On: ClimateConcern@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:30 PM<\/p>\n
Subject: Re: [CCG] Sources: what are the most unbiased sources for climate info??<\/p>\n
Richard Foy had replied to my comment saying:
\nIn my opinion this is the best post I have seen in a long time.
\nRichard<\/p><\/blockquote>\nThank’s Richard!<\/p>\n
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\nI had written 6\/29\/2009:<\/p>\nI think asking for facts to answer whether the facts we\u2019re getting are reliable is sort of an unreliable approach.\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0It\u2019s better to ask what can we know for sure when we don\u2019t know much and our facts seem unreliable.<\/p>\n
I think what\u2019s going to change the thrust of the science will be realizing we\u2019ve been asking the wrong question all along.\u00a0\u00a0 There are also a variety of emerging discoveries in the physics and behavior of the climate system, but that\u2019s not the big one.\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0I see extensive misunderstanding of the basic complex system issues.<\/p>\n
We represent systems composed of learning parts using controlled operators on controlled variables, for example. \u00a0Part of what that does is point us to the wrong questions.<\/p>\n
The real question is not how we can eliminate the human drivers of climate change as we continue compound economic growth.\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0The real question is what systems will be destabilized to put an end to economic growth.\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0All persistent growth systems come to an end by destabilizing something, ranging from a small cybernetic switch to whole system collapse.<\/p>\n
We\u2019re not asking what will do that for the economies yet.\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0At the moment given the strong global consensus to never end growth it seems that catastrophic collapse of the economic system as a whole along with many ecologies is where we\u2019re headed.<\/p>\n
We pay so remarkably little attention to the design and development of natural systems we seem to have no clue how to even ask appropriate answerable questions about them.<\/p>\n
Phil Henshaw \u00b8\u00b8\u00b8\u00b8.\u2022\u00b4 \u00af `\u2022.\u00b8\u00b8\u00b8<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
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On: ClimateConcern@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [CCG] Sources: what are the most unbiased sources for climate info?? Richard Foy had replied to my comment saying: In my opinion this is the best post I have seen in a long time. Richard Thank’s Richard! \u2013 I had written 6\/29\/2009: I think … Continue reading Climate Concern – do facts show the bias?<\/span>