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Jessie Henshaw 2009 - 2013
Blog Reading Nature’s Signals & Research archive Synapse9.com,
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between 1 and 1716)
Some related
series of tweets were
grouped by order color
Some more useful principles for understanding natural systems are highlighted
Occasional clarification inserted with [brackets]
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No. |
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Date |
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1716 |
It creates great confusion about ourselves and our lives, to see "nature" in abstract terms, defined meanings in rules without environments. |
1-Dec-2013 |
4:02 PM |
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1715 |
It's a very rude imposition on conceptual thinkers, that there may be an independent real world tooooo... but there does SEEM to be! ';-) |
1-Dec-2013 |
3:54 PM |
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1714 |
It's a communication process WITH the unknown; and that when out in the wilderness... it's **paying attention** that makes us free! |
28-Nov-2013 |
1:40 PM |
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1713 |
@Revkin @cdbaby Whatever the song, SD is still modeled on using resources to ever expand resource demands... and avoiding discussion of why. |
28-Nov-2013 |
1:27 PM |
|
1712 |
Our minds tell us our world is made of the organizations of things we see, but life tells us they all talk through the "in-betweens"! [their environments] |
28-Nov-2013 |
1:24 PM |
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1711 |
Did "public companies" with a fiduciary duty to serve others just become "people" with religious freedom to ignore anyone else's interests?? |
25-Nov-2013 |
11:34 AM |
|
1710 |
@ryancordell Ryan, "viral" & "de-viral" spreads are also signs of nature's process of self-organization too..! http://t.co/d16UlxJZjx |
24-Nov-2013 |
8:48 PM |
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1709 |
You don't need to sacrifice one for the other, you know. If you get your act together it's natural to have BOTH! |
15-Nov-2013 |
8:53 PM |
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1708 |
I try to bite my tongue, and not mention. It's their putting their own group cohesion ahead of nature, in deciding what reality to live by. |
15-Nov-2013 |
8:30 PM |
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1707 |
It breaks my heart, that the social networks keep outright rejecting the knowledge of how to let nature take the lead, we need to survive. |
15-Nov-2013 |
8:26 PM |
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1706 |
@Revkin And in the same 40 years we also tripled the real impacts on the earth of delivering returns on our money! http://t.co/Jf1ADgxVcU |
12-Nov-2013 |
1:51 PM |
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1705 |
@Revkin @Kevbonham @sciamblogs @keithkloor And the reason not to label the impact multiplier rates of our own money? http://t.co/Jf1ADgxVcU |
12-Nov-2013 |
1:45 PM |
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1704 |
Yes, well, OK, but... Why focus so much on Keystone and ignore the CO2 multipliers you accumulate [for "good luck"] online and in your pocket? |
12-Nov-2013 |
1:40 PM |
|
1703 |
@page88 On rare occasion my Tweets are also timely, but mostly its timeless threads others can see on their own, or "gaps in the matrix". |
12-Nov-2013 |
4:56 AM |
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1702 |
@page88 Seeing why equations don't grow from hidden seeds, like living things do, would make you a scientific, not mystical, creationist... |
12-Nov-2013 |
3:39 AM |
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1701 |
@page88 Science also leaves out why equations can't emerge from their own environments by growth from a hidden seed, like living things do. |
12-Nov-2013 |
3:37 AM |
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1700 |
We're like children, seeing an avalanche of snow on a roof, walking under the eave throwing snowballs at it to try #triggering something!! |
10-Nov-2013 |
11:15 AM |
|
1699 |
Homemaking? Just caring for the place you built rather than building more till you can't take care of it. |
10-Nov-2013 |
3:04 AM |
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1698 |
A circle a million times as big is still a circle but a society with a million times the promises to keep, is stretched beyond recognition. |
9-Nov-2013 |
1:07 PM |
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1697 |
@nytimesworld The tomb in the picture had to have been dedicated LONG before the incident.. ask anone who builds them http://t.co/3HiR0VqlSm |
6-Nov-2013 |
1:01 PM |
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1696 |
"a new architecture" for the world SDG's emerging ...*** watch that space! *** http://t.co/qhcPGLQHCL |
3-Nov-2013 |
2:31 PM |
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1695 |
Changing from "growth" to "homemaking" is for the profit of caring for an irreducibly lively place to belong. http://t.co/jUvYxfu8t5 |
31-Oct-2013 |
9:41 PM |
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1694 |
@symmetrymag What questions keep physicists up at night? One is finding more ways to avoid studying rapid flowing organizational change. |
30-Oct-2013 |
6:00 PM |
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1693 |
What it comes down to, is we need to make a real home for ourselves on earth, and you can't define or do that abstractly. |
29-Oct-2013 |
7:25 PM |
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1692 |
Big money energizing well organized groups of fanatics is a real creature of the "information age", but the creature is not "democracy". |
25-Oct-2013 |
12:13 AM |
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1691 |
Being so financially profitable to mislead public opinion, and attract so much money to do it, really assures democracy can't work at all. |
23-Oct-2013 |
1:12 PM |
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1690 |
That "maximum deception" became the working definition of "the whole truth and nothing but the truth" in court.. is part of the problem too. |
23-Oct-2013 |
1:12 PM |
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1689 |
@davidgraeber Charging interest tempts evil... yes, but NOT for home makers who know to use it for the commons from which the wealth came. |
21-Oct-2013 |
12:38 AM |
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1688 |
So.. "the cutting edge for observation" is always seeing if you can let nature take control over the meaning http://t.co/mjN7qa5uhw |
21-Oct-2013 |
12:31 AM |
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1687 |
The cutting edge for observing it is wondering what'd happen giving up control over the meaning of your observations. http://t.co/oAqnLgWOi9 |
20-Oct-2013 |
12:42 PM |
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1686 |
It came from my finding natural principles of self-organization, but includes a finding that apparent "determinism" is self-organizing too. |
20-Oct-2013 |
12:38 PM |
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1685 |
True, Wall Street will be out of a job if it doesn't prove itself as good at putting the world back together as it is at tearing it apart! |
18-Oct-2013 |
1:16 AM |
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1684 |
Philosophers have devoted much effort to deciding "what #reality is", never seeming to ask if it may be very largely what we don't decide. |
17-Oct-2013 |
9:52 PM |
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1683 |
@davidgraeber The divide she reconstructs is between seeing nature as our abstractions or as our experiences! also http://t.co/n95fdb3ewC |
17-Oct-2013 |
5:55 PM |
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1682 |
@davidgraeber Have you discovered Pat Thompson's "Hestian" view, on why home culture can't be at home in our world?? http://t.co/WbrgcdO5sv? |
17-Oct-2013 |
3:56 PM |
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1681 |
You don't change a whole system promoting what you like. It takes working as hard to relieve the need for what you don't like to do it. |
17-Oct-2013 |
1:58 PM |
|
1680 |
What people are doing is usually "right", but **not working for being incomplete**. You need to address the whole system, not just parts. |
17-Oct-2013 |
1:55 PM |
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1679 |
WHAT IF? the only solution to #MIGRATION was then for us to stop #hoarding our wealth for growth, so others could then earn for themselves?? |
14-Oct-2013 |
1:22 PM |
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1678 |
WHAT IF? the world #MIGRATION crisis COMES FROM AID, for people only able to care for themselves by going to where the aid comes from?? |
14-Oct-2013 |
1:19 PM |
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1677 |
#Reality is real enough, just always quite a bit bigger than what we see in our heads (and so needs frequent checking) even for science! |
12-Oct-2013 |
3:09 PM |
|
1676 |
and... so likely the "end of us", but COULD BE THE END OF being domesticated to accept "THE WORD" that your social network is your reality. |
12-Oct-2013 |
3:06 PM |
|
1675 |
So, caring society sees the solution as piling on a growing scale and complexity of new problems, hating anyone pointing the true way home. |
12-Oct-2013 |
3:00 PM |
|
1674 |
Does "reality" change when you change what you'll agree to?? No, just your social network, WEARING DIFFERENT BLINDERS. |
12-Oct-2013 |
2:48 PM |
|
1673 |
But... the actual problem is social networks define their own **agreed realities** as "home", and attack you for leading another way... |
12-Oct-2013 |
2:46 PM |
|
1672 |
Having ways to tell the difference between #realities we do and don't define is the way home. |
12-Oct-2013 |
2:37 PM |
|
1671 |
Really should'a known it'd be a big big problem for friends, family and networks, to point out ways to tell the difference as the way home. |
12-Oct-2013 |
2:36 PM |
|
1670 |
Should'a known too, not to trust "social networks" defining our reality by social agreement, ignoring all reality thought doesn't define. |
12-Oct-2013 |
2:31 PM |
|
1669 |
50 years saving the earth, expanding our scale and complexity, saying it's the solution when clearly always the problem, should'a known. |
12-Oct-2013 |
2:14 PM |
|
1668 |
#shutdown But why ARE the low income states so vehement about the interests of the super rich? |
10-Oct-2013 |
12:18 AM |
|
1667 |
Red State federal benefits far exceed taxes paid, and hold extreme opposite views influenced by big money. Are they just easily bought off?? |
9-Oct-2013 |
11:09 PM |
|
1666 |
#Precedent doesn't convey legitimacy. "Oh we always do that" is more said by those who've lost sight of the law. Extortion is undemocratic. |
9-Oct-2013 |
11:33 AM |
|
1665 |
@bbaue impacts on the environment or the equations? Impacts on the environment would include the impacts of the people paid to do the work. |
8-Oct-2013 |
9:49 PM |
|
1664 |
@EnerTechCap At each step you can think you can manage the next, to only fail once. So trying each step fails for ever doubling complexity. |
8-Oct-2013 |
7:39 PM |
|
1663 |
@bbaue The "context" is by the old rules, no? You count the direct and accumulative impacts of money as zero, right? http://t.co/MeN5K5XD5V |
8-Oct-2013 |
7:19 PM |
|
1662 |
Your great economic solutions treat "ever growing demand" as a "supply problem"??...look through the right end of the telescope next time... |
8-Oct-2013 |
6:43 PM |
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1661 |
@Ethical_Corp Much smoke AND fire in the whitewashing of sustainability too; e.g. ignoring the "bads of our "goods"? http://t.co/MeN5K5XD5V |
8-Oct-2013 |
2:00 PM |
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1660 |
@TheTakeaway Where the #shutdown has to end is with a bright line, between the oaths representatives take and behaviors violating democracy. |
8-Oct-2013 |
1:55 PM |
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1659 |
@NaturePhysics PHYSICS ISN'T 'NATURE', but rules for boundary conditions, nature is likely to [bound to!] find a continuous path of development within. |
8-Oct-2013 |
12:53 PM |
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1658 |
@neelkhan24 @Ethical_Corp What a nutty question! The ONLY "clean" supply chain is one you both don't pay for and don't increasingly use. |
7-Oct-2013 |
12:26 PM |
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1657 |
#boehner Doesn't overruling the democratic process by hostage taking and obstruction violate the principles they took an oath to defend?? |
7-Oct-2013 |
12:21 PM |
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1656 |
@aleksj "Capital" is just how the parts are *organized*, and cooperatives need LOTS of that. Why they use everything well is by *intent*! |
6-Oct-2013 |
3:16 PM |
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1655 |
@bbaue @Justmeans But Bill, why then aren't we talking about how sustainabilty metrics so mismeasure GHG's ?? http://t.co/pDO4uF8iBs |
6-Oct-2013 |
3:16 PM |
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1654 |
The secret formula for the "reality math" used in SEA... http://t.co/pDO4uF8iBs & the research http://t.co/3HLwQGRste |
6-Oct-2013 |
1:33 PM |
|
1653 |
organic markers to track, point to the whole http://t.co/QwQioSCX62 http://t.co/iOHzsYhAas |
6-Oct-2013 |
2:40 AM |
|
1652 |
Are there natural causes, to the tides, in our great "age of communication" producing ever less and less? |
6-Oct-2013 |
12:39 AM |
|
1651 |
@bakjakob The iPhone made it fun, but didn't tell us where riding an ever more complex and faster changing world would take us, did it?. |
5-Oct-2013 |
12:42 PM |
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1650 |
Another dilemma for the growth machine is the ease of profits from enslaving people to work for their own addictions. It changes who we are. |
5-Oct-2013 |
12:27 PM |
|
1649 |
@johnkellden But if "intelligence" is managing complexity, why's our grand plan seem to give ever less able people ever more responsibility? |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:54 PM |
|
1648 |
@WiproInsights But if "intelligence" is managing complexity, why does our plan seem to give ever less able people ever more responsibility? |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:53 PM |
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1647 |
@Verint But if "intelligence" is managing complexity, why does our grand plan seem to give ever less able people ever more responsibility? |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:51 PM |
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1646 |
@Raytheon But if "intelligence" is managing complexity, why does our grand plan seem to give ever less able people ever more responsibility? |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:50 PM |
|
1645 |
@EntryLevelRebel But if "intelligence" is managing complexity, doesn't our grand plan give ever less able people ever more responsibility? |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:49 PM |
|
1644 |
@binowski and if "intelligence" is managing complexity, why does our grand plan then give ever less able people ever more responsibility? |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:47 PM |
|
1643 |
@cybfor But.. if "intelligence" is managing complexity, our grand plan seems to give ever more stupid people ever more responsibility... |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:46 PM |
|
1642 |
@EnerTechCap @Street_Insider If "intelligence" is managing complexity, our grand plan gives ever less able people ever more responsibility. |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:45 PM |
|
1641 |
@ValaAfshar If "intelligence" is managing complexity, our grand plan gives ever less able people ever more responsibility... |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:44 PM |
|
1640 |
@mymarketability If "intelligence" is managing complexity though, our grand plan gives ever more stupid people ever more responsibility... |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:43 PM |
|
1639 |
@SmartDataCo @jgptec If "intelligence" is managing complexity, our grand plan gives ever more stupid people ever more responsibility though |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:42 PM |
|
1638 |
@jonnathanson #smchat If "intelligence" is managing complexity, our grand plan gives ever more stupid people ever more responsibility... |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:40 PM |
|
1637 |
@ScoutVision If "intelligence" is managing complexity, our grand plan gives ever more stupid people ever more responsibility... #psycchat |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:38 PM |
|
1636 |
@bekcikelly @EmmausKevinK If "intelligence" is managing complexity, our grand plan gives ever more stupid people ever more responsibility... |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:35 PM |
|
1635 |
