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Phil
Henshaw -Blog Reading Nature’s Signals Research archive Synapse9.com,
some important systems principles highlighted
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...and
then also that every new situation would seem to require 'downloading' new
software from someplace... |
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Maybe
the problem with determinism is the needed rules for the software having to
be much more complex than the hardware. |
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@aleksj -Related
to fall off in use of words "growth" and "complex"? See
Google ngram. |
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So
science can't have determined all causes are external, if internal causes
occur but information on how is naturally hidden from our view. |
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You
see organisms, storms, cultures, technologies, movements, etc, animated by
bursts of change internally, for no apparent outside cause. |
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An
important observation is how clearly the way nature organizes things remains
hidden inside the things she organizes, out of our view. |
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@STWR_ Sure,
speculation can drive up prices... but the actionable cause is they only can
when demand exceeds supply.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves… |
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@Revkin - Brooks'
blames our "inability to think about the economy in a realistic
way"...the irony is EVERYONE else is saying that too!! ;-) |
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@politifact What's
the truth to the endlessly repeated claim that how we've changed the earth
only expands our potential for more growth? |
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...
it's our social belief and value systems that substitute for nature, when
based on the social responses we get not curiosity and reason. |
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Is
it natural for people to say nature works so differently than it does? Yes,
quite. It's more effort to base ideas on what you observe. |
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That
systems in nature work that way, bursting in scale from a seed, to survive
only by stopping, can't have been studied by our ancestors. |
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So,
at the end of the run for "Be fruitful and multiply." the practice
that was so fruitful becomes completely unmanageable, unless stopped. |
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So
it's really investors (us) that demand to have regulators, banks, science
& markets multiply our investments till becoming unmanageable. |
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The
joke is that why democracies are failing is the same reason dictatorships are
too, ever growing solutions that create hopeless problems. |
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So
the real reason democracy is failing is that finance multiplied solutions
into completely unmanageable problems. |
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Planting
your seed to keep multiplying your seed, the way finance works, brings exeptional bounty sure to end in exceptional tragedy. |
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The
real fault isn't with regulators or banks, but mad investors demanding a
stability for ever multiplying returns that won't go bankrupt. |
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It's
not the buildings that sustained us before making us unsustainable now. It's
our scale, and money driving it to increase ever faster. |
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That's
the escape, from seeing our cultures as reality and keeping the old rules as
we changed the earth, bring in new meaning from outside. |
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So..
it really is NOT a problem of fulfilling our high cultural values, but
looking outside our cultures for guidance on new higher values. |
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Our
cultures and theories for growth formed when we were tiny and the earth
seemed infinite, now the earth's reality reversed but not ours. |
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Very
curious denial, of clearly shrinking resources and growing world demand, fiduciaries
all agree our best interest is in rapid growth. |
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Is
the problem of investors today getting returns on the seeds they plant, to
then plant more, or managing the explosions of consequences? |
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...
and in the news, little but bombs, disasters and crises, while the explosions
of new relationships in nature and culture go ignored. |
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...instead,
having missed the turn we're still planting our seed to multiply our seeds
till our entire crop wilts, ...the bitter end again. |
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Like,
if finding a way to comfortably end growth was in the 1910 plan for our
national parks, the good turning point would have been ~1950. |
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Going
till you get to the end of the road often means you missed your turn... |
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@Revkin Causality at
stake?? If you read science as saying nature follows our formulas, caisality never even had a place, only prediction. |
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Asking
"If prediction isn't causation, what is??" can be a VERY good
question, giving much more useful answers, like choices along the way. |
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As
economies require profit for resilience or growth, warriors would see an
endless use for growth as preparing for the wars it leads to. |
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The
Bible displays our most ancient of recorded world views, authoritarian in its
foundation, no hint of life as an ecology of partnerships. |
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Our
authoritarian approach to life could come from "be fruitful and
multiply" naturally causing mortal environmental conflict at its limit. |
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It's
the obvious connection between money and nature, that we use money to request
service from people using nature, still being overlooked. |
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Yes,
it also means that what you put in the plastic bag would typically have over
1000 times the impact as the plastic of the bag. |
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e.g.
As SEA proves energy use largely comes from human services, not technology,
our plans need total rethinking.synapse9.com/SEA |
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So,
prospering by using up life's necessities ever faster is "OK", if
as it seems, it doesn't alter your social relationships. |
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So,
why would dramatic and easily confirmed facts get no response? In our culture
the physical world, by itself, has no social meaning. |
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So,
if we use money to measure "externalities", i.e. providing physical
goods and services, what then is the limit of adding money by %'s ?? |
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The
choice is to find how the images in our minds are unlike the world we live
in, telling concepts and theories from partnerships in life. |
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Using
profits to multiply demand till the system collapses... is optional. |
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Honoring
the ever growing demands of money pushes life to madness, only repeating our
ancient fall from grace. It's a total waste of time. |
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Pushing
growing demand till your world collapses is a betrayal of one's maker, one's
ancestors, ones own whole history of creative
struggle. |
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The
curious problem with pushing financial demands to the collapse of a finance
system, again and again, is it serves nothing but madness. |
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Most
struggle to find concepts for how nature works eventful things so simply, and
scientists to find anything eventful in their concepts. |
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...but
why doesn't it get discussed that the need to deliver growing returns from
shrinking recourses blocks every real solution?? |
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Systems
that end in crises get there by having a pump of growing demands in the loop,
and are relieved by turning it down or off. |
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With
all these mounting crises one would think people would take an interest in
what systems naturally end in crisis and their relief. |
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@Revkin @grist There is also large collateral damage from people
still not discussing of individual emerging systems that make life lively. |
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So,
that would mean "Question your knowledge" isn't enough, and needs
to start with "Question your culture". |
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So,
it might seem our culture is based on our knowledge, but looking around, only
the reverse would put us in such strange deep trouble. |
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@@Revkin ... So that's
confirming with a reasonable cause the decade scale cycle I said would lead
to this wave of denialism, ~20 years ago. |
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So
yes, it seems something surely needs to be cut, but can we tell which of
natures parts is our umbilical cord and which is our throat? |
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Because
forming a circle of relationships is the first definite step if new identity,
a structure required for and capable of growth. |
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It's
the circles of relationships in nature you watch for, by how they show their
own connected behaviors, forming whole individual systems. |
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Ever
growing expectations are unreal, that's all. It makes being faithful to them
the problem, not the solution. |
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The
brains in finance are just dropping the ball, not even studying what causes
their expectation to inflate and assure cascading collapse. |
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People
think Keynes was an total optimist, willing to bet on it. Actually he faced
the darkness, and saw through it.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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It's
just incorrect to equate "making money" by growing your own drain
of credit from other things, with "making wealth" for the economy. |
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It
comes from thinking of nature as made for our social rules, and planting seed
only to multiply the seed, as if nature could handle it. |
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Finance
is in such trouble from traders trading for their own accounts, putting money
in to take ever more out, that can't last naturally. |
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Why
money pumps things up to just drain them dry, at the limit the still growing
savings of some comes from draining the savings of others. |
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Does
reaching for infinity become practical, by just committing to keep up with
the ever bigger steps till they're out of reach? |
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When
a system is already overbuilt, it's a still greater waste to continue
overbuilding it. So when do we start asking how rather than why? |
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Their
hiding place? In plain sight, never in our information but only internal to
their own circles of organization, hidden from our view. |
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And
science has **not even begun** to study the systems of nature that so handily
take care of themselves,... no clue where they are even. |
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So,
it seems the conceptual realities are irresolvable, even hard to make any
sense of, having found no grip on the physical ones yet. |
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The
bond markets keep telling us what to do so they can have systematically
multiplying savings, and the intellectuals keep wondering why. |
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It's
so easy to catch yourself blaming the surfer for the wave, like the ultra
rich for leading a society with dreams so certain to fail. |
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@@cjeder Well,
except the usual effect of efficiency is increasing energy uses 2.5 times the
amount of saved... making each more profitable. |
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So,
my natural systems science locates nature's hidden circles for studying their
emerging behaviors, lights shining into that blind spot. |
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Or,
is nature is better seen as a "wicked gossip", keeping her secrets
to the circles that invent them so well, we're just quite unaware? |
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@cjeder but...
