{"id":760,"date":"2006-09-23T20:00:52","date_gmt":"2006-09-24T00:00:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.synapse9.com\/signals\/?p=760"},"modified":"2006-09-23T20:00:52","modified_gmt":"2006-09-24T00:00:52","slug":"can-intelligence-have-an-impact","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/can-intelligence-have-an-impact\/","title":{"rendered":"Can \u2018intelligence\u2019 have an impact?"},"content":{"rendered":"
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From: phil henshaw Wednesday, September 23, 2006 8:09 PM
\nTo: \u2018overpopulation@googlegroups.com\u2019
\nSubject: RE: religion and overpopulation<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

Bob,<\/p>\n

Perhaps\u00a0if you thought of each kind of intelligence as a different language<\/strong>, only capable of receiving and interpreting certain kinds of\u00a0nature\u2019s phrases,\u00a0you\u2019d get the meaning of \u2018cultural\u2019 that I intended. \u00a0There\u2019s women\u2019s intelligence, for example, often quite different from men\u2019s. \u00a0They may not be so hot on controlling things as men are, or even care about the kinds of devious schemes we dream up to bend the world to our will, but boy! wouldn\u2019t we all live impoverished lives without\u00a0their different way of seeing things,\u00a0their fundamentally different intelligence?<\/p>\n

When you look around you begin to realize that a lot of the big differences between people we see are from their having different kinds of intelligence for the world, seeing and responding to entirely different totally real things. \u00a0We can catch\u00a0glimpses of that now and then, but mostly we\u00a0are simply not aware of what we\u2019re not aware of.\u00a0 No crime in that inherently, of course, but if you\u2019re confronting mysterious problems, looking in the big grab bag of what lies beyond the narrow window of our own intelligence is a pretty good place to start<\/strong>! \u00a0Yes, what we all think of as the whole world is a small window on\u00a0a real one that seems to just get ever richer the more we discover about it.<\/p>\n

Naturally a graphic model with a back-up of physics principles, my suggestion that the everything fits a \u2018bump on a curve\u2019, takes getting used to. \u00a0I see no indication that any of the numerous things that make humans a very different kind of species changes the basics of reality though. \u00a0We\u2019re still unable to change instantaneously,\u00a0reach infinite heights or keep things from beginning\u00a0and ending. \u00a0If you accept those\u00a0three principles, you accept my model. \u00a0What will make it meaningful or useful may be different, of course.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m not so sure we\u2019ve recognized the processes that are threatening the earth. \u00a0I still don\u2019t see anyone else trying to make sense out of the enormous harm\u00a0most people\u00a0do by trying to do good without looking at its whole effect.
\nRegards,<\/p>\n

Phil Henshaw\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00b8\u00b8\u00b8\u00b8.\u00b7\u00b4 \u00af `\u00b7.\u00b8\u00b8\u00b8\u00b8
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From: bob.heinonen
\nSent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:40 PM
\nSubject: RE: religion and overpopulation
\nPhil
\nI guess I am thinking of a biological self awareness type of intelligence more than a cultural intelligence. Since no other system, that we are aware of, has had that critical ingredient, can we really assume that \u00a0\u0153symmetric\u00a0evolutionary development\u00a0processes \u009d apply to humans. After all, we have 1) recognized and defined the processes and, 2) are trying \u00a6.right here \u00a6.to overcome them for humanity.
\nBob Heinonen
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From: phil henshaw
\nSent: Wednesday, September 21, 2006 11:37 PM
\nTo: \u2018overpopulation@googlegroups.com\u2019
\nSubject: RE: religion and overpopulation
\nBob,
\nWell that\u2019s the problem, it sure *seems* like intelligence is some definite benefit, but when you ponder the situation I find that what we take for intelligence applies only to a particular context. It\u2019s different in every culture,\u00a0and we don\u2019t know who\u2019s going to be able to pick up our form of intelligence, and many don\u2019t seem able to. \u00a0People have different intelligence for different things, it\u2019s culture based, like another level of language. \u00a0The Chinese, for example, just\u00a0developed\u00a0the knack for economic \u2018intelligence\u2019 very recently, despite evidently having considerable native intelligence all along, just like all the people in the currently failing societies do too.<\/p>\n