If "intelligence" compares complexity with our ability to manage it, our grand plan gives ever more stupid people ever more responsibility. |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:33 PM |
|
1634 |
@PeterGleick @billmckibben Aren't both oil and investments fungible? We need to end their cycle of growing demand, not change owners. |
4-Oct-2013 |
8:25 PM |
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1633 |
All the same, men's Capitalism and women's Femitalism, one in the blue bottle, the other in the pink, pumping the earth for all its got. |
4-Oct-2013 |
3:39 AM |
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1632 |
The web now isn't protecting your home, but invading it, updating your operating system to open new doors for BIG CORP not close them. |
30-Sep-2013 |
12:57 PM |
|
1631 |
In Business we follow the Roman Rule, use your take to expand your attack, taking the flames of other homes without limit.@NewEconomics |
30-Sep-2013 |
11:08 AM |
|
1630 |
@NewEconomics At home, we give freely all we have, for the good of the whole. We follow the Hestian rule, be guardian of the sacred flame. |
30-Sep-2013 |
10:58 AM |
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1629 |
#AskOnce Creating jobs for people ALWAYS eliminated the jobs and populations of nature too, ever faster, and honest math is it still does. |
30-Sep-2013 |
1:26 AM |
|
1628 |
BIG BROTHER... it seems, made a mistake! Ever swelling control of our lives, the ultimate business model, seizes up and won't be profitable! |
29-Sep-2013 |
9:18 PM |
|
1627 |
BIG BROTHER... it seems, made a mistake! Ever swelling control of all lives, the ultimate business model, seizes up and won't be profitable! |
29-Sep-2013 |
9:18 PM |
|
1626 |
@CTIA YOU are BIG BROTHER, siren blaring in the quiet homes of 20 million people at a time, a plan that can't help but fail on its own... |
28-Sep-2013 |
1:54 AM |
|
1625 |
Business efficiency is a "concept", with no limits, and so like all unbounded efficiencies, plans for our "making bricks without straw". |
22-Sep-2013 |
10:33 AM |
|
1624 |
Business aims at "efficiency" to maximize sales and minimize the service provided... like perforations impossible to find on the bill.. |
22-Sep-2013 |
10:30 AM |
|
1623 |
The benefit of "jobs created" by investors curiously never counts the cost of "jobs destroyed", though it varies a LOT! |
15-Sep-2013 |
8:21 PM |
|
1622 |
@billmckibben If biophysically $1 = one unit of the energy services our world gives us a choice of using, what are we doing with them?? |
15-Sep-2013 |
11:03 AM |
|
1621 |
What is a dollar bio-physically? Physically $1 is one unit of your choice of the energy services our world working together can deliver. |
15-Sep-2013 |
10:57 AM |
|
1620 |
How often, in our public speech, are we just blustering fools, recommending that what's in our minds be in everyone else's world?? 80%? 98%? |
14-Sep-2013 |
12:16 PM |
|
1619 |
One of the *nicest* things about finding that nature has a mind of its own, is then having two of them, to own, play with and compare!! ;-) |
14-Sep-2013 |
2:12 AM |
|
1618 |
People shouldn't be caged, or enslaved, and neither should the Earth,... but compulsive growth does both to both, and human society too. |
13-Sep-2013 |
9:33 PM |
|
1617 |
Working for "the System", using profit to reap more profit, exacts ever growing debt to it too; as the universal "bargain with the Devil". |
12-Sep-2013 |
11:11 AM |
|
1616 |
The pain of recessions are a sign of it, forced "re-tooling without a break", and very painful! But science doesn't know what sleep is for! |
11-Sep-2013 |
11:37 AM |
|
1615 |
The economy, following rules of science...never gets to rest, but churns ever harder to expand and expand, forced to grow in unhealthy ways. |
11-Sep-2013 |
11:35 AM |
|
1614 |
A day starts with a cleared mind and rearranged mental furniture.. with reaffirmed convictions and worries, delusions too of course. |
11-Sep-2013 |
11:31 AM |
|
1613 |
The need to rest and refresh, and start a "new day" is the same with ALL of nature, and the life of daily activity, the home and office too. |
11-Sep-2013 |
11:28 AM |
|
1612 |
That living things "rest to refresh" is a matter of "house keeping" in homes of the living cultures residing there. http://t.co/zTD2DEKrPo |
11-Sep-2013 |
11:26 AM |
|
1611 |
The laws of science don't say **STOP** every day. Why do nature's? Mind and body awake "re-freshed", "re-vived" & with a full "make-over". |
11-Sep-2013 |
11:22 AM |
|
1610 |
Science puzzles over what a "good sleep" is for, physiologically, like asking: Why does everything seems to just shut down so often?? |
11-Sep-2013 |
11:19 AM |
|
1609 |
If corporate growth culture is a dead end, people who know about meaning will lose interest first, and the young may not see them go. |
9-Sep-2013 |
12:06 AM |
|
1608 |
I think corporate culture, all growth all the time, endswith no strategy but in-your face emotional games, and everyone will get bored. |
9-Sep-2013 |
12:01 AM |
|
1607 |
Feeling good about the earth, doesn't tell you what to do. Economy twice as efficient over 40 years, CO2 increasing four times as fast!! |
8-Sep-2013 |
11:59 PM |
|
1606 |
Face it... the business model for growth funds is to be an ever more invasive species, invading the every domain on Earth for control. |
8-Sep-2013 |
12:38 PM |
|
1605 |
The small detail that both opens the subject and threatens all sides is that the sides of the equations are far from equal... |
7-Sep-2013 |
9:56 AM |
|
1604 |
Our World, of Ever more tenuous relationships, Being crushed by ever more forceful equations... |
7-Sep-2013 |
AM |
|
1603 |
Hey, you know, if i WRAP MY NOTEB OOK'S MOUSE PAD with duct tape it works a great deal better! Note to self: Tell HP |
7-Sep-2013 |
5:35 AM |
|
1602 |
Yes,Big Corp IS Watching... with a business plan to die for!!! Oh, you know, just ever growing rates of controlling your life for profit!! |
7-Sep-2013 |
5:27 AM |
|
1601 |
You really can't give people privacy unless they can control it privately, and that's really not possible any more. Big Corp IS Watching!!! |
7-Sep-2013 |
5:22 AM |
|
1600 |
I'm struck with horror by our culture at every turn, hey... enjoy don't destroy. Nothing is all that important. |
7-Sep-2013 |
5:13 AM |
|
1599 |
In asking "is that molecular self-organization at work too?".. is anything else there?? If not the things doing it,... what else could be? |
7-Sep-2013 |
4:54 AM |
|
1598 |
Nature has a knack for building fabulously organized multi-scale systems of great variety. Is that molecular self-organization at work too? |
7-Sep-2013 |
4:53 AM |
|
1597 |
The internet uses the natural electronic vibration level of molecules. See anything else interesting nature might have found for it to do? |
7-Sep-2013 |
4:48 AM |
|
1596 |
@HeleneFinidori Well, yes! The essence of classical "Action Research" is groups learning about their roles in their commons. |
6-Sep-2013 |
2:59 PM |
|
1595 |
@HeleneFinidori + #4Dsustainability and #3Step action research to design roles #4thecommons. http://t.co/ZIee1Ooxr5 http://t.co/v3iPo8WDZi |
6-Sep-2013 |
1:16 PM |
|
1594 |
It's #PUTIN that made #Syria the world's business, giving #Assad the idea he was free to settle things by massacring his people. |
4-Sep-2013 |
11:38 AM |
|
1593 |
It's an #Ugly_Choice.. between hitting #Assad and hitting #Syria, but won't work without #Permanently changing his life and way of thinking. |
4-Sep-2013 |
11:02 AM |
|
1592 |
Like, how often now do "free" programs remind you to tell them more about yourself, or keep "forgetting" things and need a reminded!! |
4-Sep-2013 |
10:08 AM |
|
1591 |
When you're the buyer of a product but "treated like a slave being sold", "not as the boss", it's likely in "the slave deal" you were sold. |
4-Sep-2013 |
9:58 AM |
|
1590 |
Take as well words like "domestic", as both "enslavement" and "tranquility", a war seen within language over life as rules or for living. |
4-Sep-2013 |
9:46 AM |
|
1589 |
It's still someone lying to you, if only ourselves, ignoring the impacts we might well know, our money goes to pay for and to multiply...! |
3-Sep-2013 |
9:26 AM |
|
1588 |
@ChrisCQuinn @Quinn4NY Earn points for the truth. It's wrong to credit police with drops in crime rates, if it's really our culture doing it |
2-Sep-2013 |
10:49 PM |
|
1587 |
@ChrisCQuinn @Quinn4NY Did you know?? Changing crime rates CAN BE 95% DUE TO SHIFTS IN CULTURE, NOT PUBLIC POLICY!! http://t.co/0oTqlcYd4C |
2-Sep-2013 |
10:41 PM |
|
1586 |
Some things matter and some don't. Getting able representation in court matters a hundred times more than making arrests. |
2-Sep-2013 |
4:36 PM |
|
1585 |
Cellophane is biodegradable, you never see it lying around months later. As packaging it only needs to be HANDLED WITH CARE! (EARTH TOO) |
2-Sep-2013 |
10:41 AM |
|
1584 |
The oddly overlooked main "limit to growth", is just building so much you can't care for it. Any honest estimate says we're past that. |
1-Sep-2013 |
6:55 PM |
|
1583 |
You **wonder** why the US is in every country? See our "business plan". It's for expanding "our business" faster as it gets bigger, by %'s!! |
1-Sep-2013 |
3:22 AM |
|
1582 |
Conceptual relationships stretched to infinity work fine! So we're puzzled that physical relationships don't, *seeing them* as concepts. |
31-Aug-2013 |
10:30 PM |
|
1581 |
Some children leave you wondering!! Except for being mad, what good are Gods of might and money spoiling the sacred fires of hearth & home? |
30-Aug-2013 |
1:14 PM |
|
1580 |
Cronus' oldest child, Hestia: Protector of the "sacred fire" of hearth and home. Youngest, Zeus and many sons: gods of might and money. |
30-Aug-2013 |
12:28 PM |
|
1579 |
http://t.co/caKR63edy0 Anne Elliott - I didn't quite follow your comment, on the link between Meadows and Benyus' work. They're both... |
28-Aug-2013 |
7:53 PM |
|
1578 |
http://t.co/HaAiY1E6bO Realistically, though, isn't it likely that ST isn't used by many people because they don't find the systems they... |
24-Aug-2013 |
11:00 PM |
|
1577 |
http://t.co/dYW8UzfcAb Gene, I think "the name remains the same whatever you call it"... Any name you give a school of thought will... |
24-Aug-2013 |
1:20 PM |
|
1576 |
http://t.co/l7MdvsIDm9 Why not take the observer one more step out of the picture. We could just observe what the controls are in... |
24-Aug-2013 |
11:49 AM |
|
1575 |
Internal dialogs can't replace the external ones, even if needed to open up to the living world we are part of and how to work with it. |
20-Aug-2013 |
1:45 PM |
|
1574 |
Self-assessment matters too, as I often seem to overwhelm my own opportunities for teaching people how to be sensitive to what's happening. |
18-Aug-2013 |
1:02 PM |
|
1573 |
How to recognize "enough" is a trick, surely, but better to be alert to diminishing returns than just wait for bubbles to burst as the mark. |
18-Aug-2013 |
1:01 PM |
|
1572 |
Yes, *lots* of things would work a whole lot better if we didn't do ever more of them till they didn't work well at all! |
18-Aug-2013 |
12:57 PM |
|
1571 |
http://t.co/tD6bSL1wp2 Well, I was an architect first and then became a longtime author on system theory. What I found was a major set... |
15-Aug-2013 |
1:28 PM |
|
1570 |
http://t.co/S04OKAKLkH Well, I was an architect first and then became a longtime author on system theory. What I found was a major set... |
15-Aug-2013 |
1:10 PM |
|
1569 |
When you look , growth systems do seem "attracted" to being nurtured, like "turning toward the light" as an inherent part of the strategy. |
15-Aug-2013 |
1:41 AM |
|
1568 |
Or... is nature "both", as seen in evidence that "things grow" along the paths where they find they are nurtured? |
15-Aug-2013 |
1:39 AM |
|
1567 |
Good News, science is creating "robot pollinators" so we'll continue to have good fruit crops when our environment causes the bees to die!! |
13-Aug-2013 |
5:25 PM |
|
1566 |
Or is it that it seems algorithms can, but they haven't noticed that nature doesn't, or even use "theories" or "models" of any kind really.. |
9-Aug-2013 |
10:38 PM |
|
1565 |
Or is it that it seems to work in algorithms, and they haven't noticed that nature doesn't use them, and has "models" of any kind really... |
9-Aug-2013 |
10:34 PM |
|
1564 |
The natural law is you need to use things to do things. Why do economists seem to insist they know how to repeal it? Is it "the money"? |
9-Aug-2013 |
10:25 PM |
|
1563 |
@Revkin @KeithKloor One sure way to escalate conflict is to keep letting growth drive climate change, rising resource costs and exhaustion! |
5-Aug-2013 |
12:50 PM |
|
1562 |
@Revkin So if feeding its own addictions is your world's choice for curing them, where do you, your friends and the Times owe allegiance? |
5-Aug-2013 |
12:43 PM |
|
1561 |
So if our social and intellectual cultures are proving just marvelously incompetent, where but in nature is there real wisdom on what to do? |
5-Aug-2013 |
11:34 AM |
|
1560 |
Of course... the facts on "efficiency" were in long ago, always speeding up the resource use of a growing economies, not shrinking it. |
5-Aug-2013 |
11:21 AM |
|
1559 |
The facts are in, with 40 years of promoting sustainable resource use, the rate of growing use of fossil fuels hasn't changed one bit... |
5-Aug-2013 |
11:04 AM |
|
1558 |
There was never any point in trying to supply more energy and resources to satisfy an economy with limitlessly growing demands. |
5-Aug-2013 |
11:01 AM |
|
1557 |
In the next century many fewer people might starve with a shrinking economy than a growing one, given how growth as exhausting the earth... |
5-Aug-2013 |
10:58 AM |
|
1556 |
Isn't it odd, that new apps like SKYPE need on all the time and have access to everything on your home network? |
2-Aug-2013 |
6:12 PM |
|
1555 |
the trial runs of the "3Step process for Working With Nature" are opening eyes!! http://t.co/v3iPo8WDZi a new way to look at the world! |
28-Jul-2013 |
12:41 PM |
|
1554 |
@HeleneFinidori @jembendell Thinking other people's internal problems are waiting for our external solutions... needs http://t.co/v3iPo8WDZi |
28-Jul-2013 |
12:38 PM |
|
1553 |
@nytimes Widening inequality a threat to world society too, but science clearly explaining natural cause & solution oddly of not an interest |
28-Jul-2013 |
12:32 PM |
|
1552 |
So, since models inherently can't tell us the meaning of change, we now need our hearts to learn how environments work, to find what to do. |
17-Jul-2013 |
2:14 PM |
|
1551 |
3Step Process of Learning to Work With Nature (not a theory, but a method of finding meaning in the facts of life). http://t.co/AWdtxB2mRR |
17-Jul-2013 |
1:54 PM |
|
1550 |
That's why we are destroying the earth, and see but don't feel it, relying on models that blind us to the meaning of what they help us do. |
17-Jul-2013 |
1:52 PM |
|
1549 |
First language was created to express feeling, then split by using facts, needing models with controlled relationships, and unfeeling. |
17-Jul-2013 |
1:48 PM |
|
1548 |
We misplace reality as what's in our models, missing the eventful world still undefined they point to, not what we see but what we look at. |
17-Jul-2013 |
1:36 PM |
|
1547 |
Operating the earth as an equation, by our rules rather than natures, we go mad hoping our bursts of self-organization can be made infinite. |
17-Jul-2013 |
1:27 PM |
|
1546 |
More revealing is how the eventfulness of mind and nature doesn't occur in theories, relying on defined relationships not discovered ones. |
17-Jul-2013 |
1:20 PM |
|
1545 |
The false duality of mind & nature is clear, in how events for each begin with bursts of self-organization and energy use, "eventfully". ;-) |
17-Jul-2013 |
1:02 PM |
|
1544 |
@rzimmermanjr No doubt the world changed for you and your family, and for the kid walking home with snacks to watch a game on TV... |
14-Jul-2013 |
1:23 PM |
|
1543 |
@Macys BANG! |
30-Jun-2013 |
2:21 PM |
|
1542 |
@Sustdev @Post2015 - Funding Education by "profit making business" is for their sustainability, caring for the world they're profiting from! |
18-Jun-2013 |
2:01 PM |
|
1541 |
#China's massive theft of weapons systems and private IP around the world is NOT like the US program for targeted #spying on terror rings! |
18-Jun-2013 |
12:37 PM |
|
1540 |
@SustDev #post2015 - Love new #OWG4 focus on asking "how" and "what enterprises" to call upon... to show our world how to care for itself. |
17-Jun-2013 |
3:35 PM |
|
1539 |
Science has found again and again, that nature takes our minds to apparent singularities, just to expose ever more of her multiplicities, |
16-Jun-2013 |
9:46 PM |
|
1538 |
Hey... wouldn't you know, I figured out how to "do the math", it was quite an accomplishment,... except no one cared! |
16-Jun-2013 |
3:28 PM |
|
1537 |
Not being a "gimmy" person takes active effort, to look "out of the box" of your small world, to see its connections and needs of the whole. |
16-Jun-2013 |
10:35 AM |
|
1536 |
#Democracy is what we make it, "gimmy" people like us create "gotcha" governments, ignoring the interests of the whole. |
16-Jun-2013 |
10:31 AM |
|
No. |
text |
date |
hr |
|
1535 |