IF you add the 8000btu/$ of human services needed to operate the airline and
the cars, both should go up more than 100%. |
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Is
it a self-betrayal?? ...to avoid discussing what practical ways exist to stop
money from piling up, uncontrollably, to topple our world? |
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It's
not our social values causing nature trouble and to misbehave, as she listens
ONLY to our procedures, we may not see, and nothing else. |
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@donmacca @guardian @pdenlinger ... Of course, Google's GHG no. will be off from reality by a scale of
5 due to method.synapse9.com/SEA |
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It
would be so nice if nature could understand the language of our social
policies, and didn't only listen when we're speaking hers. |
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@Revkin @TreeHugger The Onion misses the deeper reason. Growth and
climate change have to keep accelerating to pay for slowing them down! |
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@ezraklein What
the economy needs is not to be "goosed" again, nor to "let it
rip". Those are just beating up on an very overworked world. |
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@postgrowth @adbusters @donmacca Yes, the wave is ready to break, but the grass roots still aren't on
it! Nature isn't run by social policy. |
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@Revkin Isn't the real
answer that slowing down radiation speeds up convection EVERYWHERE?? Let's
teach people to think scientifically! |
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Free
will isn't of much use without clear vision, is it. But we just don't yet see
our habit of adding %'s as what's exploding our
planet. |
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The
other "Why??" is less simple. Why no one notices is that most see
nature as behaving according to our culture wars, and not by herself. |
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The
useful full answer to "Why??" is simple. Why it gets bigger and
changing faster than we can manage is our always adding to it by %'s. |
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Money
takes over our lives because it's designed to; to use its control to add to
its control, by %'s forever, men out planting their
seeds! |
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Hard
science in the media? When in doubt, just hold the social status of the noise
makers responsible for all natural events. |
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@postgrowth Perhaps
the much stronger force of social isolation due to growth is social networks
forming their own realities in isolation. |
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@GreatConvergnce @genesharpfilm .. One can't start a revolution without truth.
Without limits to money we're just apologists and stooges. |
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@postgrowth "Positive
Money" still missing **the one thing** that has to change, the endless
growth rule of investment.positivemoney.org.uk/take-action/sp… |
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@EarthUnSummit12 @wecanada Why does every "earth summit" seem to
recommit us to paying for externalities with multiplying externalities??? |
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@sergirovira @felixdodds - The future IS an achievement, and "S"
curves of development reflect the nature of its construction, not numbers. |
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Nature
does love our making her pregnant, but she has us pay quite dearly for doing
it more and more, while never budgeting for child care. |
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What
would float the jobs is only one thing, for the wealthy to spend money to
give people earnings, not lend it to raise their debts. |
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A
matter of scale, the men planting their seed in nature, for a growing harvest
of planting ever more seed, till nature just can't take it. |
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@postgrowth Alternative
economies are great niche solutions but won't fix a money system running
amuck... you need Keynes' lasting solution. |
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@RBReich -
But if what hurt the middle class is "the earth is full", how to
slow down not speeding up is what'll help.synapse9.com/signals |
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Maybe...
"equal time" should just apply to personal expression, and applied
to sound science treats science as just opinion, not discovery. |
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S.O.S.
S.O.S. The ship will sink if the wealthy don't spend enough money to
permanently relieve everyone of excess debt. Hoarding adds up. |
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@Revkin @chrishughes @jumoconnect @GOOD - but what is slowing pace of change is NOT getting
the word out, but confusion & misdirection. |
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@ScienceChanges Development
begins with a burst of new relationships, processes scaling up to satisfy the
energy continuity of development. |
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So
you really wonder how our culture doesn't notice the little explosions of new
relationships at the start of everything that happens. |
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Little
bang theory... where it all begins! Every beginning built with a little burst
of new relationships. |
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To
have energy continuity requires process continuity, and innovation to be a
little bang of construction at the beginning of all events. |
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Change
isn't pressure or noise, but needs "mutation" to be a construction
process, a burst of new relationships emerging, innovation. |
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@postgrowth yes,
EF is a well constructed measure, but a small part of total demand, like
missing ever growing demands on our talents too. |
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@aleksj Well,
what's replacing commuting with communicating also splits the economy into
unequal upward and downwardly mobile parts!! |
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@postgrowth @paulgilding @Freemoneyday ...but the ONLY effective anti shopping campaign is
an anti earning campaign, at ~8000btu/$GDP! |
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Only
one first time for anything,... unless you consider everything to be a first
time for everything, life as information or a process! |
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Perception
is a stream of snap judgments, rarely pausing to ask dumb questions, like why
does giving money to money no longer pays us back. |
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@STWR_ In 5 min on the
US debt, left out is the dilemma that paying debt doesn't produce spending,
but debt upon debt to bankrupt the world. |
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..the
main problem with natural systems, of course, is how they work inside is
quite hidden from view, only hinted by external behavior, |
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So,
we keep trying to fix our worlds of social relations, with no idea how or why
our worlds of physical systems around us keep changing. |
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So,
we keep trying to fix our social concept worlds, paying no attention at all
to how and why the physical one is changing. |
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What
we see in our minds is our own world of internal social relationships, that
we confuse with the ones our world works or fails by. |
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@postgrowth -
fine personal lives, but "simple life" won't alter "critical
breakdowns in world systems". Want to live well in a corpse? |
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Common
finding?... my "How natural system bankruptcy works" & Colin
Campbell's "Seneca effect" synapse9.com/signals/2011/0…cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2011/08/seneca… |
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@TEEB4ME Circular
economy MUST include circular money - concept J.M. Keynes, Chapter 16, The
General Theory -synapse9.com/ref/KeynesGenT… |
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Engineers
err on the side of caution when taking on greater challenges, but for
economists caution is to add them by %'s... |
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With
our having such an ethic of kindness, it's evidently our ignorance that makes
us behave so extraordinarily cruel. |
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At
the limits of healthy growth stronger parts can keep growing by consuming the
economic resources of the weak, even as the total shrinks. |
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Why
does economic growth become cannibalistic? It's our rules for managing our
savings, the same as for cancer, only invest to expand. |
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Why
does economic growth become cannibalistic? It's our rules for using money to
make money. They ask investment managers to do it. |
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Why
does economic growth become cannibalistic at its limits? The strong then can
only grow by consuming the (market share of the) weak. |
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@climate_diplo @KHayhoe ..."How to talk to climate skeptics"? Boy,
I wish I could get past the confused fixations of climate believers! |
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#sustdev and 'green design' equally
neglect the large and diverse resource demands made by ANY spending of money.synapse9.com/SEA |
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@donmacca Maclurcan
offers nice images, yes, but should work with me to get them to work in
nature. Nature doesn't follow social policy... |
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@pwjohnson @EarthUnSummit12 @Revkin Both #sustdev and "green economy" ignore the outsourced impacts of money,
so not much different at all. |
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#irene 8:00AM No branches down anywhere
in Ft Tryon park, but one, oddly broken in 8 pieces as if smashed to bits by
force. |
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Two
great waves of immigration, one when finding room & ways to grow, the
other as growth created conflicts, different.synapse9.com/issues/Immigra… |
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If
it seems the "social cost of CO2" is closer to $900/ton, the real
cost per $GDP is then $0.41 scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id… synapse9.com/SEA |
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@EarthUnSummit12 @Revkin @pwjohnson - #sustainable is false really, reality SO different, just reducing
visible impacts to grow hidden ones. |
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@EarthUnSummit12 @Revkin @pwjohnson - #susdev OK except 90% is usual devl. with new name
& old outsourced energy use.synapse9.com/SEA/ |
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@Revkin ..but Hansen is
still proposing we pay for the climate mitigation by consuming all other
economic resources ever faster...! |
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Using
money to just squeeze the world for more money, isn't nurturing the earth.
