{"id":855,"date":"2008-09-21T00:00:35","date_gmt":"2008-09-21T04:00:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.synapse9.com\/signals\/?p=855"},"modified":"2008-09-21T00:00:35","modified_gmt":"2008-09-21T04:00:35","slug":"t-boon-pickens-plans-to-take-over-the-wind","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/t-boon-pickens-plans-to-take-over-the-wind\/","title":{"rendered":"T. Boon Pickens plans to take over the wind?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Responding to an Archinect.com discussion<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Hi there! I haven\u2019t read the whole thread, but gather the question is whether we can grow our way our of the impacts of growth, using crafty wind power investments to do it. I\u2019ve been spending this week trying to find out why none of the media are aware of the vigorous discussions of why a financial meltdown happens naturally when finances need to multiply for their own stability in a world that doesn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Even JM Keynes pointed out the problem. Now our whole blithering world of back scratchers seeing it happen acts as if it\u2019s a total surprise. \u00a0I pegged the beginning of it 15 months ago, as beginning \u201cthe big crunch\u201d, when the fuel\/food price war showed the whole system\u2019s resource steering choices running into conflict with each other and fishtailing.<\/p>\n

There is a great deal of discussion of these sorts of overshoot and collapse subjects, but our professional media define the public conversation in the image of themselves, and so inadvertently shut out all the other conversations! I\u2019d be very much for using wind for power on a local community scale, like to power low water use algae farms and their petrol stills, giving some local communities a readily stored and marketable energy product. If people see how to do that, that\u2019s great.<\/p>\n

As a source of power to replace fossil fuels and grow exponentially forever, I\u2019m less sanguine\u2026. I\u2019m disturbed by the fact that I\u2019ve never seen a power line in any photo of a windmill, for example. There would be power lines all over it seems to me. Then there\u2019s the real jinx, that the whole premise is finding ways to grow out of our growth impacts, by adding new levels of multiplying impacts. Humans just don\u2019t think straight!<\/p>\n

I think it\u2019s always been multiplying our solutions that\u2019s been the main problem. Because each person sees what they\u2019re creatively doing as \u2018a solution\u2019 it never crosses their minds to ask if it might be a problem too\u2026 Ultimately I think it\u2019s that cognitive slip, not moral failings, that has us destroying the earth, exemplified by our glaring financial meltdown predicted for decades for obvious causes by numerous competent people who turned out to be right.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m not at all hopeful as everyone\u2019s solution still seems to be to promote growth and keep multiplying the scale, complexity and momentum of the problem. The odd thing is that what we\u2019re avoiding by not acknowledging the problem is the real choices we\u2019d actually have. Go figga!<\/p>\n

~ followed by a comment that Pickens funded the Swiftboat attacks on Kerry~<\/p>\n

It\u2019s real true that people, both thoughtful and thoughtless, try to multiply their \u2018impacts\u2019 on anything and everything, often dodging questions of their negative impacts. As much as I\u2019d disagree with Pickens\u2019 contributions to vindictive smear campaigns, if the Swiftboat smear was one he had anything to do with, it\u2019s a perfect example of what happens with taking any one point of view too far.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s sort of inevitable with people multiplying money, but is also connected to a basic error in how people try to make sense of the world. My main study has been of how nature is full of differently organized things, each needing a different model of description to understand them.<\/p>\n

Our culture teaches us to build one \u2018deterministic\u2019 world view, to \u201cmake sense\u201d of everything in one self-consistent way. It\u2019s useful to a point, but what seems to happen with it is the more you understand things from one view the less you understand them from every other\u2026<\/p>\n

It\u2019s kind of pernicious. You get things like both sides in the \u2018war on terror\u2019 being driven by a desire to bring law to a lawless world, and behaving lawlessly to do it\u2026 Both sides make perfect sense! When you study the \u2018lawless\u2019 behaviors of nature instead, ways to understand everything seem to turn up, and you discover that the main lawlessness of nature is things alive.<\/p>\n

Is this pointing to a basic spiritual problem underlying the energy crisis? Well I guess so, in that our spirit is demonstrably not engaged in being part of the living world but conquering it. I don\u2019t know how to talk about it in those terms really, hoping people will be able to pick out the glaring cognitive mistakes they\u2019re going along with, and reach down inside somewhere to find their own slip ups.<\/p>\n

You just can\u2019t do someone else\u2019s thinking for them, and studying the lawless behaviors of nature makes it clear that nature\u2019s way is more than everything tagging along after every other. The other way is for things to dart around on their own, having emerged on their own to learn about their world and take care of themselves.<\/p>\n

Science would prefer to have a rule for that\u2026 but seem very disappointed with the ones I found that work. There are kinds of rules for asking the right questions, for discovering how things are organized differently than you\u2019d expect. Anyone can do that, I think, come up with their own list of important questions to ask of things that don\u2019t fit any model you know. I\u2019d be curious what others would come up with.<\/p>\n

pfh<\/p>\n

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