There's "NO STATUS QUO" for SD efforts to match, if endless economic expansion moves the goal posts ever faster too. #UN #HLP |
13-Jun |
12:41 |
|
1534 |
It only takes curiosity, to ask what really drives our cultures to ALL bet the bank on taking over the world?? |
12-Jun |
10:50 |
|
1533 |
Life'd be less frustrating if our cultures didn't ALL base their prosperity on taking over ever more of the world. http://t.co/61js2oqN7z |
12-Jun |
9:31 |
|
1532 |
Still, human arrogance and ignorance of life pervades, reading our images as realities rather than precious hints. http://t.co/LB9mW3sQ9c |
12-Jun |
12:07 |
|
1531 |
|||
|
1530 |
To #decouple #growth, could the value we add double 5 times a century (x32), when till now it was 2 times a century (x4)?? http://t.co/WBBK5aTtri |
10-Jun |
6:26 |
|
1529 |
If our ever #growing #solutions keep making things ever more unmanageable, it all gets more and more frustrating. http://t.co/iBxBwdcLZc |
10-Jun |
6:14 |
|
1528 |
People overlook great #INEQUITY comes from using power to take power, and will ONLY change by changing that game, with ONLY one fair way. |
10-Jun |
11:10 |
|
1527 |
Everyting horrid, as well as beautiful, needs a burst of energy and self-organization to get started! ... beautiful. :-) |
10-Jun |
10:59 |
|
1526 |
@Revkin @CarlPope If trees should make autocrats quiver, why do human minds seem to make nature quiver, our theories twisting her in knots. |
8-Jun |
1:03 |
|
1525 |
great vision - Silke Helfrich: "Economics and the Commons?! Towards a Commons Creating ...http://t.co/HURia7IY4r via @youtube |
1-Jun |
3:24 |
|
1524 |
Silke has a wonderful grasp of the whole diversity of ways people are exploring the commons. (@YouTube http://t.co/f8HpqLhl7S ) |
1-Jun |
3:24 |
|
1523 |
I liked a @YouTube video http://t.co/f8HpqLhl7S Silke Helfrich: "Economics and the Commons?! Towards a Commons Creating Peer |
1-Jun |
3:17 |
|
1522 |
@2015on #Post2015HLP - STILL... the deep flaw is talking about where to go without thinking how to get there, 'how' ALWAYS changes the goal. |
31-May |
4:00 |
|
1521 |
@2015on #Post2015HLP "having the money" ISN'T THE KEY but what you take it from.. as MORE MONEY is more spending and unsustainable impacts. |
31-May |
3:56 |
|
1520 |
@2015on #Post2015HLP High praises were given to engagement with Civil Society, but the discussion quite left out how to proceed. |
31-May |
3:52 |
|
1519 |
@2015on #Post2015HLP The report curiously omits the VAST cultural changes for "slow" adapting communities to compete with "fast" ones. |
31-May |
3:50 |
|
1518 |
@2015on #Post2015HLP "Building lasting prosperity" is a self-contradiction, if "prosperity" means growth of money and consumption. |
31-May |
3:45 |
|
1517 |
@2015on #Post2015HLP - If others used your money to consume other people's resources ever more, when would it cause trouble?https://t.co/QbCkhuAOvq |
31-May |
3:38 |
|
1516 |
@2015on #Post2015HLP - Where it breaks down is in "agreeing on how where to end..." having no idea how to get there. http://t.co/GmW9IwBesr |
31-May |
3:32 |
|
1515 |
@2015on #Post2015HLP - the real answer to MONEY.. at the limits the use of profit is owed to caring for the earth, not inflating power. |
31-May |
3:28 |
|
1514 |
@2015on #Post2015HLP Sadly, the report is still "Old Economics", a vision of how cooperation will erase the limits of the earth... |
31-May |
2:51 |
|
1513 |
@2015on #Post2015HLP An "agenda that is truly transformational" can't skip the steering problem of money, which has no "agenda" but MORE. |
31-May |
2:44 |
|
1512 |
@2015on #Post2015HLP Wonderful to feel "everybody in the same boat", but leaving out how our money can respond to sharing the earth. |
31-May |
2:41 |
|
1511 |
#2015on #post2015HLP - We're ignoring the link between money and natural limits. If what people spend on has natural limits, then so does money!! |
31-May |
2:34 |
|
1510 |
@2015on - If people agree, but misunderstand how growth results in more conflict at limits to the earth, our cooperating is a failure. |
31-May |
2:27 |
|
1509 |
#post2015HLP - If people agree, but misunderstand how growth results in more conflict at limits to the earth, our cooperating is a failure. |
31-May |
2:24 |
|
1508 |
Outreach Event on Post |
31-May |
2:12 |
|
1507 |
|||
|
1506 |
I liked a @YouTube video from @shoudaknown http://t.co/4iMog5kZPf Caregiving Purposes - a short scientific message for the UN on |
22-May |
7:34 |
|
1505 |
The science of observing how systems behave on their own, can be eye opening http://t.co/4iMog5kZPf |
22-May |
7:34 |
|
1504 |
|||
|
1503 |
I wonder, is "realization" a substitute for nature any time we like, or only when our minds are playing catch-up with nature?? |
19-May |
11:52 |
|
1502 |
Oh "solar shmolar"... you really can't use a new source of supply to resolve a problem of ever growing demand, you know. |
15-May |
11:25 |
|
1501 |
The internet is FREE!! [.. & devil's bargain] They just GIVE it all away [.. & steal you blind behind your back]. I LOOVE "free", too much. |
9-May |
1:03 |
|
1500 |
Who else saw "sustainable development" is a contradiction, and earth in the balance, asked really why we equate them? http://t.co/vmSxJnPFV7 |
7-May |
1:40 |
|
1499 |
Looking for what "Big Data" tells us?? Find where the flows begin, how NATURE integrates her 4D world without us. http://t.co/LV19ippbXc |
7-May |
12:08 |
|
1498 |
I like being in an empty church to feel its witness of our troubled lives. It's being with people there sending troubled messages that bother me. |
26-Apr |
8:40 |
|
1497 |
#innovateyourfuture What if deep poverty is caused by interruption of estab. cultures by incompatible innovation in & around them? |
24-Apr |
2:57 |
|
1496 |
@BrianLehrer #morningmediadiet (..ing) I sharply cut back on media trying to use media swarming for $, like WNYC's repeated efforts to do so |
23-Apr |
3:22 |
|
1495 |
@WorldwatchInst always combines the best sensible science and social thinking State of the World webcast Tuesday, http://t.co/bD7ImOBAlO |
15-Apr |
11:40 |
|
1494 |
So... we seem not to notice we design every business plan as a bomb going off, of exploding wealth..., and duhhh... bombs aren't stable! |
4-Apr |
5:23 |
|
1493 |
Is it profitable for investors.. to play on the ignorance of each other, the public and government, on what's profitable for the earth??? |
3-Apr |
3:25 |
|
1492 |
Hey, nothing wrong with our ever growing demands for services from the earth... well, except our parallel growing ignorance of making them. |
28-Mar |
10:26 |
|
1491 |
#Post2015 Decoupling - That's like being so efficient taking resources out of the ground the actual effect is to put them back in! |
27-Mar |
1:45 |
|
1490 |
#post2015 Decoupling? Just like taking the pipe out of the oil well and it keeps producing oil.. and burning it for energy and it makes no CO2! |
27-Mar |
12:43 |
|
1489 |
Difficulty counting? If a person looking at their hand counts their fingers, and says "one", you REALLY have to wonder how they did that! |
22-Mar |
2:16 |
|
1488 |
The UN wants to hear from YOU! on priorities for creating a better world. http://t.co/JiUjcLmkKt via @MyWorld2015 |
18-Mar |
8:03 |
|
1487 |
#Entrepreneurs need to know how the leading edges of change lurch forward. Still fresh, natural systems physics http://t.co/iR7y8KV6Xr |
12-Mar |
12:21 |
|
1486 |
@cjoh Or worse than polishing their slides, spending all their time making sure what their selling would work!! That's marketing poison! |
11-Mar |
4:23 |
|
1485 |
But WHY would you also be concerned if a strategy would work, done we just need it to sell?? |
11-Mar |
4:21 |
|
1484 |
"HEY! ...We're headed right for a tree!" |
11-Mar |
4:17 |
|
1483 |
Reply: Oh yes I do see. That's fascinating, but how can we keep speeding up?? |
11-Mar |
4:17 |
|
1482 |
"Well regulated militia" seems... in common language to equal "National guard", as discussions starting in 1810, http://t.co/cLoF0C0Suu |
11-Mar |
12:41 |
|
1481 |
The whole *NEVER* does what its average parts do, like puree, but what ALL the parts add up to, in which small differences are critical! |
6-Mar |
12:46 |
|
1480 |
Bad policy comes from social 'values', like "sustainability" used *SO SELECTIVELY* the effect is opposite of what our values would require. |
27-Feb |
1:51 |
|
1479 |
It's *emerging organization* in nature that causes shifts in "pressures and flows", for **indicators** of system change, *NOT* the reverse. |
26-Feb |
3:06 |
|
1478 |
A weird reality of SD is... we mostly don't count the impacts caused by paying others to do impacts for us! http://t.co/bfTCUMhpOa |
23-Feb |
2:52 |
|
1477 |
Our ever growing competition over shrinking resources is no plan for the future. One destroys us internally and the other externally!! |
23-Feb |
1:58 |
|
1476 |
It doesn't help to dream of our "getting back to normal" when "normal" is exactly what got us in all our trouble. http://t.co/2nUIOnvvTa |
20-Feb |
11:56 |
|
1475 |
RT @AmanSinghCSR: "90% of investors,whether theyre #ESG or #SRI are in the speculation game, not the #investment game" - John Fullerton, ... |
19-Feb |
11:47 |
|
1474 |
@SustainBrands @CSR_Leaders http://t.co/7XDgu9Nz Displays the WORST of partial reporting [of 10% that shows, ignoring 90% easy to hide]! |
18-Feb |
1:34 |
|
1473 |
@SustainBrands It's unfortunate but this kind of partial reporting is hopelessly deceptive, see comment: http://t.co/7XDgu9Nz |
18-Feb |
12:30 |
|
1472 |
To avoid becoming jaded, as life get's boring or a trap, you just need to realize there's always another side, and go find it. |
17-Feb |
1:56 |
|
1471 |
Thinking of the world in theory takes trying to define or control what can't be explained that way, everything self defined and controlled. |
17-Feb |
1:52 |
|
1470 |
#StateOfUnion Too bad Barack is so uninformed on how growth works, burning up the earth ever faster to earn and pay on ever growing debts. |
10-Feb |
2:12 |
|
1469 |
One interesting thing I found is that 'growth', as a natural process, ALWAYS violates its own purposes. ...but people don't notice it matters! |
2-Feb |
12:04 |
|
1468 |
Most people look for a world that doesn't violate their purposes. I was looking for how to live and not become jaded. http://t.co/J0MaWia1 |
2-Feb |
12:03 |
|
1467 |
So.. if we knew our energy use we can see is 1/10th of what we buy but don't see, would anyone start counting them?? http://t.co/lTXJMATn |
30-Jan |
8:27 |
|
1466 |
Can #capitalism avoid its ever growing crises by getting people drunk on their illusions again? It's often done so, to the end, it seems. |
26-Jan |
3:15 |
|
1465 |
Civilizations die when people keep following obviously wrong plans, persistently, decade after decade, as if reality was in their heads. |
21-Jan |
7:41 |
|
1464 |
@BarackObama Need big change in #violent #gun #culture? Study how violent gun cultures dramatically changed before. http://t.co/TOwijun0 |
20-Jan |
12:28 |
|
1463 |
Need dramatic change in #violent #gun #culture? Study dramatic cultural changes that occurred before. http://t.co/TOwijun0 |
20-Jan |
12:05 |
|
1462 |
"There's a much better way to understand "food addictions", and business use of unhealthy ingredients”¦" “” http://t.co/0plQGyjd |
17-Jan |
12:37 |
|
1461 |
|||
|
1460 |
A free market alternate to "capitalism", not for piling up money but for using it well, "collaboration" (co-labor-ation) http://t.co/j37cASSG |
14-Jan |
12:07 |
|
1459 |
Steadily improving human welfare on earth is a fact, dependent on ever faster depletion of our resources too. Hmmm... what next? |
14-Jan |
12:03 |
|
1458 |
What doesn't get heard, is how our business model needs ever more of everyone else's resources to work. http://t.co/MJW7AUaE |
13-Jan |
12:18 |
|
1457 |
Democracy was not created for a world where everyone chooses their own reality. That seems to turn it into Obsenity. |
3-Jan |
8:25 |
|
1456 |
@Revkin @CJR - Is it really the JOB of journalists to select what reality to present to attract their audience, or is that just natural?? |
3-Jan |
7:40 |
|
1455 |
@Revkin @CJR ... followed by... how ALL media ignore the pitfalls of selective science, airing only stories affirming their audience! |
3-Jan |
7:37 |
|
1454 |
@yvesbehar @Bill_Gross @darrenrovell @twitPic - OK, but peace comes from learning to sense and dance with the unfamiliar, not wishing |
1-Jan |
7:18 |
|
1453 |
So, why DO people treat "reality" as a social agreement?? Is it because people have found little else to go by? |
1-Jan |
7:12 |
|
1452 |
@Futura - What's so troubling about the hidden scale of outsourced energy use is it makes sustainability unsustainable. http://t.co/lTXJMATn |
31-Dec |
11:11 |
|
1451 |
@futerra Nice to think of as a party. It'll be a slow starter as reluctant as people are to facing troubling facts... http://t.co/lTXJMATn |
31-Dec |
11:07 |
|
1450 |
Democracy really works! It let the world agree on a smooth running economic system, for consuming the earth ever faster! Amazing success!! |
28-Dec |
12:25 |
|
1449 |
#Russia, Isn't banning the adoption of orphans a human rights offense? If Putin adopted it he'd lose his private US visa right then, no? |
28-Dec |
12:52 |
|
1448 |
Democratic decisions tend to fail whenever people have SHALLOW AWARENESS, acting as if the world was the picture and theory in their heads. |
27-Dec |
2:48 |
|
1447 |
Ecologies develop collaborative design if their parts steer clear of remote threats, and experiment with what's profitable, DEEP AWARENESS. |
27-Dec |
2:45 |
|
1446 |
Our "leadership of the free world" is sadly based on our success in being unaware of raping the earth for quick profits! Where to now boss? |
27-Dec |
2:40 |
|
1445 |
"If we want to stem violence, we need to begin stemming despair" Anatomy of a Murder-Suicide http://t.co/M3arwLMa - Be the one who listens! |
24-Dec |
12:12 |
|
1444 |
Lethal weapons are no game. Take life seriously. |
24-Dec |
3:37 |
|
1443 |
Pipeline censors unable to detect leaks...! NY Times http://t.co/j9Bd75b1 |
23-Dec |
12:39 |
|
1442 |
#Guns are NEVER EVER FOR PLAY. |
23-Dec |
12:28 |
|
1441 |
#Guns are NEVER EVER FOR PLAY. Ban the ownership of working guns for anyone owning them just for play, as a #DSM-V Sociopathic Disorder. |
23-Dec |
12:26 |
|
1440 |
@WNYC I don't know what else you call it but a rampant societal obsession with murder weapons. What't that really for??? |
22-Dec |
1:07 |
|
1439 |
@WNYC Are gun restrictions enough? Or do we need a less violence prone society? http://t.co/JxFxypEP |
20-Dec |
12:27 |
|
1438 |
The #NRA has many idealists as well as ideologues, but seems energized by a gun culture, for immature men with penis problems...! |
19-Dec |
2:16 |
|
1437 |
Our celebration of wild gun-fighting mayhem for fun, turns it into normal public speech. Then the wrong people see it as their way to talk. |
18-Dec |
1:54 |
|
1436 |
It's our popular cultures that celebrate military slaughter, as entertainment, that lets unbalanced people think it's legitimate expression. |
18-Dec |
1:24 |
|
1435 |
Our movies, gaming and popular cultures celebrate mayhem, and we mourn those then killed when its done for real. Too tragic to be contrived |
18-Dec |
1:10 |
|
1434 |
@Ethical_Corp - Funny thing with saving special places is then sacrificing all the ordinary ones, to our great tornadoes of money. |
17-Dec |
11:16 |
|
1433 |
Is what we're doing good enough for the earth? |
17-Dec |
11:11 |
|
1432 |
For ever growing risks, any one level might eventually be adapted to. It's the continual growing risks we face that are the real threat. |
17-Dec |
6:08 |
|
1431 |
The deathly choices of the "invisible hand" driving our world are hardly invisible,... in the common rule of money to be ever more selfish. |
17-Dec |
2:25 |
|
1430 |
Growth is invariably a swelling conquest, of resources others were already using, a death tax on everything we don't know to protect. |
17-Dec |
1:16 |
|
1429 |
The MAIN RESOURCES of continual "economic growth" also mine the resilience of human society and our use of the earth exponentially. |
17-Dec |
1:09 |
|
1428 |
"We don't know what #RISKS we over-estimate or we under-estimate", EXCEPT FOR THOSE OF PUSHING THE LIMITS OF OUR OWN RESILIENCE a break. |
17-Dec |
12:52 |
|
1427 |
Culture is the mark of a collective human experience, that can only exist if the parts also show marked empathy for the whole, unlike us. |
17-Dec |
12:40 |
|
1426 |
It shows *no empathy for mankind as a whole* to keep a consensus plan as we have *to prosper forever* growing like a cancer on the earth, . |
17-Dec |
12:28 |
|
1425 |
The one thing humans lack, keeping us from being honest about the morality of our lives, is empathy for the whole commons we're part of. |
17-Dec |
6:52 |
|
1424 |
The ecological cause of both more frequent mass murders and severe weather are the same, a society pushing everything to the point it breaks |
17-Dec |
6:50 |
|
1423 |
@HeleneFinidori @maxlath #GrowCommons would also be cells learning to value "feeding their body", a safe harbor being the service returned. |
16-Dec |
11:46 |
|
1422 |
@thinkprogress https://t.co/I4Lm7pKq |
16-Dec |
10:50 |
|
1421 |
It''s OUR SOCIETY that pushes us to ever rising scales of achievement, forcing us to our limits, and so DENYING EVERYONE A SAFE HARBOR. |