It's our men, obsessed with empty symbols and going mad. |
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It's
an internal choice to respond, not a rule or external force. Is that what's
confusing? A time to take in and a time to release it... |
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It's
an investment system that reinvests its profits as it becomes over-investing,
like we are... that drives itself into total bankruptcy. |
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0ne
thing any development system in nature needs to do is reinvest it's profits
to grow and divest them to mature and survive. |
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I
solved the physics problem 30 years ago, to find Keynes had solved it 50
years before me, what nature needs us to do at growth limits. |
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@Revkin We'd respond as
if to a hurricane, if we spent 1/10 the effort on the changing rates of using
and finding affordable resources. |
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@donmacca Economies
are only slightly responsive to social policy, and not if money opposes. It
ALL rests on relieving money's need to grow |
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If
the deep problem is world resource demand increasing faster than supply... to
restore growing demand to solve it will just make it worse! |
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Our
most depleted resource is our ability to find more resources to deplete, long
just assumed infinite, but actually not hard to check. |
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@TEEB4ME How about
someone studying how economies work as ecologies?????? That's the real
subject we owe 5000 years of back homework on. |
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@TEEB4ME ..Please, When
growth becomes unprofitable for the whole, every part is at real risk. To
divest not invest profits saves the day. |
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Keynes
first talked about the obvious solution for 20 years, then Boulding for 40,
then me for 30+. It's still the one way systems survive. |
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A
friend says I should find a cartoonist or animator to help me illustrate the
living world I see. |
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As
the world gets more complex and less manageable it needs more resources, and
progressive depletion allows less.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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Is
the film in the camera the environment seen in the picture? Does it work by
the relationships observers see, as most science relies on? |
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Does
the organization of how things work ever change from anywhere other than the
inside, largely out of view largely by observers? |
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Looking
at the world, do the things you see work by the relationships YOU see?... or
does each have a world with a heart beat of its
own? |
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Nature
thought a little birthday party would be nice, a way to begin. But nobody
came. So she just relaxed and watched the grass grow. |
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Say
YES to great symbolic statements...Tell Obama to Say NO to Tar Sands. Pls RT act.350.org/sign/tar-sands/ ...and go much further yourself. |
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It's
a natural system bankruptcy, EROI < 1, ever growing demand exceeding
supply, shedding failing parts til it weakens the
whole like Rome. |
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We
finally overcame nature, the dumb way... but by rejecting her from our social
realities, a harrowing partner rejection to come. |
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Our
words became ungrounded and lost their real meanings because of our cultural
choice to not accept nature in our social realities. |
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Even
the IPCC calls for ever growing resource depletion to pay for climate
mitigation... Yea, that'll work great! natural system bankruptcy |
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@donmacca Not
one confronts needing to end ever growing profits. The physical world
requires, the social world denies.synapse9.com/signals |
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@postgrowth -
It's wrong to say "We are ecological accountants" like EF does,
overlooking outsourced impacts of money.synapse9.com/SEA |
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I
think the only reasonable conclusion is that somehow all our metaphors got
broke, and just don't connect anymore. |
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@Revkin Rick Perry may
be mad... just as divorced from reality as our world plan to sustain
prosperity with ever faster resource depletion. |
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Maybe
it's that so many people are trying to get a word in edgewise, practically
one actually gets a chance to say anything... |
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Sparks
originate opportunistically, storms originate opportunistically, phase
changes originate opportunistically... |
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How
come learning broke down, and everyone became an ego universalist??? |
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It
seems there needs to be an opportunistic event for beginning any
deterministic process. |
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In
nature, growth is NOT a number on a sliding scale. It's a construction
project for making something lasting and succeeds, or it fails. |
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Finding
someone else's pocket to pick doesn't tell you why everyone is getting so
desperate to find someone else's pocket to pick... |
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I
might not have noticed... but for being offended by how men keep screwing
nature just to create bigger screw guns, with no other purpose. |
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Money
is actually pumped from the earth, in the form of delivered goods and
services, and *that's* why it can't keep multiplying any more. |
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"More"
is a terrible purpose to keep for centuries, even "saving lives"
then creates diseases, bad genes & incompetence nature wouldn't. |
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@aleksj But
what if information is now interpreted from invented social realities, ever
more divorced from the common complex real world. |
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Look
at the world consensus economic policy, more growth to use depleting
resources and create externalities to not respond to ever faster. |
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277 |
Go
outside your familiar network... |
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276 |
It
seems an information age naturally leaves you trying to run the world with
culture wars, each viewing it from its own reality. |
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275 |
It's
also progress that exhausts *affordable* resources ever faster... so high
overhead economies that get hit hardest. |
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274 |
Whose
job is that anyway, dealing with a world psychosis... like belief in
prosperity assured by using up shrinking resources ever faster? |
|
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273 |
Hunter/gatherers
took from nature to use and work on at home, but then some used their takes
to only multiply, and stopped bringing it home. |
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272 |
In
real science, theory is the question, and the study of nature is always the
answer. |
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271 |
@postgrowth @Freemoneyday @VenessaMiemis 13 books... that still don't fix the way we use
money to grow investments...synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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270 |
@postgrowth @degrowth "co-creating no growth world" also adds to
wonder about why economic "crazies" seem ALL around.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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269 |
@STWR_ @yesmagazine "Resilient Economy" adds to wonder about
why economic "crazies" seem ALL around.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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268 |
Even
life saving is limited by promoting genes and incompetence nature would have
eliminated, needing a greater purpose than just "more". |
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267 |
Growth
always continues till it eliminates the conditions for growth, a change in
rules like your birth getting you evicted from the womb. |
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266 |
Now...
