{"id":877,"date":"2008-11-13T00:00:48","date_gmt":"2008-11-13T04:00:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.synapse9.com\/signals\/?p=877"},"modified":"2008-11-13T00:00:48","modified_gmt":"2008-11-13T04:00:48","slug":"when-do-we-hit-the-limits-of-the-earth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/when-do-we-hit-the-limits-of-the-earth\/","title":{"rendered":"When do we hit the limits of the earth?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Dan Bloom had commented:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201d I SEE NO WAY OUT FROM THIS MESS. but it won\u2019t hit the fan until 200, 400 more years\u2026. until then, maybe until 2100 at least, we will muddle along\u2026.and the climate tsunami, when it hits, it won\u2019t hit all at once, like in Thailand, it will hit the beach here slowly, over a period of maybe 10 to 100 years\u2026 \u201c<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Dan,<\/p>\n<p>Hi, I hate to be the one to tell you, but the point of vanishing returns for multiplying our use of the earth has been crossed.  I think we\u2019ll be very lucky to stabilize for decades.\u00a0There seem to be several environmental collapses underway, as majestically developmental but irreversible as they are.<\/p>\n<p>Our bets on what we could accomplish have completely fallen apart.  The \u2019snag\u2019 the economies ran into does not seem to be some mysterious malfunction brought about by everyone doing their expert jobs suddenly screwing up all at once, or even greed\u2026!!<\/p>\n<p>The whole purpose of the system both when it does and doesn\u2019t work is greed. \u00a0 So that&#8217;s not the event now occurring.<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">No, we ran into the earth with a bang!<\/h3>\n<p>&#8230; given the main design principle for building our system as expanding as fast as humanly possible till we run into something to stop it.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve been expanding it by a means of making everyone\u2019s decisions more and more complex and far reaching over time (called \u201cproductivity growth\u201d) and have now found ourselves running into unexpected complications.  One big one was food resources suddenly colliding with fuel resources, so both were abruptly prevented from expanding.<\/p>\n<p>That reversed so many basic plans and assumptions for growth without limits it confused the whole system of expectations for limitless growth.  I think that\u2019s the much more direct and fundamental reason why it all went haywire\u2026<\/p>\n<p>The decisions being blamed for that look foolish only on hindsight, as from foresight everyone was seen as expertly doing their jobs.  Those are like the \u2018pin pricks\u2019 or the \u2018weak spots\u2019 on the balloon.  The real cause, I think, was the pump of multiplying consumption and complexity.<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">It stumbled on the big complication of natural limits.<br \/>\nOur plan didn\u2019t work.<\/h3>\n<p>So, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s either \u201coff in the future\u201d or \u201cin our biology\u201d, it\u2019s our cognition.   Lots of things in life are highly responsive to their approaches to limits.  You can probably list lots and lots.   That we don\u2019t acknowledge the connection between multiplying money and a shrinking earth, nor speculate about where that might end, seems to be the main problem.<\/p>\n<p>Best,  Phil Henshaw<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dan Bloom had commented: \u201d I SEE NO WAY OUT FROM THIS MESS. but it won\u2019t hit the fan until 200, 400 more years\u2026. until then, maybe until 2100 at least, we will muddle along\u2026.and the climate tsunami, when it hits, it won\u2019t hit all at once, like in Thailand, it will hit the beach &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/when-do-we-hit-the-limits-of-the-earth\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">When do we hit the limits of the earth?<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crdt_document":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-877","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-mail"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/877","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=877"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/877\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=877"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=877"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=877"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}