16-Dec |
10:49 |
|
1420 |
It's kind of tragic that humans so often have to feel complete ignorance is certain knowledge. |
9-Dec |
1:37 |
|
1419 |
Using creativity to find ever growing energy supplies, can only result in a more and more rapid natural end of supplies. |
1-Dec |
4:53 |
|
1418 |
Nice presentation of where energy markets are now going on energy technology, with a serious "fly in the ointment". http://t.co/yiYdP43a |
1-Dec |
3:59 |
|
1417 |
A cancer is a growth business that overstays its welcome, a "big success" act becoming a grand failure of purposes. |
1-Dec |
3:16 |
|
1416 |
We all mourn the loss of our trusted heritages, but also need to ask, Are we a worthy harvest of their seed? What have we become?? |
1-Dec |
2:26 |
|
1415 |
"Conservative" today became people with "outlandish complaints", replacing science and the meanings for words with political fictions. |
1-Dec |
2:13 |
|
1414 |
My parents and gran's were "very" conservative, hard working and respectful to all, people you could trust without question, old stock. |
1-Dec |
2:06 |
|
1413 |
Life is Learning... physics and economics are just dumb formulas, (&mostly wrong about life!). |
24-Nov |
4:42 |
|
1412 |
Now the computers make the products they can't use, and consumers borrow the money they can't repay, both programmed to maximize the profit. |
23-Nov |
5:06 |
|
1411 |
The thing about self-organizing systems is they develop as cells of accumulating organization: research http://t.co/DpjwBU9i @ComplexityInst |
23-Nov |
1:06 |
|
1410 |
Conceptual realities are magical, as mental constructs for invented subjects, that don't use space or energy or change over time. |
21-Nov |
9:47 |
|
1409 |
From Rebeca's vivid "four horsemen" to the transformation we seek, my comment #63 http://t.co/xaQSEWAu |
21-Nov |
4:02 |
|
1408 |
Rebeca Solnit's cool viewpoint on the source of our world "plague of crises" - as if understanding the natural science! http://t.co/jLDleAOM |
21-Nov |
3:45 |
|
1407 |
Once you control the whole earth, there's much less profit in having a system for conquering things, than in having one for caring for them. |
20-Nov |
4:51 |
|
1406 |
@Koann ..then we need to check to see how much information our information is giving us, and how to cover the gaps. http://t.co/lTXJMATn |
14-Nov |
1:11 |
|
1405 |
#SBLondon #Livestream - current state of corporate sustainability,Nov 27th-28th - inching toward the line of insight http://t.co/fkRlLlNM |
14-Nov |
1:08 |
|
1404 |
Investors benefit from a growing economy with people working less, so till they spend it(!!) => we get endless stagnation/decline. |
11-Nov |
11:56 |
|
1403 |
People who repeatedly claim victory after losing elections dangerously delude themselves, no?, after failing to deceive the public? |
8-Nov |
3:34 |
|
1402 |
@theshiftnetwork The transformation of the whole is a turning from multiplying to integrating, to remain profitable. http://t.co/M4jN8Mdy |
7-Nov |
9:51 |
|
1401 |
When you're in such real trouble, why keep relying on fantasy theory?? Using ever more stuff up really doesn't create plenty. |
2-Nov |
11:54 |
|
1400 |
Having more "superstorms" + ocean rise + resource exhaustion, (all very predictable) = an inability to recover from normal hazards. |
31-Oct |
10:17 |
|
1399 |
Well, Superstorm Sandy proves one thing, we don't need political nuts running the country! |
31-Oct |
4:32 |
|
1398 |
If you can't deliver, promise more and more and more! People love it! |
26-Oct |
3:06 |
|
1397 |
If the guy is OK with handling his strings, does it mean it OK to elect another puppet? The last one got elected and caused a disaster. |
23-Oct |
2:52 |
|
1396 |
For special interests it's easier to manipulate state governments, so natural for businesses to fund states' rights. |
19-Oct |
6:21 |
|
1395 |
Vote for their hidden agendas promises made. It's what both candidates believe is worth lying to everyone about to get elected... |
18-Oct |
6:04 |
|
1394 |
Honestly honey, BIG wishful thinking doesn't do any more than LITTLE wishful thinking... so you really don't need get hoards to do it. |
18-Oct |
6:01 |
|
1393 |
Economic growth... is like children playing hop-scotch, and needing ever bigger squares to land on. |
18-Oct |
11:03 |
|
1392 |
We'd all have guessed, but yes, even more empty and boring than the last. |
17-Oct |
2:23 |
|
1391 |
Oh gosh, the economy is intruding ever more rapidly on everything we care about. Quick, let's protect one or two favorite things! |
14-Oct |
1:24 |
|
1390 |
Entertainment is our government's most important product, and don't you forget it! It pays for *everything*. |
12-Oct |
2:35 |
|
1389 |
How do environmentalists resolve the inner conflict of flying long distance? New Physics.. Sustainability: How do envi”¦ http://t.co/FHgFLt1d |
10-Oct |
2:11 |
|
1388 |
BURN Radio Special: The Power of One http://t.co/q4g3qzyO |
8-Oct |
1:00 |
|
1387 |
Is "business" ever "pro-people", or just deeply conflicted? ..owned by profiting from our addictions till the earth quits. |
7-Oct |
11:46 |
|
1386 |
The chill of getting the truth generation defunded came naturally,... with giving the profits to big money. |
7-Oct |
11:39 |
|
1385 |
RT @NatureMagazine: Really disappointed to see a quality news outlet like @TheOnion break the embargo on our forthcoming beauty study: h ... |
5-Oct |
4:29 |
|
1384 |
Just curious, when referring to yourself is it as your whole body and presence at the moment, or as a mind in charge of making choices? |
4-Oct |
1:38 |
|
1383 |
What say? Shall we "kick the can down the road" over the cliff, profiting from depleting the earth ever faster all the way? |
4-Oct |
1:03 |
|
1382 |
It might mean clinging to the scars of the past only adds to your being misled, like returning to mistaken rules not learning from them. |
1-Oct |
1:14 |
|
1381 |
Is why so many generations of truth tellers suddenly started producing so many liars just thinking our information was reality? |
1-Oct |
12:42 |
|
1380 |
Policy is no quick fix, but a very slow cure. The learning of which ones make a better world and way to live takes time. |
1-Oct |
12:38 |
|
1379 |
How to solve for the main problem of systems science seems to be to just say “systems in nature” are not conceptual..." |
27-Sep |
1:56 |
|
1378 |
Two plainly showing "lost" truths. Our impacts on the earth always did and will grow parallel to GDP and $1 = 1 share. http://t.co/7rltOb0O |
26-Sep |
1:28 |
|
1377 |
Are we trusting in God to save the earth from our ignorance and greed, when evidently the test is if we will ourselves? |
26-Sep |
1:18 |
|
1376 |
It does matter what you use your wealth for, like for finding how stop using it for exhausting the earth, the path we're on. |
22-Sep |
7:09 |
|
1375 |
It's been over 50 years.. since making more money privately made more wealth for all. The tables turn naturally as we push the limits! |
22-Sep |
7:02 |
|
1374 |
In an environment that is less and less responsive, as in a woman's affections, investing in the opposite is often fatal. |
22-Sep |
4:27 |
|
1373 |
The word of God addresses such limited subjects, no word how nature works or us in it, as of "old sciences" not the knowing maker of all. |
22-Sep |
3:19 |
|
1372 |
For inequity in society, you ask if those investing in our future are making a good one and what's connecting the dots. http://t.co/myQHTqNR |
22-Sep |
2:04 |
|
1371 |
It's data showing nature connecting the dots, letting you trace the way those connections emerged. Equations to fit are just 'statistics'. |
22-Sep |
1:43 |
|
1370 |
Isn't there a problem having an economic system designed to explode forever, and having to devote more and more effort trying to keep it from blowing up? |
21-Sep |
5:15 |
|
1369 |
If you find a really insulting video in the trash, why send it to ALL your friends??? Isn't that a bit stupid? |
21-Sep |
12:33 |
|
1368 |
Reason is a world of information controlling information, (nature works another way, by organization building on organization) misleading. |
21-Sep |
10:27 |
|
1367 |
'Having a 'Knowosphere,' won't correct the misinformation on the 'Natureosphere' -NYTimes.com via @nytimes http://t.co/xPqYcdbi |
20-Sep |
1:03 |
|
1366 |
The message of our medium is we really think nature works by categories and opinions, not her self-organizing explosions of events... |
19-Sep |
11:37 |
|
1365 |
#Mitt's #brain - the working parts of nature seem so much like categories of accusations,... but aren't |
19-Sep |
10:47 |
|
1364 |
When the world has gone mad, leaders leave, on a better path to follow - The Goldruler Challenge MIX http://t.co/yDFWXrEA |
17-Sep |
1:36 |
|
1363 |
CULTIVATING 21st CENTURY CAPABILITIES MIX http://t.co/YGwiIhqF w/ Jessie H on natural systems show how ours should work. |
17-Sep |
12:57 |
|
1362 |
PURSUING RADICAL FAIRNESS MIX http://t.co/iSuuQczH via @sharethis w/ Jessie H comment on critical need for new financial commons. |
17-Sep |
12:54 |
|
1361 |
SYNDICATING THE WORK OF LEADERSHIP MIX http://t.co/E8WPIWGu via @sharethis w/ Jessie H comment on need for SEA as measurement tool. |
17-Sep |
12:52 |
|
1360 |
How would we end the market game of "multiplying mutual pick-pocket"? It's not "liquidity" but "robbery", good only for the pick pockets! |
16-Sep |
2:39 |
|
1359 |
What to do with "sovereign" powers, that are clearly "deluded", not "superior" in authority any way but in their own claim. |
16-Sep |
2:11 |
|
1358 |
Trusting "the data", both economists and environmentalists have *long* been *dealing with far less than half a deck* http://t.co/gGjM7KEN |
16-Sep |
12:35 |
|
1357 |
In taking the spoils for men raping the earth, as a "gift", it lets both off the hook to say "thanks, but we have to do right by these.." |
16-Sep |
12:04 |
|
1356 |
Then there's "life", the wheels get all the credit and the axles hold everything together.. |
16-Sep |
12:00 |
|
1355 |
What's cool about baseball, is win or lose, all the extraordinary individual performances moments of suspense. |
16-Sep |
11:59 |
|
1354 |
I feel like I'm completely surrounded by millions of brilliant Ptolemaic scholars, telling me ALL about their epicycles... |
15-Sep |
11:27 |
|
1353 |
Congressman @Ryan, you can be "right" all the time and still dead wrong about "attack dogs" ever learning how to run things. |
15-Sep |
12:11 |
|
1352 |
@HIPinvestor @SustainBrands another oddity for #NewMetrics, human capital sharply declining in real value since 1970..http://t.co/yjubfZNP |
15-Sep |
11:39 |
|
1351 |
@HIPinvestor @SustainBrands Interesting that over a day, solar PV cheaper & more efficient than solar thermal http://t.co/0bIwJRGy |
15-Sep |
11:33 |
|
1350 |
@Revkin @portereduardo If no one studies how the natural systems forming around us work, they sure won't for us. http://t.co/NexYcz4C |
15-Sep |
11:14 |
|
1349 |
So.. Idle money is owed ever growing returns for idle purposes... cuz?? it's a divine right of people who "play the game?" or something? |
15-Sep |
11:07 |
|
1348 |
News of "the commons" - getting the whole to work is emerging as a new paradigm of sustainability http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/06/07/the-news-of-the-commons/ Time to VOTE... |
7Jun, 2012 |
|
1347 |
http://lnkd.in/33Feu9 Helene, I think how your said it is great, if you just compact it a bit, and change enables to enable "Enable... |
7Jun, 2012 |
|
1346 |
http://lnkd.in/YJNXm7 Helene - Yes of course, What's most important would be a priority shortlist of coordinated actions. You might... |
7 Jun, 2012 |
|
1345 |
http://lnkd.in/_J2b7F T.A. - Yes, the co-evolution of modern culture and technology has been noticed by lots of people. Technology is... |
7 Jun, 2012 |
|
1344 |
http://lnkd.in/hfp25d Helene - I'm delighted you liked how I've been adding "the commons" to my way of describing how individuals... |
6 Jun, 2012 |
|
1343 |
http://lnkd.in/Jdv2Sh T.A. - What I think complicates the meaning we get from food chain cascades is that when Odum or Abel say "that... |
6 Jun, 2012 |
|
1342 |
http://lnkd.in/ZNMwah New article (on metrics) - 1st 3 pp's below... |
5 Jun, 2012 |
|
1341 |
http://lnkd.in/T4yGbA New article (on metrics) - 1st 3 pp's below... |
5 Jun, 2012 |
|
1340 |
http://lnkd.in/u_ZDsE Chandrashekar - That's a generous offer. It would be wonderful to have an observer's condensation of things. I'd... |
5 Jun, 2012 |
|
1339 |
http://lnkd.in/CT4UCF Peter - I for one largely agree with your view of the problem, that sustainability as a word and way to sell... |
5 Jun, 2012 |
|
1338 |
http://lnkd.in/dv9hW9 Thor -As I presented it, my idea that people will inevitably come to see the need to stop doing business with... |
5 Jun, 2012 |
|
1337 |
http://lnkd.in/hC4g7j Thor -As I presented it, my intent of saying people will inevitably come to see the need to stop doing business... |
5 Jun, 2012 |
|
1336 |
We got the votes: Needed: Paradigm Shift now on he agenda...http://shar.es/qD8pl See my comment at the bottom! |
5 Jun, 2012 |
|
1335 |
http://lnkd.in/Wa72px Nicolas - There's an interesting dichotomy between thinking of "the commons" as a place and as a way of working... |
4 Jun, 2012 |
|
1334 |
http://lnkd.in/wRCZjt David - the particular strategy of "conflict resolution" I'm pointing to with my http://RioDialogues.org proposal is... |
4 Jun, 2012 |
|
1333 |
http://lnkd.in/WKdyJK David - the particular strategy of "conflict resolution" I'm pointing to with my http://RioDialogues.org proposal is... |
4 Jun, 2012 |
|
1332 |
http://lnkd.in/8rN_Mp Bob, I guess I see a difference between engineers and scientists, that goes both ways. Scientists are mostly... |
3 Jun, 2012 |
|
1331 |
http://lnkd.in/eZQd6b David - Sure, ideology is a kind of "poison" for communication, as it draws a sharp line between allowed and... |
3 Jun, 2012 |
|
1330 |
http://lnkd.in/yvDyQc David - I think there are probably many ways to define 'the commons' as a word, and other ways to leave it... |
3 Jun, 2012 |
|
1329 |
http://lnkd.in/Mgmziv Helene - I think the easier way to define "the commons" is as the world we live in that people don't define, i.e.... |
3 Jun, 2012 |
|
1328 |
http://lnkd.in/qWReW3 Thorbjoern - The power issues do indeed persist, as you say "any form of self-governance (in which several parties... |
3 Jun, 2012 |
|
1327 |
http://lnkd.in/PUXR8P Helene - I think the easier way to define "the commons" is as the world we live in that people don't define, i.e.... |
2 Jun, 2012 |
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1326 |
http://lnkd.in/ctArJR Bob - Like most of the skeptics about the integrity of science you do seem to think science is like an argument,... |
2 Jun, 2012 |
|
1325 |
#Biomimicry link & support Biomimicry for Self-regulating Economy: A new economic paradigm, finally!https://www.riodialogues.org/node/245656 |
2 Jun, 2012 |
|
1324 |
#RioDialogues: link & support A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge, Biomimicry for Self-regulating Economy:https://www.riodialogues.org/node/245656 |
2 Jun, 2012 |
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1323 |
@HeleneFinidori ;-)) &link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3 |
2 Jun, 2012 |
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1322 |
@EarthSummit2012 link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3 |
2 Jun, 2012 |
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1321 |
#RioDialogues: link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3 |
2 Jun, 2012 |
|
1320 |
@dkorten link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating financial commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3 |
2 Jun, 2012 |
|
1319 |
For Rio Dialogues vote on directions for Sustainable Development, like away from competing interests to "the commons" https://www.riodialogues.org/node/240649#comment-29704 |
1 Jun, 2012 |
|
1318 |
http://lnkd.in/6HZ6KM Helene - great to see the progress and spread of interest in how to make the commons the centerpiece of... |
1 Jun, 2012 |
|
1317 |
@Earthsummit2012 A great omission from most lists of our great omissions... is ending the use of profits for ever multiplying investment. |
1 Jun, 2012 |
|
1316 |
http://lnkd.in/eBe96D Bob - The numbers I've seen for the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere are on the order of 200-300 years, with... |
1 Jun, 2012 |
|
1315 |
http://lnkd.in/g5DYjg Lewis - Isn't redefining the terms of metaphor and expecting it to still be valid is a bit crazy? Better to start... |
1 Jun, 2012 |
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1314 |
http://lnkd.in/iS9rp7 Lewis, That seems accurate as an example of fluctuating weather, but changing climate is an increasing temperature... |
31 May, 2012 |
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1313 |
http://lnkd.in/pzWkip Lewis - Why couldn't we easily monitor the input and output? Just simple satellite measurements seem to do it.... |
31 May, 2012 |
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1312 |
http://lnkd.in/UhFiAK Lewis & Bob, Maybe answering Bob's question will address both, asking me: "Does your starting point for global... |