if anyone would connect that with our driving money the opposite way.. we'd
be getting places. thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/0… |
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265 |
Arctic
sea ice trend.. very graphically displayed...thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/0… |
|
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264 |
Why
do politicians all agree on our wasting our effort getting back to using
things up ever faster to remain prosperous?? Won't work. |
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263 |
You
know, like some days it's just time to listen to your own body, as it's got
things to say to you? The earth's our body, listen. |
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262 |
Natural
systems grow in their own bubbles, as self-defined networks growing from a
seed, emerging in a burst of self-organization. |
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261 |
When
it comes down to it, the people who have difficulty acknowledging error are
the ones who are just not curious about the real world. |
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260 |
What
kills confidence more than anything else is endless over-investment,
squeezing everyone's margins to a common point of disillusionment. |
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259 |
...and
while not finding any resting place offering growth, still fooling both
computer and man that hopes to find the world is infinite. |
|
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258 |
Are
wild daily gyrations "the Twitter Effect" with the world's market
chasers and followers flocking like birds finding no place to land? |
|
|
257 |
Managing
for growth results in taking on more complex tasks till the system doing it
becomes unmanageable, so manage for response instead. |
|
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256 |
A
system of ever growing complexity now naturally exceeding the limits of its
own self regulation, as clearly described in 1979. |
|
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255 |
Market
players driving turmoil to profit from it, not to share in what's profitable
to others? Spoiling the game fun at first, then ugly. |
|
|
254 |
"I'll
Be Gone / You'll Be Gone" is financial manipulation, that naturally
grows ever faster when that's what profitable investment is left. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
253 |
The
social contract becomes one sided, money goes into things, but only with
guarantees to take more out, till it breaks the social order. |
|
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252 |
Investing
money into things to take more out first stimulates then overtakes and
destroys them. An infinite thing chasing a finite one. |
|
|
251 |
The
real cause is accumulated money accumulating more and more, bankrupting the
cash economy. It irreversible when the bars begin to close. |
|
|
250 |
So,
one real way to fix the drain of money from the cash economy into finance is
to print as much as 30 years of our wages to hand out. ;-) |
|
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249 |
What's
the real difference between adding by units and adding in %'s? For flows in nature one can be a steady state, and
the other can't. |
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248 |
@EarthUnSummit12 @artate - and... ALL our institutions designed to remain
"stable" by multiplying in scale forever too... odd design, no? |
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247 |
Really
Phil, you're forgetting the true reality is the epicycles for our theory, not
the things of nature, if you know what's good for you. |
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246 |
@aleksj Trader's
"hands on faces" seems GD endless! Must be the world in our brains
isn't found in reality... synapse9.com/signals |
|
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245 |
"Reading
Nature's Signals" for learning how to read the individual behaviors of
the living systems of nature.google.com/reader/view/fe… |
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|
244 |
We
built the fixed design of our society around taking two cookies from nature
for every one we took before, like a mindless 2 year old. |
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|
243 |
The
real crisis is how people think nature uses their own social network's
theory, so can't read what her signals mean!synapse9.com/signals |
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242 |
A
long infantile habit of taking two cookies for every one you took before...
naturally leads to this (usual tragic bedlam). |
|
|
241 |
With
finance designed for everyone to take over the world at once, many find
hoarding cash is their last refuge, and the world seizes up... |
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|
240 |
Keynes
actually predicted this very kind of natural end-of-growth crisis, ever
growing savings getting shrinking returnssynapse9.com/blog/2010/04/0… |
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236 |
Enough
spending by those with excess savings averts world default when growth
becomes unprofitable. (Keynes Chapter 16)synapse9.com/ref/KeynesGenT… |
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235 |
If
enough spending by those with excess savings would both end growth and avert
world default on it as debt, then what's their motive??? |
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237 |
How
did science not notice, that all the systems we see developing and operated
from the inside, aren't controlled by forces from outside??? |
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234 |
The
catch for mainstream science, for example, is how nature operates in cells
working internally, so not ruled by what observers can see. |
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233 |
I
am looking, but just don't find any stream of western culture that doesn't
treat nature as its own theory... and they're all different. |
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232 |
@Revkin Friedman's
"5 eroded pillars" (of perpetual growth), omits the need for
rapidly depleting resources and the conflicts that causes. |
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231 |
Owning
an ever growing share, of an ever more fictional pie, your value is still
what you can sell it for, right?? But leads to panic... |
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230 |
The
impression is our whole intellectual culture is profoundly blind or
dishonest... as nearly everyone's theories treat nature as a theory. |
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229 |
In
the end, money IS reality, no financial system is stable if those with
savings just squeezed it for more, and don’t spend their earnings. |
317 Copied 27 Aug 2011
4:00PM
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329 |
@EarthUnSummit12 @Revkin @pwjohnson - #susdev OK except 90% is usual devl.
with new name & old outsourced energy use.synapse9.com/SEA/ |
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328 |
@Revkin ..but Hansen is still proposing we pay for the climate
mitigation by consuming all other economic resources ever faster...! |
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327 |
Using
money to just squeeze the world for more money, isn't nurturing the earth.
It's our men, obsessed with empty symbols and going mad. |
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326 |
It's an internal choice to respond,
not a rule or external force. Is that what's confusing? A time to take in and
a time to release it... |
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325 |
It's an investment system that
reinvests its profits as it becomes over-investing, like we are... that
drives itself into total bankruptcy. |
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324 |
0ne thing any development system in
nature needs to do is reinvest it's profits to grow and divest them to mature
and survive. |
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323 |
I
solved the physics problem 30 years ago, to find Keynes had solved it 50
years before me, what nature needs us to do at growth limits. |
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322 |
@Revkin We'd respond as if to a hurricane, if we spent 1/10
the effort on the changing rates of using and finding affordable resources. |
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321 |
@donmacca Economies are only slightly responsive
to social policy, and not if money opposes. It ALL rests on relieving money's
need to grow |
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320 |
If the deep problem is world
resource demand increasing faster than supply... to restore growing demand to
solve it will just make it worse! |
|
|
319 |
Our most depleted resource is our
ability to find more resources to deplete, long just assumed infinite, but
actually not hard to check. |
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318 |
@TEEB4ME How about someone studying how economies work as
ecologies?????? That's the real subject we owe 5000 years of back homework
on. |
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317 |
@TEEB4ME ..Please, When growth becomes unprofitable
for the whole, every part is at real risk. To divest not invest profits saves
the day. |
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316 |
Keynes
first talked about the obvious solution for 20 years, then Boulding for 40,
then me for 30+. It's still the one way systems survive. |
|
|
315 |
A
friend says I should find a cartoonist or animator to help me illustrate the
living world I see. |
|
|
314 |
As the world gets more complex and
less manageable it needs more resources, and progressive depletion allows less.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
|
|
313 |
Is the film in the camera the
environment seen in the picture? Does it work by the relationships observers see,
as most science relies on? |
|
|
312 |
Does the organization of how things
work ever change from anywhere other than the inside, largely out of view
largely by observers? |
|
|
311 |
Looking at the world, do the things
you see work by the relationships YOU see?... or does each have a world with
a heartbeat of its own? |
|
|
310 |
Nature
thought a little birthday party would be nice, a way to begin. But nobody
came. So she just relaxed and watched the grass grow. |
|
|
309 |
Say
YES to great symbolic statements...Tell Obama to Say NO to Tar Sands. Pls RT act.350.org/sign/tar-sands/ ...and go much further yourself. |
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|
308 |
It's a natural system bankruptcy,
EROI < 1, ever growing demand exceeding supply, shedding failing parts til it weakens the whole like Rome. |
|
|
307 |
We
finally overcame nature, the dumb way... but by rejecting her from our social
realities, a harrowing partner rejection to come. |
|
|
306 |
Our words became ungrounded and
lost their real meanings because of our cultural choice to not accept nature
in our social realities. |
|
|
305 |
Even the IPCC calls for ever
growing resource depletion to pay for climate mitigation... Yea, that'll work
great! natural system bankruptcy |
|
|
304 |
@donmacca Not one confronts needing to end ever growing profits.