One of the things I\u2019ve had the most fun with in life is stretching my intellect to be able to understand quite a lot about how natural systems work, only to find that I had gone so far outside the common culture of ideas to do it, and that my knowledge is of almost no use in a land in desperate need of it. \u00a0It\u2019s really strange, for example, that science has almost nothing whatever to say about\u00a0what growth is or what it\u2019s for.\u00a0 Growth is primarily for giving birth to things, but it runs itself, and we just don\u2019t study things that run themselves\u2026 science only studies how things\u00a0are controlled. \u00a0Studying control\u00a0it the key motive, power and great failing of our intellect. \u00a0Things of nature that are not controlled are virtually invisible to us.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s why I suggest people closely watch growth, because growth is a reliable tell-tale sign of an autonomous organism\u00a0going through an unstable creative development process.\u00a0 You watch that little up tick pulse of events to see what all is part of that flow. \u00a0It produces something like great stories at first, but then when you get comfortable with things all around you being half alive and acting as individuals, nature\u00a0ends up looking much more natural than before, and you find more interesting things to do.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s true that what\u2019s happening to mankind\u00a0right now is\u00a0unprecedented, and for that we get both a great show and a great responsibility. \u00a0Change is always unprecedented, of course, because nature is highly creative.\u00a0 This is the only time, however,\u00a0mankind has gone through the turning point of a growth process\u00a0completely transforming our existence in only\u00a0600 years!\u00a0 The turning point is where the organizational steps\u00a0switch from \u2018leaving home\u2019 to \u2018heading home\u2019, from increasing to decreasing instability. \u00a0The solid global consensus professional plan is to prevent that at all costs. \u00a0If we fail to achieve that in a non-destructive way, my opinion is that we\u2019re being born as a new species. \u00a0It seems so very unlikely, both because it\u2019s such a strange idea, and because the financial growth imperative is extremely well defended and\u00a0the most dangerous limit, multiplying confusion, seems to be developing quickly.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve seen a transformative path to the insight that would allow us to \u2018not blow it\u2019 for some time, but it runs into huge natural defensive barriers for the old ways of thinking as well as the core problem, that we can\u2019t even wonder about what we can\u2019t see.\u00a0 Every true leap in logic is all heart, of course. \u00a0Is it possible that people have good hearts? \u00a0There certainly are a lot of signs of\u00a0a new enlightenment chasing after old fears. One I like to point out is that we still may complain about \u2018the rich\u2019 and be legitimately worried that they have no idea what their power is good for, but actually, they\u2019re mostly nice people. \u00a0There used to be real cruel overlords on top of every pile of money, but we\u2019ve largely evolved beyond that.\u00a0 Now, if we only knew what to do!<\/p>\n

Phil Henshaw\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00b8\u00b8\u00b8\u00b8.\u00b7\u00b4 \u00af `\u00b7.\u00b8\u00b8\u00b8\u00b8
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\nFrom: bob.heinonen
\nSent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:54 AM
\nTo: \u2018overpopulation@googlegroups.com\u2019
\nSubject: RE: religion and overpopulation
\nPhil,
\nI hear what you are saying. But isn \u2122t there one ingredient that all those system don \u2122t have that we do have \u00a6intelligence. Doesn\u2019t intelligence have an impact on the progression of growth, climax, disordering & decay? Maybe that is an unfair question since we know of no prior situation.<\/p>\n

Can we make a leap in logic that says that intelligence can have an impact on the \u00a0\u0153symmetric\u00a0evolutionary development\u00a0processes \u009d? And that we as a group may be at least a part of the intelligence that has that impact?<\/p>\n

Bob Heinonen<\/p>\n

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From: phil henshaw Wednesday, September 23, 2006 8:09 PM To: \u2018overpopulation@googlegroups.com\u2019 Subject: RE: religion and overpopulation Bob, Perhaps\u00a0if you thought of each kind of intelligence as a different language, only capable of receiving and interpreting certain kinds of\u00a0nature\u2019s phrases,\u00a0you\u2019d get the meaning of \u2018cultural\u2019 that I intended. \u00a0There\u2019s women\u2019s intelligence, for example, often quite different … Continue reading Can \u2018intelligence\u2019 have an impact?<\/span> →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crdt_document":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-760","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-mail"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/760","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=760"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/760\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=760"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=760"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/synapse9.com\/signals\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=760"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}