30 May, 2012 |
|
1311 |
http://lnkd.in/kE9 _2m Lewis - Sorry, I didn't speak that way to be socially confrontational, but intellectually. Your last sentence is... |
30 May, 2012 |
|
1310 |
http://lnkd.in/4Pvr9n lewis, Except for your inability to separate fact from fiction I guess, you're actually quite wrong about climate... |
29 May, 2012 |
|
1309 |
http://lnkd.in/NQzbzb Lovis - As conceptual argument your approach sounds ideal, but conceptual models are always ideal. The reality... |
28 May, 2012 |
|
1308 |
http://lnkd.in/vcm5wf Well, lots of people did. Even JM Keynes predicted the growth system he designed would meet this kind of failure... |
28 May, 2012 |
|
1307 |
http://lnkd.in/jgCWZ9 There's a strange possibility that might give EU leaders the option to save the Euro now that we see it is clearly... |
27 May, 2012 |
|
1306 |
http://lnkd.in/pNW3Jp Mary - You're getting my general way of thinking exactly, to find a working model in nature of the systems... |
25 May, 2012 |
|
1305 |
C-Sections May Lead to Childhood Obesity - The Takeaway:http://bit.ly/KGKHkg - are the last days of pregnancy chemically important to life? |
25 May, 2012 |
|
1304 |
http://lnkd.in/4qXgq8 Vladimir - You say "If you imply that it is the scientific method that you rely upon to differentiate what you call... |
24 May, 2012 |
|
1303 |
http://lnkd.in/P2T8Tr I'd like anyone to comment on my competition entry for how to transform the economy, or ask questions for... |
24 May, 2012 |
|
1302 |
http://lnkd.in/3kq4bW T.A. - You ask "So if we abandon the old ways of chasing 'more efficiency of extraction' and look for alternatives,... |
24 May, 2012 |
|
1301 |
http://lnkd.in/6du7 As Regarding the growth crisis, my view is a bit on the line of Vladimir's suggestion: "Why defeat an evil empire -... |
21 May, 2012 |
|
1300 |
http://lnkd.in/g5f_Fk Vladimir - I guess my approach would be to carefully avoid reliance on deciding what reality is, as so state it as... |
21 May, 2012 |
|
1299 |
http://lnkd.in/ctb5k3 Mathieu - We certainly need graphic images to help explain ST, from various views, as that quote from Drucker... |
20 May, 2012 |
|
1298 |
http://lnkd.in/zqJFb5 Mary & T.A. & Ferenc - I think a lot of "mumbojumbo" is coming from the unstudied differences between the thinking... |
20 May, 2012 |
|
1297 |
http://lnkd.in/Cxb-Mw T.A. - You ask about my saying "Whole system study involves acknowledging that whole individual systems might... |
19 May, 2012 |
|
1296 |
http://lnkd.in/UeScgv David - Yes the intent behind any systematic way of thinking, and the blinders people bring to the inquiry as well,... |
18 May, 2012 |
|
1295 |
http://lnkd.in/8Yg6Zx David - Yes the intent behind any systematic way of thinking, and the blinders people bring to the inquiry as well,... |
18 May, 2012 |
|
1294 |
http://lnkd.in/EraZXE Vladimir - You say "Given that any efficiency assessment by a person hinges on the assessment of usefulness of all... |
18 May, 2012 |
|
1293 |
http://lnkd.in/hCtr4a It occurs to me that one of the things systems thinking may be best for is clearly defining problems that are quite... |
17 May, 2012 |
|
1292 |
http://lnkd.in/gN8xZ4 T.A. - Yes, there is some confusion to sort out... largely caused by the way the agreements within social networks... |
16 May, 2012 |
|
1291 |
http://lnkd.in/6xaSvR T.A. - Yes, there is some confusion to sort out... largely caused by the way the agreements within social networks... |
16 May, 2012 |
|
1290 |
Adopt natural system principles to keep economies profitable at their limits | Management Innovation eXchange http://shar.es/2R12T |
15 May, 2012 |
|
1289 |
@UNEP_FI You should like my proposal to transform capitalism, by investment funds becoming endowments for the earth.http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/05/10/natural-principles-to-stay-profitable-at-limits/ |
14 May, 2012 |
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1288 |
http://lnkd.in/jA7y_3 Mary - Capra's approach aims at bringing the economy to a stable climax as my approach also does, as necessary for... |
14 May, 2012 |
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1287 |
http://lnkd.in/QQXSQB David - No I'm not familiar with "ecological rationality" as a modeling concept. My usual method is to look at my... |
13 May, 2012 |
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1286 |
http://lnkd.in/KThUSc Lewis - Well, if you make a static model with liquid parts, that answers how to get it to flow, but does that loose... |
13 May, 2012 |
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1285 |
http://lnkd.in/tSjgvY I'm mystified why the biomimicry people seem as averse to "whole problem" kinds of systems thinking as the... |
13 May, 2012 |
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1284 |
http://lnkd.in/v-FAVZ Gene - what about ST as a continual partnership with nature, though, where the observer uses their models, not... |
13 May, 2012 |
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1283 |
http://lnkd.in/aqM6pV Gene - for my two cents, I'd like the general framework of discussion to include ST as including ways of getting... |
13 May, 2012 |
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1282 |
http://lnkd.in/aTVB7y David - The simplest "in a nut shell" description of my proposal is : "We should manage the world economy like... |
13 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/SV7YBi William - I'm delighted you like my site! My approach is usually thought of as a little esoteric, I think. I... |
13 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/KakYRx Tim - Examples of natural systems that develop by an explosion of energy use and new organization include 1)... |
13 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/5CeWkE I honestly think the evidence is very clear that the high expectations of Rio, whether people reach an inspired... |
12 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/_YP5kD Lewis - I'm glad you liked my way of describing system boundaries as "skin", to be used as something you can feel... |
12 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/vtd7fb Lewis - You say "solving mathematical problems in physics is at the heart and history of all definitions of ST that... |
12 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/2FHjkC Lewis - I'd certainly agree that there are systems that behave according to chaotic coupling principles. I would... |
12 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/REbN_q Jack - You define a,b & c as: "Any system manifests in up to three ways. a) as concept in a human mind, also... |
11 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/PvuG_z Lewis - you say "I agree that hierarchical patterns are easier to use, and not the perfect way to go, but until we... |
11 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/2jZPhv Gene - That nice video you linked,... |
11 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/JUEEUN Barry... I think my way of solving it should work for you. Yes there is no way of determining "objective reality",... |
11 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/T4V57A Barry, Rob Couldn't we do it BOTH ways, and in discussion switch back and forth between what you call a "construct... |
11 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/7GK8ZJ Jack - You recommend OpEMCSS (CAS) software for modeling and animating context-sensitive systems.... |
11 May, 2012 |
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It makes sustainability unsustainable, to not see money as co-constrained by physical goods and services, much the same limits! |
11 May, 2012 |
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I'm going to "Green Breakfast Club Sponsorship Levels"! Who's joining? http://www.amiando.com/vi/LOGWNJL via @amiando |
11 May, 2012 |
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"Green Breakfast Club" great resource for starting or advanced new green business ideas http://www.greenbreakfastclub.com/ |
11 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/2viEze Lewis & all - I think we need a way of being clear about the difference between ST as the study of models and as... |
10 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/p69Zm6 all - David's mention of his submission to the Long Term Capitalism Challenge offered by Harvard Business Review,... |
10 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/XUSghn Darius and Peter - You ask how to know what boundary identifies a system. There are different ways for doing it... |
9 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/fmBVDK Geoff - You seem to be a good person to ask given your range of studies. Have studied systems as individual units... |
9 May, 2012 |
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1262 |
http://lnkd.in/hbcMiZ Lewis - Your suggestion that I imitate Mandelbrot in co-authoring papers with others more familiar with particular... |
9 May, 2012 |
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1261 |
http://lnkd.in/t9KgZn You know, the thing I've always found funny about chaos theory, is the premise that a world full of changing... |
9 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/C8vQz6 Jack - It's kind of curious that even the extension of Maslow is just for bringing others to work on themselves,... |
7 May, 2012 |
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1259 |
http://lnkd.in/3gvPkq Barry - I hear your complaint about abstract models of systems not necessarily being useful for real problems. I... |
7 May, 2012 |
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1258 |
http://lnkd.in/wkwJxa David Hawk - Where I picked up Gunnar Hedlund's thinking was by being part of a group of friends in SGSR in the mid... |
7 May, 2012 |
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1257 |
http://lnkd.in/Cn_eFv Jack, I like what I see in the approaches of Schön, Novak & Wymore. Thanks. Wymore seems to be associated with... |
6 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/b-q3te David - I'd agree that having a focus on system memory in CES is an important distinction. Some of the effect of... |
5 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/QkswEu David, In relation to my "Natural Systems" view and "Total Environmental Assessment"(TEA) as a kind of action... |
4 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/W95xPZ David, In relation to my "Natural Systems" view and "Total Environmental Assessment"(TEA) as a kind of action... |
4 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/98R6th Jack, Thanks for the links. I am surprised I didn't first recognize Warfield on the list, of course, but glad to... |
4 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/AY6qS9 Gene - That's a good question, to ask: "while I get the sense of a loop I wonder why they talk about it being in a... |
4 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/_Y6wrR Jack - I'd like it if there was a common syntax for ST too. I gather that is what you're saying by asking "How... |
4 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/cPzF8h One problem with "Going Solid" that really must be looked at, is a kind of pernicious environmental problem. It's... |
3 May, 2012 |
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1249 |
http://lnkd.in/VCHA6P What about interpreting the difference between systems dynamics and systems thinking as, SD being the study of... |
3 May, 2012 |
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1248 |
http://lnkd.in/4k55cZ Lewis - I'm backlogged, but from your latest post I think these are quoteable! "the need to think of it... |
3 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/ZuK7h7 Helene - Bonnita and you both seem to speak of your own observations on naturally occurring creative processes. To... |
2 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/bbn9B4 Jack - You asked: "Re:"...but also of differences between those and what *model* systems are able to faithfully... |
1 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/gYVerV Ferenc - You say "we are all led in the forst with no compass at all, no sun out, no way to get out of the maze.... |
1 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/VE7-qZ Helene, I did, but then realized that my view, that contrasts with the popular one, would not be possible to... |
1 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/4kqtji Gene & David, David said "that being the case and since I absolutely don't want the article to be a representative... |
1 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/Na2BwY Lewis - There's a catch I find in saying "the inherent process is quantum based". The catch I see that QM was... |
1 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/JycK76 Lewis - I'd agree, that synthetic systems seem to only exist in virtual reality. What tells me that is importantly... |
1 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/hJm4mg Jessie Henshaw o Ferenc David - The examples of larger scales of systems like "a forest", that interact with other... |
1 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/mk7vr5 Ferenc David - The examples of larger scales of systems like "a forest", that interact with other systems on their... |
1 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/T4gGdr Jessie Henshaw o Jack - [note edit] I think that's a very good addition to what I was saying. It's not just a... |
1 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/rdwHHf Jack - I think that's a very good addition to what I was saying. It's not just a problem of differences between... |
1 May, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/Nsih4u What about the indefinable, but often evident, difference between natural physical relationships between things and... |
30 Apr, 2012 |
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1235 |
http://lnkd.in/eSfj82 Gene David - [note edits] I think the confusion the public experiences with either systems dynamics or systems... |
30 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/wryiCV George Your ask "Is systems thinking almost a massage?" I'd say a lot of massaging seems to go on in human... |
30 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/sV5PgV Gene David - I think the confusion the public experiences with either systems dynamics or systems thinking is... |
30 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/Rrb_Wv Gene Peter - Yes, that is a very nice way to break it down, and come to the question "AND so what's the answer?".... |
30 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/qxiZqe Ferenc - So I would agree and simplify it a bit, saying that we have a familiar syntax for language that we learned... |
30 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/vf2ufA Ferenc - My last post responding to David says more about "self-defining" as a property of objects of nature, as... |
29 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/xbQJFx David - I think of "system boundaries" in two ways. One is the "physical boundary" of a system. It's... |
29 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/sZZdHr David - I keep trying to point directly to what I see as the "failures of foresight" that justify your "sense the... |
29 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/DgNVaE David - What I described as a systemic problem, apparent in the tragedy at the Somerset Dam, does generally fit... |
28 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/XSn8K3 Ferenc - I think in saying "In principle all search is a waste and is needed beacseu of a total disorderly state of... |
28 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/-hCkXk T.A. - you may be right about Aristotle advancing case based learning, which would show a more practical bent than... |
28 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/y7g2hf David - You certainly have a point about criticizing Aristotle, as his language and issues were so different that... |
28 Apr, 2012 |
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1223 |
http://lnkd.in/MwsMAJ Well... there's a simply tremendous amount of knowledge represented by the gaps in one's knowledge. It takes a... |
28 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/vM6Ytr Ferenc - Well, the most common words that connect to nature are words that are defined by the self-defining object... |
28 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/y8rQP3 David - In looking for books on Total Systems Intervention I found Robert L. Flood's books, and that he teaches at... |
28 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/EdCjxq Darius - I was talking about behavioral knowledge, how we use highly sophisticated primitive emotional calculus for... |
27 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/4YFN8q There seem to be a lot of off topic posts. Should this page be used to discuss need for transforming our use of... |
27 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/z3r6pG Ferenc - Yes, there is a "great clutter" of purported forms of knowledge "knowledge representations basically... |