The physical world requires, the social world denies.synapse9.com/signals |
|
|
303 |
@postgrowth - It's wrong to say "We are ecological
accountants" like EF does, overlooking outsourced impacts of money.synapse9.com/SEA |
|
|
302 |
I
think the only reasonable conclusion is that somehow all our metaphors got
broke, and just don't connect anymore. |
|
|
301 |
@Revkin Rick Perry may be mad... just as
divorced from reality as our world plan to sustain prosperity with ever
faster resource depletion. |
|
|
300 |
Maybe
it's that so many people are trying to get a word in edgewise, practically
one actually gets a chance to say anything... |
|
|
299 |
Sparks originate opportunistically,
storms originate opportunistically, phase changes originate
opportunistically... |
|
|
298 |
How
come learning broke down, and everyone became an ego universalist??? |
|
|
297 |
It seems there needs to be an
opportunistic event for beginning any deterministic process. |
|
|
296 |
In nature, growth is NOT a number on
a sliding scale. It's a construction project for making something lasting and
succeeds, or it fails. |
|
|
295 |
Finding someone else's pocket to
pick doesn't tell you why everyone is getting so desperate to find someone
else's pocket to pick... |
|
|
294 |
I might
not have noticed... but for being offended by how men keep screwing nature
just to create bigger screw guns, with no other purpose. |
|
|
293 |
Money is actually pumped from the
earth, in the form of delivered goods and services, and *that's* why it can't
keep multiplying any more. |
|
|
292 |
"More" is a terrible
purpose to keep for centuries, even "saving lives" then creates
diseases, bad genes & incompetence nature wouldn't. |
|
|
291 |
@aleksj But what if information is now
interpreted from invented social realities, ever more divorced from the
common complex real world. |
|
|
290 |
Look at the world consensus
economic policy, more growth to use depleting resources and create externalities
to not respond to ever faster. |
|
|
289 |
Go outside your familiar network... |
|
|
288 |
It seems an information age
naturally leaves you trying to run the world with culture wars, each viewing
it from its own reality. |
|
|
287 |
It's also progress that exhausts
*affordable* resources ever faster... so high overhead economies that get hit
hardest. |
|
|
286 |
Whose job is that anyway, dealing
with a world psychosis... like belief in prosperity assured by using up shrinking
resources ever faster? |
|
|
285 |
Hunter/gatherers took from nature to
use and work on at home, but then some used their takes to only multiply, and
stopped bringing it home. |
|
|
284 |
In real science, theory is the
question, and the study of nature is always the answer. |
|
|
283 |
@postgrowth @Freemoneyday @VenessaMiemis 13 books... that still don't fix the way we use
money to grow investments...synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
|
|
282 |
@postgrowth @degrowth "co-creating no growth world" also adds to
wonder about why economic "crazies" seem ALL around.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
|
|
281 |
@STWR_ @yesmagazine "Resilient Economy" adds to wonder about
why economic "crazies" seem ALL around.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
|
|
280 |
Even life saving is limited by
promoting genes and incompetence nature would have eliminated, needing a
greater purpose than just "more". |
|
|
279 |
Growth always continues till it
eliminates the conditions for growth, a change in rules like your birth getting
you evicted from the womb. |
|
|
278 |
Now...
if anyone would connect that with our driving money the opposite way.. we'd be
getting places.thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/0… |
|
|
277 |
Arctic
sea ice trend.. very graphically displayed...thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/0… |
|
|
276 |
Why
do politicians all agree on our wasting our effort getting back to using
things up ever faster to remain prosperous?? Won't work. |
|
|
275 |
You know, like some days it's just time
to listen to your own body, as it's got things to say to you? The earth's our
body, listen. |
|
|
274 |
Natural systems grow in their own
bubbles, as self-defined networks growing from a seed, emerging in a burst of
self-organization. |
|
|
273 |
When it comes down to it, the people
who have difficulty acknowledging error are the ones who are just not curious
about the real world. |
|
|
272 |
What kills confidence more than
anything else is endless over-investment, squeezing everyone's margins to a
common point of disallusionment. |
|
|
271 |
...and while not finding any
resting place offering growth, still fooling both computer and man that hopes
to find the world is infinite. |
|
|
270 |
Are
wild daily gyrations "the Twitter Effect" with the world's market
chasers and followers flocking like birds finding no place to land? |
|
|
269 |
Managing for growth results in
taking on more complex tasks till the system doing it becomes unmanageable,
so manage for response instead. |
|
|
268 |
A system of ever growing complexity
now naturally exceeding the limits of its own self regulation, as clearly
described in 1979. |
|
|
267 |
Market players driving turmoil to
profit from it, not to share in what's profitable to others? Spoiling the
game fun at first, then ugly. |
|
|
266 |
"I'll Be Gone / You'll Be
Gone" is financial manipulation, that naturally grows ever faster when
that's what profitable investment is left. |
|
|
265 |
The social contract becomes one
sided, money goes into things, but only with guarantees to take more out, till
it breaks the social order. |
|
|
264 |
Investing money into things to take
more out first stimulates then overtakes and destroys them. An infinite thing
chasing a finite one. |
|
|
263 |
The
real cause is accumulated money accumulating more and more, bankrupting the
cash economy. It irreversible when the bars begin to close. |
|
|
262 |
So, one real way to fix the drain
of money from the cash economy into finance is to print as much as 30 years
of our wages to hand out. ;-) |
|
|
261 |
What's
the real difference between adding by units and adding in %'s? For flows in nature one can be a steady state, and
the other can't. |
|
|
260 |
@EarthUnSummit12 @artate - and... ALL our institutions designed to remain
"stable" by multiplying in scale forever too... odd design, no? |
|
|
259 |
Really
Phil, you're forgetting the true reality is the epicycles for our theory, not
the things of nature, if you know what's good for you. |
|
|
258 |
@aleksj Trader's "hands on faces" seems GD endless!
Must be the world in our brains isn't found in reality... synapse9.com/signals |
|
|
257 |
"Reading
Nature's Signals" for learning how to read the individual behaviors of
the living systems of nature.google.com/reader/view/fe… |
|
|
256 |
We built
the fixed design of our society around taking two cookies from nature for
every one we took before, like a mindless 2 year old. |
|
|
255 |
The real crisis is how people think
nature uses their own social network's theory, so can't read what her signals
mean! synapse9.com/signals |
|
|
254 |
A
long infantile habit of taking two cookies for every one you took before...
