Everyone feels it in the making!

On a ClimateConcernGroup thread, “Can 350.org save the world?

In response to Maria Guzman’s:

Admirable efforts, but of dubious efficacy. Nothing is likely to make a real difference until everyone in the industrial societies personally feels the impact of a disaster in the making. How long this will take is hard to predict.

http://tinyurl.com/pobspv   Maria Guzman

Maria,
Yes, that seems more and more likely, if even then.   I think what will make people personally feel the problem is feeling that we have all been entirely misled on the limits of our current path.   We’ve been misled about the real limits of growth.  We can now it’s for all parts of the system to come into conflict with each other.

We’ve been misled about the real limits of economic growth,
all the parts of the system coming into conflict with each other.

Almost anyone who logically thinks about a system of independently growing things in a confined space can see and make sense of that.   It’s more the scientists who can’t (1).    Continue reading Everyone feels it in the making!

Capitalism Plus Plus?

On a 5/14 Global Foresight thread Wolfgang Spendel had said:

Phil,
I call it Capitalism Plus. The old rules don’t work anymore. Many of multiple persuasions are in denial about the lack of utlility for business as usual. Given the load on the planet and the desire for many to improve their standard of living we have to change how we do things. Change won’t be easy, since those that have made out well by the old rules will fight change. The problem becomes even more difficult because the new rules will be written as we go (pleasant or not).

Are we going through the beginning of birthing pains or death pains. I hope and will work for birthing. Pain there will be.
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When organisms switch from immature growth to maturing their strengths and finding roles in new environments.

Wolfgang,

Yes, I agree.  But would you go for “Capitalism Plus Plus” maybe??

The natural systems physics points clearly to “birthing pains” as a time when new beginnings emerge, as “the main event” at the end of compound growth.  IF people were to recognize that the end of compound growth is always *the beginning* of what we’d call adult “life” some interest might develop.   Continue reading Capitalism Plus Plus?