27 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/fNf3mf Darius - You say "To find the common ground we have to go back in time to pre-human times. So far there has been a... |
27 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/2b6F7z Ferenc - You seem to think of "search" as "random". That is indeed a big waste of energy for the results you get,... |
27 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/GYheYQ David - I haven't had a chance yet to study Burns' work, but I would quite strongly agree with the need to... |
27 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/Vw3YDr T.A. David - It seems Aristotle's use of "Phronesis, or practical wisdom, he contrasted with episteme (conceptual... |
27 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/KSGRgq David You say "I would argue that an ecological narrative is much better. It shows how organisms start as members... |
26 Apr, 2012 |
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1212 |
http://lnkd.in/aXYCDZ Kamran - You say having different schools of systems thinking, with different perspectives, could be constructive,... |
26 Apr, 2012 |
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1211 |
http://lnkd.in/RD7_2B Jack - You asked "pls tell me the relatonship between your right foot and the concept, system, and I may be able to... |
26 Apr, 2012 |
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1210 |
http://lnkd.in/Wbhg5k karthikeyan and Lewis, What about using the natural language term "invasive" for describing systems that grow at... |
26 Apr, 2012 |
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1209 |
http://lnkd.in/y-qb3H Ferenc - I think what Helene and I are trying to do is offer a way to talk to people who usually think of their own... |
26 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/vyMEtu Lewis - I think you're unusual in conceptualizing science as what it should be, using models to help us discuss the... |
26 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/pgcvxp I'm surprised the difference between models, as sets of abstract of rules for numbers, and self-organizing physical... |
26 Apr, 2012 |
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1206 |
http://lnkd.in/hMavhb Helene, I just noticed your comment three days ago about systems having an inside and appearing as a sphere from... |
26 Apr, 2012 |
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1205 |
http://lnkd.in/sVYyqX Well, if models are so capable of representing open systems in nature, how come we have a world economic system... |
25 Apr, 2012 |
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1204 |
http://lnkd.in/BKq3TV Jack - So, when you say "it might be useful to remember that 'natural' systems are only human models of what's... |
25 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/f7ffr9 Gene, One big thing models seem unable to do is duplicate the flowing "everywhere at once" process of continual... |
25 Apr, 2012 |
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1202 |
http://lnkd.in/VwBswf David - I don't understand the methods you refer to as well as some, but have done a lot of research on how to... |
25 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/AgXYNk Helene, The more direct reason I seem to be on a campaign against efficiency is really for another reason than it... |
25 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/mBFTtr To have much meaning, doesn't a "systems model" need to refer to, as by exemplifying, some individual or group of... |
24 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/Qdnqsn Joe S. - I don't think you quite get my premise. I'm not saying that there is only one correct understanding of... |
24 Apr, 2012 |
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1198 |
http://lnkd.in/CSwcSy Over the years I've started looking more at the common omissions of the "great" thinkers, and finding that quite... |
24 Apr, 2012 |
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1197 |
http://lnkd.in/ApCwwS Well, for "root causes" I first look at two things, if I can trace the issue back to some origin, and then... |
24 Apr, 2012 |
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1196 |
http://lnkd.in/vFCT7z Lewis, it has always seemed to me that the easiest definitive way to state the length of a piece of string is 100%. |
24 Apr, 2012 |
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1195 |
http://lnkd.in/c-g5pr Well... Blodget does overlook that for our present circumstance Keynes actually would have called for something... |
24 Apr, 2012 |
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1194 |
http://lnkd.in/GuxYJ2 Sometimes considering both the "inside view" and the "outside view" of the same thing helps expose important... |
24 Apr, 2012 |
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1193 |
http://lnkd.in/7PaB9t John K., I'd agree that "growth is an emotive word" in how most people use it. In particular people often don't... |
23 Apr, 2012 |
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1192 |
http://lnkd.in/C563a8 Ferenc - You said to Helene, "Therefore I see humanity as the disease, but as we are successulf as parasites and... |
23 Apr, 2012 |
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1191 |
http://lnkd.in/w-r-Pp John K. - You say to Farenc "start with better questions" . I think that also requires starting with better... |
23 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/gVrems William - Thanks so much for the support!! Still, that there might be "fundamental differences between how models... |
22 Apr, 2012 |
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1189 |
http://lnkd.in/9BfV8x John K. - You ask, "what are you going to monitor them with x or gamma rays?". I gather you're referring to... |
22 Apr, 2012 |
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1188 |
http://lnkd.in/MnMheG Helene - Yes, I do have a particular method behind what you liked, saying: "I like your idea of closely watching... |
22 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/pWTtvs T.A. I like your quote from Sterman but question whether he quite read it himself sometimes! I've had a few... |
21 Apr, 2012 |
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1186 |
http://lnkd.in/MGh-pd Lewis, From what I understand about chaos theory it's about probabilities in a conceptual phase space, rather than... |
20 Apr, 2012 |
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1185 |
http://lnkd.in/PCmmFV John K. - Right, some models are miraculously accurate in predicting natural phenomena, but prediction still isn't... |
20 Apr, 2012 |
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1184 |
Like... is thinking it's OK to do evil to others so long as we profit ourselves a mark left by our domestication as slaves in ancient past? |
20 Apr, 2012 |
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1183 |
America would be great, if people weren't so totally misinformed. Our culture just doesn't teach us to learn by observation, just hearsay! |
20 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/By2YG9 John K. - Why do you think systems in nature work by models? Clearly WE generally think of systems *as our... |
19 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/U7WY8w Peter - I wish I knew how to respond more briefly, but you pose such interesting questions! I think the problem... |
19 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/2h98U5 John - but.. is there any evidence that nature actually works by models, or is it just specially evolved... |
19 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/zxqKnT John & Lewis - One of the added handicaps for computation as a model of nature is the natural lack of data for... |
19 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/-qqpGt lewis The engaging question is on this thread, is the UN call for revolutionary thinking, to find an economic... |
19 Apr, 2012 |
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1177 |
http://lnkd.in/e4FC-w lewis Right, one of the more easily noticed differences between equations and nature is nature shows constantly... |
18 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/uB4AYY Thorbjoern Sorry if I mixed up your view and that of the book you were reviewing... Oops! I think the moral... |
18 Apr, 2012 |
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1175 |
http://lnkd.in/PPg8c9 Lewis C. If what you're saying is that one's math is only as good as the question about the real world you're... |
17 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/wqMg49 TA - For development processes you can physically change the sign of a growth rate with little physical strain,... |
17 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/CxrWQ8 Thorbjoern You say the study consisted of "several runs based on different constellations of policy assumptions... |
17 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/vbP-id T.A. Balasubraminian - I do like Bardi's take on it. My report on the 40th anniversary meeting (in DC on Mar 1)... |
17 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/g38Abu Gene B - What Kuhn actually said was that learning of new paradigms occurs by new generations replacing old, rather... |
17 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/TqRirv Peter B - Your concluding remark helps detail my view of co-existent "ways of thinking", saying: "Each approach, or... |
17 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/w-zAb7 Barry L - But if you look at it objectively, your statement could be a candidate for the kind of socially defined... |
17 Apr, 2012 |
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1168 |
http://lnkd.in/3MtuTb Lewis not sure what your reference is when saying "nothing could be further from the truth" directly following my... |
16 Apr, 2012 |
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1167 |
http://lnkd.in/myBpm7 Gene, I proposed a systemic perspective in my above comment, that of a changing natural world with human society... |
16 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/P3ctSN John, But we still live on the same planet, even if we see different realities. I think you realize what I'm... |
16 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/Erq6aB To me "transcending paradigms" means somehow finding a way to violate T.S. Kuhn's observation that scientists just... |
16 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/zed8uK Well, I understand economics too. I'm proposing that because of how we changed the planet it would be more... |
16 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/p3yAJ7 Perhaps the "revolutionary thinking" needed would be a finite investment plan for society, rather than an ever... |
16 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/VFfchS So I'll suggest to Aleks to look up your concept of "original systems" in you trilogy. I work from a theorem I... |
16 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/fEZNaW So I'll suggest to Aleks to look up your concept of "original systems" in you trilogy. I work from a theorem I... |
16 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/F3gRss Maybe you know my Slovenian friend Aleks Jackulin, a data miner and info theorist who has worked with me.... |
16 Apr, 2012 |
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@adolfzizek Maybe you know my Slovenian friend Aleks Jackulin, a data miner and info theorist who has worked with me.http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~jakulin/ |
16 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/G3KsEZ Well, a model help keep you from having to start from scratch all the time, like a template of good questions to... |
15 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/yyegtY Really great that you see that. It leaves me at the perennial impasse, though, stuck in a scientific all but... |
15 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/F_k3Jg More accurately, I studying the kinds of important things nature's systems do physically, that models (and model... |
15 Apr, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/tishat Thanks. That's further than the great majority of theorists will go in recognizing the natural limits of theory.... |
15 Apr, 2012 |
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1154 |
http://lnkd.in/DYreTh I'm just asking how you connect your conceptual models of relationships to the real ones in our world. I know Bohr... |
13 Apr, 2012 |
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1153 |
http://lnkd.in/r6GX62 Well, yes, sure. That defines your study as being one of models, and not one of the subjects of interest in... |
13 Apr, 2012 |
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1152 |
http://lnkd.in/fKMmDS That is... until you try to make it a mapping between a model and some subject of interest in the natural world,... |
13 Apr, 2012 |
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@giyom It's in how savings are not used unless putting money in to take more out is promised, net returns vary but that drives the whole. |
10 Apr, 2012 |
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Getting bigger ever faster... still the gold standard sustainability plan for post modern business, what the public wants...! |
9 Apr, 2012 |
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1149 |
@Adbusters - A new model of living sure to survive & enrich more than most is being a boundary spanning link between many social networks. |
9 Apr, 2012 |
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Truly smashing Ausi records. In one place, the LOW recorded on day was higher than the existing RECORD HIGH for March!http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1057&message=41007115 |
8 Apr, 2012 |
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What to regulate and what not... an endless question.http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558748_10150658804081275_177486166274_9728204_1140150600_n.jpg |
8 Apr, 2012 |
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Trees are at least a renewable resource... Computers may not be. A dependence on ever more efficient depletion of non-renewables has an end. |
1 Apr, 2012 |
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Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H6bc2a |
1 Apr, 2012 |
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Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H6b030 |
1 Apr, 2012 |
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Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/HbHwDF |
1 Apr, 2012 |
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Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H5A4Hs |
1 Apr, 2012 |
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@Revkin @malekanoms - What's usually missing when people see one curve causing another is why the environment might do that now & not before |
30 Mar, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/YidQZy There's a problem with the data collecting strategies for complex system models. None seem able to crack the... |
26 Mar, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/Bk63qq Simple examples of self-organization like those really help. The common habit of explaining everything with... |
25 Mar, 2012 |
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http://lnkd.in/kgTqxm To complement that, one should also be aware of important modeling issues not often discussed in the math texts... |
23 Mar, 2012 |
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Commented on Going for Brokered? - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/xFfLWo |
18 Mar, 2012 |
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Those flurries of disruptions that seem to come from nowhere? All come from needing to rely on unreliable things we never needed to before. |
13 Mar, 2012 |
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Somehow people don't get it, that its the cosmos that is on fire, and humans minds just dreaming, *not the reverse*. |
13 Mar, 2012 |
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1134 |
"No tomorrow"... a new high standard in "peak everything" films.http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theres-no-tomorrow/ |
13 Mar, 2012 |
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1133 |
@rupertposner ..Perhaps not including all the out sourced energy used to make renewable energy and deliver out sourced goods and services.. |
13 Mar, 2012 |
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1132 |
@Grist ...more secrets on shale gas and escalating energy price volatility http://grist.org/natural-gas/natural-born-drillers-why-shale-gas-wont-end-our-energy-woes/ |
12 Mar, 2012 |
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1131 |
http://lnkd.in/BahcqD There's another way that rediscovering "orphaned ideas" can be seen as critical to economic recovery. There's a... |
9 Mar, 2012 |
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1130 |