naturally leads to this (usual tragic bedlam). |
|
|
253 |
With
finance designed for everyone to take over the world at once, many find
hoarding cash is their last refuge, and the world seizes up... |
Copied 9 Aug 2011 6:00AM
|
252 |
Keynes actually predicted this very
kind of natural end-of-growth crisis, ever growing savings getting shrinking
returns synapse9.com/blog/2010/04/0… |
|
|
251 |
CapitalInstitute.com
Synapse9.com. Poking our heads above the waves! |
|
|
250 |
Is it that we live in a physical
world, not a theoretical world, that all the theoretical arts simply missed,
just looking the other way??? |
|
|
249 |
How did science not notice, that
all the systems we see developing and operated from the inside, aren't controlled
by forces from outside??? |
|
|
248 |
Enough spending by those with
excess savings averts world default when growth becomes unprofitable. (Keynes
Chapter 16) synapse9.com/ref/KeynesGenT… |
|
|
247 |
If enough spending
by those with excess savings would both end growth and avert world default on
it as debt, then what's their motive??? |
|
|
246 |
The catch for mainstream science,
for example, is how nature operates in cells working internally, so not ruled
by what observers can see. |
|
|
245 |
I am looking, but
just don't find any stream of western culture that doesn't treat nature as
its own theory... and they're all different. |
|
|
244 |
@Revkin Friedman's "5 eroded
pillars" (of perpetual growth), omits the need for rapidly depleting
resources and the conflicts that causes. |
|
|
243 |
Owning an ever growing
share, of an ever more fictional pie, your value is still what you can sell
it for, right?? But leads to panic... |
|
|
242 |
The impression is our whole
intellectual culture is profoundly blind or dishonest... as nearly everyone's
theories treat nature as a theory. |
|
|
241 |
In the end, money IS
reality, no financial system is stable if those with savings just squeezed it
for more, and don’t spend their earnings. |
|
|
240 |
Love is all you need! ...except
figuring out why a world filled with so much of it is also so amazingly
ignorant of nature. |
|
|
239 |
Learn words referring directly to
events and objects of nature, and for her meanings, separate from word uses
for our beliefs and values. |
|
|
238 |
How money connects to reality is by
our using it for making requests for ever growing control of the earth, which
backfires at the limits. |
|
|
237 |
The ideal economic
product, low cost, little thought needed, direct access to the brain's
pleasure centers... our consuming main activity! |
|
|
236 |
Do we protect endangered species?
...or more our own dependency on the money, what actually causes the great
threat to nature and the earth? |
|
|
235 |
Do we "save lives" or
more often just bodies? ...added to our list of credits, but rewarded with
only painful struggle and to die unnoticed. |
|
|
234 |
@revkin - Well, looking for first causes, what's always done the most to keep speeding
up warming is "making money", the one whole cause. |
|
|
233 |
Social networks drifting ever further
into their own social realities... Ever more urged by nature go the other
way! synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
|
|
232 |
Everyone says,
"Well my theory is..." as if that was all nature required to give
them a whole new reality. |
|
|
231 |
All the paths for
escaping the house of self-love are so overgrown you can hardly see where
they are anymore. |
|
|
230 |
Still... beats me how to get love
to be truthful. I'm just surrounded by intellectual cultures in love with
themselves and happy to be. |
|
|
229 |
Putting money in to take more out,
pumps things up but then drains them dry, a fine boom-bust stewardship for
our lives. synapse9.com/issues/Reading… |
|
|
228 |
@revkin ...
The MUCH bigger
problem is "leading experts" have long assumed we lived in a
deterministic world, only now finding out we don't. |
|
|
227 |
Interesting that Teilhard de Chardin was the
genius McLuhan got his main ideas from... but never mentioned. Strange
intellects, ice on fire |
|
|
226 |
That scientists
counted only ~1/5 of the energy demands of businesses (SEA) let
environmentalists make great errors.synapse9.com/SEA |
|
|
225 |
Money multiplies for
people who manage money, not anyone else. That difference grows relentlessly
unless money earnings get spent. |
|
|
224 |
MCluhan's "the medium is the message" seems to mean that in the
future every cultural network can look out from its own private bubble. |
|
|
223 |
@mothernaturenet @revkin still not checking if "clean tech" comes from "dirty
money", the usual investment plan to take over all of nature. |
|
|
222 |
how would one know
whether "clean tech" came from "dirty money" or not, the
usual plot of investors to turn the whole earth into products. |
|
|
221 |
What if everyone
found a good use for everyone else's trash, like nature does, acting as her
partner instead of her worst problem. |
|
|
220 |
What animates change
in nature are explosions of self-organization we see as "growth",
but mysteriously it's not even a subject of physics. |
|
|
219 |
People "living
on the edge" are often kept there by aid that fails to change their problem,
only making it worse by trying to hide it. |
|
|
218 |
Paper on 500%
adjustment in what energy uses to count, just awarded ASME prize for best
Energy Sustainability paper 2010synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
|
|
217 |
the problem with
social networks is nature gets seen as their social construct, even science,
with language, as yet, defining everything. |
|
|
216 |
mother nature also
kindly reminds us, you better not address her as "sir" either, if
you want to get along... |
|
|
215 |
nature is at a loss
how to help her creation, that denies her physical working parts, treating
them like just a game of social appearances. |
|
|
214 |
@aleksj One also needs to look at immigration as a series of great waves and
historic events.. synapse9.com/issues/USImmig… |
|
|
213 |
Where do you find
the natural world?synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
|
|
212 |
There's nothing
wrong with the joys of our lives at all, but letting others use them to drive
the earth to exhaustion. |
|
|
211 |
Would we find
reality more likely in things we can explain, or in things we are at a loss
to but nature does simply, like growth and change. |
|
|
210 |
In demanding CO2 use
if we could smell the gas, we'd get a cubic meter blast for every single
dollar of GDP we spent.synapse9.com/design/dollars… |
|
|
209 |
If growth is like
pregnancy, and creates something, limitless growth is a plan to exhaust all
resources before budgeting for child rearing. |
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|
208 |
@aleksj Growth as a "pulse" is more like pregnancy, you just can't
stay in it, and have REAL IMPORTANT things to do and care for then. |
|
|
207 |
@aleksj Social media make belief culturally affirming... but observation not,
and so are biased against reading nature.synapse9.com/signals/ |
|
|
206 |
@Revkin Environmentalists also impressively ignore the actual source of
demand, that overpowers their own efforts to protect the earth. |
|
|
205 |
Environmentalists
Are Doing Impressive Fracking PR Work in New York -
Politics - The Atlantic Wire theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/… |
|
|
204 |
So, what is the
"good reason" for our using all our expert systems to make live
better by a means that seems to destroy the earth? |
|
|
203 |
So unexpected is
world resource demand exceed world supply, now we don't see it at it's
happening. A defining moment:synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves… |
|
|
202 |
Every time I point
out the little gaps, someone thinks I'm just showing them the myths need
patching, and promptly cover it up! ;-) |
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Trying to be a
member in good standing, of a culture blind to its own circumstance, makes
not seeing it a price of "good standing" |
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Our world doesn't
sit still, but is in turbulent motion, as we heat it up without knowing how. |
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Isn't the problem...
that belief is culturally affirming, and observation not, but questioning?
Then our cultures go blind and disconnect. |
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If population &
productivity growth raise demand and nature and conservation both are
decreasing supply, what relieves the growing conflict? |
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Moving to higher
ground to avoid being swept away by a flood is "socially
unacceptable" to people why don't want to get wet. |
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Foo Camp 6/10-12 in Sebastopol lanyrd.com/2011/foocamp/ via @lanyrd - Alex Jakulin
presenting my work - Anarchetype study for natural
systems |
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@Revkin @guardian Setting tougher targets for climate change won't reduce a bit the CO2
stimulus of economic growth still in them. |
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@Revkin Tempting, but denying the physical nature of nature won't make it a
malleable concept to change as we like. Reality has no escape. |
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@SustainOurEarth @addthis Speth's micro-managing of
the world ecology as a governmental service, won't erase the limits of money,
nope!! |
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@Revkin @USGS "Peak Planet" isn't a list of resources limits and workouts,
but a systemic collision between nature and man leaving no choice |
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@Revkin But Andy... Smil's "sustained push to
boost innovation" is the old core problem, as ever bigger risks with
nature, used for growth. |
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People's #productivity,
stiffening resolve & natural limits of supply, driving food and fuel
through the roof! synapse9.com/phpub.htm#113 |
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@STWR_ food prices double by 2030? Critical to see it's the drive for productivity
doing it - www.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInvestMoment-PH.pdf |
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The telling mental
gap that “Gapminder.org” graphically displayshttp://synapse9.com/blog/2011/05/30/the-telling-mental-gap-at-gapminderorg |
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The answer is in!
The #limit of #growth is much too
expensive!#Resource #markets switch from inviting
new users to defending their turf! |
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When's it more
profitable to invest in making your environment work than in inflating your
own wealth? In finance, simply never! :-/ |
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When is the point in #growth when it becomes more
profitable to invest in protecting and nurturing your environment than
expanding yourself? |
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@edyong209 @ken_homer - definitely, most
radical change we see coming we can keep denying till the day it arrives,
this just overwhelms |
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#Food crisis, WorldWatch links to fuel demand, making fertilizer from
natural gas too expensive.. synapse9.com/issues/PlanteChange11_03.pdf |
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Was it when our guides
chose to impress on us that nature's voice spoke in their words, not in how
to listen to her's, so very long ago?? |
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When the earth as a
whole calls out our name so clearly, and just as clearly unheard, I wonder
when it was we became so deaf to her song? |
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@Revkin Well, realistically, to have helped him you'd have had to stop and
give him a lift. It wasn't something 911 could really respond to. |
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@GreatConvergnce Duh... syNapse9??
It's about how nature connects things using narrow gaps to have openings
where the wilderness can enter. |
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@GreatConvergnce @dotearth But Gell-Mann trusts the theories of "whole system modelers"
but not the insights of whole system observers. Why? |
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All the signs from
our environment are "sharp turn ahead" but our culture says
"race ahead ever faster"... is THAT all in our heads too?? |
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The PROBLEM, is we
just have not tried enough wild schemes to get unsustainable growth to
continue! That's all it is! |
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I liked a YouTube
video -- Ra Ra Riot - Can You Tell (A Cappella)http://youtu.be/lH91YsaBkVI?a |
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nice art, both kinds!
;-) (YouTube http://youtu.be/lH91YsaBkVI?a) |
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@TEEB4ME But... "invest 2% GDP" still also multiplies the main
problem, ever increasing addiction to depleting resources of all kinds! |
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If nature isn't
responding to us, and both government and business misunderstand, do
"the people" need to tell her what to do instead? |
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Do "facts that
don't fit" have their own drawer in your mind? Or does it only prevent
clutter to quickly erase them? |
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The debate over who
should take charge over nature, the "government" or
"business", seems to be wasting our time.. |
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Where "the
facts are easy but the memes are hard" is *exactly* where to look for
the new questions and new paths we need to understand. |
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why we don't accept
that efficiency always multiplied consumption? ... the facts are easy and the
memes are hard |
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Was it
constitutional for an abdicating president of Egypt to dismiss the
constitution, and give the country to the military?? Sounds odd. |
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Well, if #Egypt was worried about it's tourist business..., They have no worries now! What
a great place to visit it's now become. |
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#Egypt, "putting something on
paper" need not be much, just a wonderfully clear statement of the path
and goal and commitment |
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#Egypt needs to put
something on paper!! Just love and solidarity in the streets... is nothing to
build on, and not sustainable. |
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More delay in Egypt
getting back to life as usual... You'd think the business community would
explain.. free markets need free people. |
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#Grist - who's keeping their
heads??http://www.grist.org/article/2011-02-09-smackdown-climate-science-vs-climate-economics#c745923 |
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Egypt |
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Why does the
"roadmap" for Egypt have no destination but silencing the
protest...? |
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Egypt is planning on
killing its people to save it's dictator's honor... Grand purpose... bu will it work? No, of course not. |
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I liked a YouTube
video -- The Life and Times of Louis I. Kahn 2007http://youtu.be/SHB0SSj-1k4?a |
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what most people
seem to learn from thinking is that observation is unimportant... |
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"A New Year’s
wish, the true celebration" - last 7 tweets fromhttp://synapse9.com/blog/2010/12/30/a-new-years-wish-the-true-celebration/ |
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It's asking too
much, to expect what you can ask the world to do for you to multiply without
end, denying your connection to life. |
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It's real simple,
nature's energy budget just doesn't allow for one system to take for itself
ever more of the energy needed by others. |
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Cultural reasoning
is not like science, picking the answers it likes, ignoring the rest, rather
than looking for questions with answers. |
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the IPCC then
pointed out we won't even have an planet we'd recognize as earth to return
to, if we don't respond, ignored all but entirely. |
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Keynes pointed out
that when natural limits come money has to stop multiplying too, Meadows to
how it's happening and very dangerous |
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Malthus pointed out
that with unlimited demand the food runs out, and Jevons that being efficient
makes that happen sooner. |
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Seeing the worth of
money as tokens, denies how it connects you to life, each as one equal share
of all you can ask the world to do for you. |
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ain't it the shits... to live up to someone else's ideals and find out they
didn't give a shit?? |
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I liked a YouTube
video -- White Noise http://youtu.be/8hI5Rs-VXQE?a |
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What #wandering #minds need to know...
(we're ALL kind of "out of the loop")
www.synapse9.com/issues/WanderingMinds.htm |
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could the internet
be destroying #knowledge... not converging toward anything
but becoming turbulence to destroy every direction? |
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The #GHG #trend... improving efficiency *HAS NO
EFFECT* on reducing share of fossil fuel use
www.synapse9.com/blog/2010/12/04/dollarshadow/ |
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The most accurate
available measure of anything's #global #impacts is its share of #GDP as a share of the
world's total, #dollarshadow.htm |
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#CharlieRangle I don't think it reflects on you Charlie, but panicky people grasping
for straws. Don't be bitter, they need your help! |
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@Revkin Why have plans to stop #climate change paid for by
continually growing energy use, with growing impacts to be all #unsustainable? |
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100% #renewable?http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/renewable-energy-baseload-power-David-Mills-solar-wind |
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For Thanksgiving, a
little tale of surprising bounty that changes meaning every yearhttp://www.synapse9.com/issues/PeakZucchini.pdf :-) |
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@revkin Who "owns" the resulting CO2 is THE PURCHASER of the service
it provided... That's the physics, the economics might as well follow. |
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But why???... are we
still nearly all reducing only the rate of accelerating increases in our
impacts, and just calling it #"efficient"?? |
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The Capital Institute,
seems significantly different, clear as the greens but going further on the
risk of not preserving natural capital. |
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what they once
called the "widow's cruse" turns out instead to be a a "youthful world's #challenge", not at ALL the end |
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If you owe someone #money, then they owe it to you to put it
back into the world you got if from, a delightful real
law of balance! |
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Isn't it #rude, when so many trusted voices of the
past decide to become just voices of the past, and you have to move on? |
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Sounds good Leland,
good to talk. (YouTubehttp://youtu.be/L1bWNgJnjuQ?a) |
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People are getting
it! search [site:synapse9.com] my great old writings are coming up |
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"Models
Learning Change" now in Cosmos & History - Natural science for adaptive
modeling, for #growth & #changehttp://synapse9.com/blog/ |
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@sky_pointer @Revkin It's to preserve positive net earnings that investors would spend
them, to not drive net earnings toward zero, as now. |
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What if I were in
power, what would I change?http://synapse9.com/blog/2010/11/12/what-if-i-were-in-power-what-would-i-change/ |
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But how do we reduce
our economic footprint?http://synapse9.com/blog/2010/11/12/but-how-do-we-reduce-our-economic-footprint/ |
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The Story of
"Missing Stuff"http://synapse9.com/blog/2010/11/12/the-story-of-the-missing-stuff/ |
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So... why in the
WORLD do world thinkers fail to menTion the small discrepan... (YouTube http://youtu.be/Zam9DZ43Cl0?a) |
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You can't just tape
up the holes to keep the #bubble's from #bursting(it's essential to turn down the
pumps working to #inflate them too). |
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#Formulas tell of pushes and
pulls on fixed #connections, but #nature the stories of
fitting opposite shapes and chances of new connection. |
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I joined FOUR YEARS.