http://lnkd.in/tqX-_3 There's another way that rediscovering "orphaned ideas" can be seen as critical to economic recovery. There's a... |
9 Mar, 2012 |
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1129 |
math intuitive thinkers can feel, and imagery mathematical thinkers can reason http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/03/08/with-endless-exploding-energy/ |
9 Mar, 2012 |
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1128 |
@growthbusters Grantham points to resource loss to trump Buffet's denial, but wrong idea of how investors guide change.http://www.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInvestMoment-PH.pdf |
2 Mar, 2012 |
|
1127 |
http://lnkd.in/cM25BY Dave and Domenico, As a senior architect I've found the creative challenge is discovering what the particular piece... |
28 Feb, 2012 |
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1126 |
http://lnkd.in/am-ZNr Yes, early insights are often lost. But moral logic aside, does any amount of "sympathy" or "empathy" remove the... |
28 Feb, 2012 |
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1125 |
Ethical Analysis of Disinformation Tactics: Reckless Disregard, Focus On Unknowns, Specious Claims, Front Groups. http://j.mp/ysuXtB |
27 Feb, 2012 |
|
1124 |
Ethical Analysis of the Climate Change Disinformation Campaign: Introduction to A Series. http://j.mp/zZXagm |
27 Feb, 2012 |
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1123 |
http://lnkd.in/d4BEjB Well, the biggest hazard is making blind choices based on your theory, whatever it is, rather than choosing to be... |
27 Feb, 2012 |
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1122 |
http://lnkd.in/XHGNXm One of the troubles with innovation for finding new solutions for ones that have stopped working is how that... |
26 Feb, 2012 |
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1121 |
http://lnkd.in/D8dqdW Why people see growth as a magical process, as if only depending on blessings of some god or a sacred manifest or... |
22 Feb, 2012 |
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1211 |
lnkd.in/D8dqdW Why people see growth as a magical process, as if only depending on blessings of some god or a sacred manifest or... |
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1210 |
and... so, I think *that seems to solve everything*! |
21 Feb 2012 |
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1209 |
@Ethical_Corp @CapInstitute @postgrowth @shareabledesign The message is.. unethical profits multiply unethical influence, and we're silent. |
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1208 |
We"aid" the banks, no message attached, who just use it to take ever more, multiplying our risks and their influence again. The message is? |
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1207 |
@postgrowth @shareabledesign Ever
wonder why profitable unethical behavior gains ever growing influence,
and that of self-restraint doesn't? |
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1206 |
@postgrowth @beyondGreenUK Some
day we'll find, prospering by taking control of ever more of everything
else, is what others are doing too. |
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1205 |
lnkd.in/p_d9Am From reading the methodology it seems Tweets were linked by referring to links with the NY Times. That's possibly... |
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1204 |
lnkd.in/vyTBX5 That graphic is great, and will help popularize this approach. It was originated by Barabasi, who I'm sure gets... |
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1203 |
When investors just skim profits to multiply good bets, they're not investing in anything, but picking the pockets of a compliant world. |
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1202 |
True investors don't take the world's profits to multiply their own, but spend their returns to support, not tax, what they care about. |
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1201 |
It's confusing at first but then helps, how all "rules of life" and "laws of science" are made local, to the system of nature they're in. |
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1200 |
Building things up is a solution till you get to where they fall over, when reality becomes as unstable as our information often is anyway. |
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1199 |
@donmacca If
it's not a lack of hard work, but increasing resistance from the earth,
it's the greedy needing "Om" to find peace another way. |
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1198 |
It's NOT a lack of hard work, by anyone. It's *increasing resistance* from the earth. More hard work doesn't solve, just makes worse. |
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1197 |
So, is that how this works, everyone gets to live their own fantasy life while our world dies? Society is clearly fiddling while Rome burns. |
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1196 |
What America truly wants is "Clean horsepower, that burns up the road". Is that scale of detachment the scale of loss ahead, 80% or so?? |
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1195 |
If we don't use our creativity to reinvent the idea of profit, it's as certain as gravity that what we've been building won't survive. |
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1194 |
What nature actually likes is not our social values, but a growing process of building things that turns to preserving what was built. |
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1193 |
That investor choice, to preserve the whole rather than enrich themselves, actually ends up being more profitable, why nature likes it. |
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1192 |
Where growth doesn't end in tragedy it's using profit to look for growing profit that turns to preserving the whole, an investor choice. |
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1191 |
On any planet, for any species, searching for profit that multiplies profit brings wealth to all with a high risk of impoverishing all. |
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1190 |
@ecomagination The
best way to waste good ideas is to multiply them till your environment
fails. - mankind's most ancient misconception - |
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1189 |
@giyom Of
course, growth to a tragic end isn't from all bets remaining positive,
but people finding positive bets to multiply till all fail. |
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1188 |
Exactly how we bet on the earth being infinite is investing for ever growing profits, a formula for cancers that ends in killing their host. |
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1187 |
@Revkin The
one tsunami the #AAASmtg doesn't
explore, though, is our own ever growing wave of investment in the earth
being infinite. |
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1186 |
@giyom What
seems to break any trusted currency is giving people what they want, a
guarantee of sure bets so their savings can multiply. |
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1185 |
@thinkprogress Yes,
stimulus worked again to restore our growing depletion of the earth, a
10,000 year track record of great success!! ;-) |
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1184 |
It's harder to find out what it is that allows our whole society to so peacefully sleep through our exhaustion of the earth. |
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1183 |
Tragic, but it's being "innovative" that has us sustaining our increasing rate of resource depletion, thinking we're creating resources... |
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1182 |
@nelderini @postcarbon What's
new on "peak everything" is why the economy hits it as a whole, with
internal conflict.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves…
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|
1181 |
The Greeks made mistakes but are being screwed, too. All lose bigger if bond holders don't spend their profits instead of taking ever more. |
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1180 |
@thinkprogress Why
investors were taxed less than labor was that multiplying investment in
consuming the planet once seemed very productive. |
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1179 |
What to do if you just don't want to support the "plant your seed to multiply seed till our host dies" lifestyle, we use for prosperity? |
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1178 |
@thetakeaway Why is it the Catholic church saying it can impose it's religious law, as if Sharia, on its employees? Are they confused? |
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|
1177 |
@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute Yes,
exactly. The motive for "big money" is how profit taking to take more is
itself becoming unprofitable. |
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1176 |
@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute Most investors confuse it as taking profits from one thing, to then take ever more from something else...! |
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1175 |
@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute To be viable, everything needs to make a profit, but not to multiply, and so stress any environment. |
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1174 |
@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute To correct the scaling errors of capitalism, profits aren't used to grow profits, if the earth is stressed. |
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1173 |
@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute .. I think to "scale it up" as you want, you'd add to it what corrects the scaling errors of capitalism. |
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|
1172 |
@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute The
rub is "how can this be scaled?" is what capitalism solves, with ever
scaling benefits now the problem. |
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|
1171 |
Isn't it odd, how "the thing in our heads" creates a whole world of its own, not seeing the inside of ANYTHING else on earth to do it? :-) |
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|
1170 |
@Revkin Our
thinking STILL counts "no direct evidence" as "no evidence", though
clear untraced effects are ENORMOUS.synapse9.com/SEA
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|
1169 |
@InvasiveNotes ...And
the "invasive species" to watch is "us". SO struck by the realities we
observe, caring ONLY about our beliefs. |
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|
1168 |
Anyone can see our mental reality isn't nature's, but telling how when we act on our thinking but BUT DON'T EVEN WATCH NATURE'S, is SO hard! |
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|
1167 |
We seek SUCH valid dreams with SUCH invalid methods, SEEING reality but, but then CONFUSING it with magical ideas in our heads, WHEN ACTING. |
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1166 |
So much good to do, harm to correct, friendship and learning to enjoy, but we consume everything useful on earth ever faster, to serve it??? |
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|
1165 |
Isn't it strange?? China is furiously trying to "CATCH UP" by rapidly building out a whole economy of quite outmoded high energy technology! |
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1164 |
It *seems* that natural systems created by their own growth have no internal design or behavior, but *it's only quite hidden* from our view, |
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1163 |
A GLIMMER OF HOPE when even big scientific journals start to talk about reality; how changing the earth changes us.ourfiniteworld.com/2012/02/12/thr… |
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1162 |
What goes wrong when growth ends before its limits ?synapse9.com/signals/2012/0… |
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|
1161 |
Words let you say *such big things*, knowing nothing about them. The older and larger language of life is in "doing", 99.9% lost to words. |
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1160 |
Gender is also one of those subjects important to an information society, about which there is still much more to "do than say" reality. |
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|
1159 |
Part of how self-managing systems work inside, is to respond naturally as their plan for growth becomes unmanageable, to stop following it. |
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|
1158 |
How the design we chose for our economy is like a cancer is in it's design to grow as fast as possible till it kills its host, and itself. |
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|
1157 |
Having essentially no information on how the self-managing systems of nature work, we inadvertently designed our economy like a cancer. |
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|
1156 |
The real error is thinking our information tells us how the world works, *entirely missing* how self-managing systems are organized inside. |
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|
1155 |
My having SO much fun finding the errors letting us destroy the earth, doesn't make up for the isolation of having to watch it happen. |
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|
1154 |
Could technology be an ever entertaining game of learning about the planet instead of like now, an ever entertaining game of burning it up? |
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|
1153 |
@Revkin The
"reality math" of #KXL CO2
reveals one of many, all showing outsourced energy impacts ~x4 what's
measured.synapse9.com/SEA
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|
1152 |
lnkd.in/s6QEVF Well, it presses the credulity of intellectuals more than informal thinkers. There's a very interesting property... |
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|
1151 |
@Ethical_Corp It's
a BIG ethical challenge is resist addressing traceable harms and neglect
growing ones that aren't.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…
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|
1150 |
lnkd.in/EdfiBB Would you like a real discussion of how and why our economies became designed for a different kind of planet than... |
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|
1149 |
@Revkin If
nature listened to our values, we'd have a different world. There's no
way she can speed things up for us to slow them down tho. |
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|
1148 |
@Revkin Maybe
my problem is most everyone speaks as if nature is a social phenomenon,
as if "nature is listening" and all we need is belief. |
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|
1147 |
@Revkin You
don't see the "green faith" in speeding up the economy to slow its
growing impacts as "lost opportunity"?synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl…
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|
1146 |
@ClimateReality Check
the 4x "reality math" for facts. True CO2 footprints need all the
outsourced fuel uses too.synapse9.com/signals
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|
1145 |
Expecting growth in a shrinking world makes sense only to the senseless. It asks nature, "Oh could we please have ever growing conflict?" |
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|
1144 |
@johnmsmart Found 2008 blog post, of letter to you with no address - Multilevel selection in evolution – Devo-evo?synapse9.com/signals/2008/1… |
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|
1143 |
All it causes... is *missing so much* of what's happening, saving the earth then positively accelerates our failures.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0… |
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|
1142 |
"Who would care" if there was a perfectly practical way to do it, from observing natural successions, and that theory is all in our heads. |
|
|
1141 |
Just not studying how real processes emerge seems *so much simpler*. Our mental models are too simplistic and missing most of the data too! |
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|
1140 |
"Scientists unconcerned" by real systems too hidden to record and too evolving to model "Sure we see them, but just study theory instead" |
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|
1139 |
One proof is in how OUR systems work, guided by self-interest, misled into destroying the earth, believing nature follows our theories. |
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|
1138 |
SO MUCH IS HIDDEN inside systems that work by themselves, it's unscientific to treat nature as working by our theories.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0… |
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|
1137 |
@InvasiveNotes @CBSNews Well...