GO. #4YG. I will pay close attention to how my
money keeps churning my whole world. http://...http://rpx.me/wLU |
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Directions of
progress, without a real objective, are plans to push the limits and be
stopped by only failing to respond to things ignored. |
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Or..What say we...
learn to control ever more #complicatedsystems and then give them ever less thoughtful people???
<:-o <:-o |
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What say we... learn
to control ever more #complicated systems and then
give them ever less thought? <:-o |
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Talk of achieving
"Singularity" begs one ask Which one? ..reducing thought to
singularities or our control of nature, or is that the same? |
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You can't keep a #growth system that doesn't
work as a whole, so even if enticing, #money that promises to
ever multiply won't be kept. |
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To #economists, resource
substitution is defined as free, as if hunter-gatherers still using cut &
run as our theory of #nature! |
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@drgrist #"kicking ass" gets harder if the real fault is with our
love of productivity, having ever greater impacts with ever less effort. |
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We know the appeal
of how machine-like nature is, but we seem caught quite off guard not having
taken interest in how very lively too. |
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I guess if we're
running out of cheap stuff, we'll need to get our stuff elsewhere, if there
still is some place "elsewhere" |
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Maximum growth &
profit go to those who skim and run, so IBG-YBG has been our world economic
policy forever. Hunter-gatherers started it! |
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#CO2 allowance = ~5
years. Cheap #oil supply = ~ 5 to 10
years. Plan to #grow as fast as possible
to keep economy stable forever. What????? |
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Our natural (mental) #limits destabilized our
economy, letting us choose faster resource depletion to stabilize #growth, in the 1950's. |
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I makes us seem like
blind #slaves to ideology to not
question "be fruitful and multiply" even when it's clearly no
longer #fruitful. |
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Obama asks why BP
didn't think through the #consequences of feeding an #economy that must always
multiply it's consumption to remain stable! |
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Everyone knows
physical systems all have breaking points, right? (and theories often
don't)... but if #theory is our reality, what
then? |
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@drgrist "Interesting Obama never mentioned...climate" or that growth
requires ever more use of cheapest energy, oil till it runs out too! |
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BEST invention ever,
my solar powered bank account recharger, just put it on your window sill and
watch your money multiply, *guaranteed*! |
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what makes things
"blow up" seems, to often be the wall you
erect to "keep things from blowing up", that would otherwise
"blow over". |
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Given the growing
conflicts, business can't make a profit without taking short cuts, so the
have to ever more to just stay in business. |
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@STWR_ spending a trillion, seeming to be mostly for retribution, really
shows just how cheap we really are! |
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Does it escape our
attention?... that solutions making things more #complex, makes them easier to misunderstand
and harder to change? |
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What about the
spectrum of growing #risks of #growth that are completely
natural, and NOT caused by human error?? |
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The #obligation to help people, who make such a big show of being #helpless, stops where it does more harm, or
just isn't fun. |
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Solutions that
multiply, and hide ever more unrecognized risks, ..are, well
"perfect", giving you nothing at all to worry about. |
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BP #unprepared? Simple #economics limits preparation for ever wider harm of ever bigger things going
wrong, a natural limit of #growth. |
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What you say makes
sense to you but none to me... so we both mush be! |
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What's #real or #imagined isn't possible to
tell, except from the gaps in what you think that keep sending you back to
the source. |
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Pink Floyd walks
into a bar saying "I don't need no thought control", the bartender
says "I'll buy that!", so now they're both fat cats! |
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Why can't nature
just leave our perfect theories alone!! ... always mucking things up by
changing the world around them! |
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is there ANYTHING
different between alternating and escalating effects other than the good
intentions that may or not be behind them?? |
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Sustainability is
generally measured as if the head on a beer, the less head the less beer...
right? See it clear from a distance, no prob! |
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long vigorous and
resilient, reached an unprecedented peak and then literally collapsed... |
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we regulate
economies like a #casino, for players guaranteed to win their
bets and encouraged to pile their winnings on their bets... Smart! |
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Can't change the
past?? Isn't the future just one revisionist history after another,
constantly changing the meaning of the past? #change |
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So, how did we get
here, unable to tell if there are any independent realities, or just
culturally preferred ones? What's that for? |
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Risk of a further
physical system collapse. #growth #criseswww.synapse9.com/blog |
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Is DNA a cell's
molecular "software" or is it the "memory"?? Isn't the #LIFE of the cell what
reads DNA as what worked before, and adapts? |
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@Revkin 'Strong reason to believe' terrorists plotting U.S. strike?? ..Or is
it that from our #growth being a growing
attack on nature? |
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I think Venter's
"big discovery" is risky, but not so. Evolution works ONLY by
addition, and so would not have a logic for us to screw up. |
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In a time of change,
to find the smell of what will work next, smell the new roses too. |
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If the earth were a
social system then nature would listen to government policy too! #growth |
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If the earth were a
social system cheer leading for sustainability helps, and stimulating growth
to call it constraint positive too. #growth |
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Complexity - What is
it? It's what nature does so very simply we can't fathom it, usually lots of
disconnected parts acting as a whole. |
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Evidently streamlining growth to work better, accelerates both its resource uses and impacts, and is what technology always did.#growth |
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You
know there's a physical world, 'cause any time you like you can step right on
it! |
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Yep,
"smart", but just not paying attention. @ninacaplan That's the Malthusian
argument, isn't it... |
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@shoudaknown |
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If
you increase your steps by ever bigger steps, you get to ... overstepping!
Wow, who'd a thunk it? |
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growth
= steadily larger problems ending in ever fewer resources to solve them with. |
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maturation
= steadily smaller problems and steady resources for solving them. |
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In
the age of free information, good information get *just* affordable! |
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the
part we connect, the part we have to wait for that relies on our
environment's response. |
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intimately
knowing your limits, seems to greatly expand them... |
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No
matter what language you write it in, people invariably read it in their own |
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The
real energy problem is our society’s model of ever increasing overhead costs. |
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setting
up twitter, points of elasticity, wondering how to stretch |