in that odd sense, that terrorism is really intended as "people power"
and we usually don't like the people. |
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|
1136 |
The "reality math" says the ONLY way these big financial bailouts actually work, is for bond holders to then SPEND their restored profits. |
|
|
1135 |
But if all around you are people who believe the world is a creation of their own consciousness, don't you have to just agree with them? |
|
|
1134 |
With every business needing ever growing shares of the earth, I guess we now all agree, the ultimate good &evil are one and the same thing. |
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|
1133 |
@newscientist Ohi! The blame game goes in circles. Why the Earth Summit is doomed is because of us, expecting gov & biz to stabilize growth. |
|
|
1132 |
@Revkin Yea,
why did we not design more secure software? Is it not possible, or just
not imaginable for whole nations to be so dishonest! |
|
|
1131 |
Still confused. Why does "religious freedom" relieve religious employers of the need to protect the religious freedom of their employees? |
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|
1130 |
Isn't it odd, our world choice of ever bigger and more complex solutions for still faster growing problems as our path to peace & security? |
|
|
1129 |
Even today, 2012, a hundred years late, almost no one sees why the earth wouldn't as infinite as ideas, with our options visibly vanishing. |
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|
1128 |
@Revkin - The rub.. is productivity has been exhausting resources faster than new productivity creates them, driving a loss of opportunity. |
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|
1127 |
@Revkin Well,
Andy, You sound so ignorant to dismiss both #KXLand
why nature dismisses politics; our ever growing need for using things
up. |
|
|
1126 |
@AAASMeetings Could “reality math” help the AAAS?? #AAASmtgsynapse9.com/signals/2012/0… |
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|
1125 |
Why does "reality math" matter?? People see their information as their reality. This math corrects our misinformation on the impacts of $'s. |
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|
1124 |
@InvasiveNotes Do
you count the "reality math", of ~8000btu/$ ??synapse9.com/SEA
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|
|
1123 |
The "reality math" is: "Average" impacts per $ is far more accurate than "0". synapse9.com/SEA So unreported impacts get counted. |
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|
1122 |
The "reality math" is embarrassing, OK, like exposing the Maldives' growing a high carbon economy, but WHAT deserves the embarrassment here? |
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|
1121 |
Avoiding "reality math", REALLY doesn't promote sustainability. All money has much closer to average impacts than zero.synapse9.com/SEA |
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|
1120 |
"Finding reality" takes two ways to explain things 1) for a reality in our minds we invent and 2) another for things nature invents, not us. |
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|
1119 |
Piling up money till it collapses is piling up the future we're building till it collapses too. If "just numbers", it wouldn't collapse. |
|
|
1118 |
We could back off a bit, to see "piling up our dreams till they collapse" as "piling up our dreams till they collapse". It's only reality. |
|
|
1117 |
The solutions for saving the environment have given us multiplying problems to address, somehow. Is it our dodging the real questions? |
|
|
1116 |
A great thing about sacred beliefs, is how unquestionable they become. Would doubting our beliefs then, give us much more reliable ones?? |
|
|
1115 |
so are we distracted from seeing "piling up stuff till it collapses" as "piling up stuff till it collapses", by "thinking with no thinking"? |
|
|
1114 |
@Adbusters Well,
the violence of choice is "language violence", so enthralling even those
you're attacking can't stop passing it around. |
|
|
1113 |
lnkd.in/h8cs9b Yes I'd generally agree, though one's choice of pejoratives is generally a kind of personal thing. Our two "main... |
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|
1112 |
You can see a fragility of birth in "the wilting of the Arab Spring", not following freedom with a period of calm, for making things work. |
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|
1111 |
The fragility of birth, to cut all ties with your prior source of life, while still weak, is very dangerous, and even more dangerous not to. |
|
|
1110 |
Our growth guidance system, as a feeble shoot, still defines using up its seed resource faster as more profitable than putting down roots. |
|
|
1109 |
A seedling is most vulnerable as a feeble shoot, at its limits of growth using the seed's fossil fuel, before it has taken root. Us too. |
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|
1108 |
lnkd.in/EAVA7h Clif, Well, the first thing seems for "mankind to see what game it's playing", before it can tell how we’re playing... |
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|
1107 |
#enoughwhat A benefit of recognizing your own limits is the freedom and security you get from not losing control of events that matter more. |
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|
1106 |
#enoughwhat Enough with thinking money has no impacts, though it's plain we use it to request physical services, and we just don't see how! |
|
|
1105 |
#enoughwhat Enough of thinking that on a shrinking planet, taking more and more for yourself doesn't rob someone else. |
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|
1104 |
#enoughwhat Enough thinking we "know it all" just because how nature organizes things leaves most observers utterly "out of the loop". |
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|
1103 |
#enoughwhat Enough thinking our globally shrinking resources are "unknown" and so maybe infinite... even as their prices go ever upward.. |
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|
1102 |
@echoinggreen Our information is like "Swiss cheese" as market and natural systems leave observers "out of the loop".synapse9.com/signals/2012/0… |
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|
1101 |
@echoinggreen #infographics for
why our information on how nature works is SO full of holes. synapse9.com/issues/images/… fromsynapse9.com/signals/2012/0…
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|
1100 |
lnkd.in/gXqBAx I don't know if I can jump directly from the reasoning above, but definitely agree in principle. One difficulty... |
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|
1099 |
lnkd.in/WgenAP I don't know if I can directly use the reasoning here. I agree in principle, but note things like that the natural... |
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|
1098 |
lnkd.in/3mfVmh But... as the saying goes, "there's no profit in it". These kind of dreamy schemes don't offer anything for the... |
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|
1097 |
@Revkin ...but
we're not going to sway public opinion if reducing CO2 for a financially
strapped world competes for resources with growth. |
|
|
1096 |
@thinkprogress -
But is that "real" progress, ...still be skirting how the rich can keep
*multiplying* their earnings while wages now won't? |
|
|
1095 |
So, what keeps us from ending our own explosive growth is 1) not knowing unknown supplies are finite and 2) how to turn off a growth system. |
|
|
1094 |
How resource prices are rising indicates we crossed a natural limit of profitably using their decreasing quality.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves… |
|
|
1093 |
Maximizing our resource use efficiency we DOUBLE OUR RESOURCE NEED, and consume as much as in all of economic history, about every 40 years. |
|
|
1092 |
Look at the our culture, what still sells is advertising a never ending consumption spree, when we know affordable fuels are running out. |
|
|
1091 |
Why didn't they respond to increasingly unaffordable resources? Just like us their rich also probably kept wanting to just get richer. |
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|
1090 |
We'd vanish like the Romans, Mayans and lots of others, depleting our resources till our rich societies just can't afford to keep working. |
|
|
1089 |
It's ever increasing rates of depletion for all resources, that decreases their quality to make them unaffordable to use in a crashing wave. |
|
|
1088 |
We act as if we realize our known resources are finite, but unaware exhausting our unknown ones VASTLY SPEEDS UP near their useful end. |
|
|
1087 |
The mega-wave of resource depletions started with demand food and fuel exceeding supply, and growth ever accelerates those and ALL others. |
|
|
1086 |
Isn't it odd, that we're facing a true global resource depletion tsunami, for EVERYTHING the economies find useful, AND NO ONE IS AWARE. |
|
|
1085 |
Our world consensus plan for sustaining prosperity **IS** to do what it takes to keep multiply money, as it depletes the earth ever faster. |
|
|
1084 |
Why is our whole cultural conversation ignoring the physical world??? It looks as if what's physically happening has no cultural relevance. |
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|
1083 |
@HeleneFinidori Rediscovering what nature is doing inside those voids in our information becomes both fun and highly instructive it seems. |
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|
1082 |
@HeleneFinidori People quite often "make up stuff" for those natural voids in our maps of the world, to drift lazily into magical thinking. |
|
|
1081 |
@HeleneFinidori Well,
my focus has long been on the curious large voids in our information,
around systems nature builds from the inside. |
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|
1080 |
Is “Big Media” becoming “Big Brother”? Or are we acting out a more common grand human tragedy... living like a cancer?synapse9.com/signals/2012/0… |
|
|
1079 |
@HeleneFinidori Yes, and gaps in barriers are openings for active exploration. What if an "information world" favors "magical thinking"? |
|
|
1078 |
@HeleneFinidori Why
no use?? Lots of use!! If you discover you're wasting your time you can
do something else. Lots of use!! |
|
|
1077 |
@HeleneFinidori Yes,
in our minds that makes sense. The issue is to nature it won't, if what
we do has the reverse of the intended effect. |
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|
1076 |
lnkd.in/8WZEHC Well, the earliest fairly clear prediction inherent systemic financial instability that would produce great waves... |
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|
1075 |
@HeleneFinidori My puzzle is why, if the world isn't working like our theory, "stewards of the earth" question the evidence instead. |
|
|
1074 |
@HeleneFinidori We've
been producing more of that, as well as fossil. Our uses deplete
everything else usable on earth exponentially too. |
|
|
1073 |
@yesmagazine @dkorten David,
Even with those big steps the most critical one even Keynes pointed out
is missing, a natural limit for money. |
|
|
1072 |
@HeleneFinidori You know... like we've been "saving energy" all the time, and every year our energy use in total is growing exponentially... |
|
|
1071 |
@HeleneFinidori I've
been in the middle of the activation movements for 40 years. People like
their beliefs and ignore the reverse effects. |
|
|
1070 |
@thinkprogress ..and
"job creation" continues to expand the economy and accelerate our
depletion of natural resources exponentially. |
|
|
1069 |
@HeleneFinidori What gets "our ecology for transformation" off its islands of self-affirmation? We seem flustered by the reality of nature. |
|
|
1068 |
Regular periods of economic "retooling" causing "The Patterson Cycle" and why is it roughly 14 years long? qr.ae/7fmpu on @Quora |
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|
1067 |
@VenessaMiemis Our
ancient cultural "#meta-narrative"
is "using our minds to control the world", why we don't notice we're
destroying it. |
|
|
1066 |
@Ethical_Corp -
Lesson 11, Always missing from #TopTen is
to "Count the impacts of using your profit to keep multiply your
impacts."#CSR
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|
|
1065 |
@InvasiveNotes @EcoInteractive Well...
"Northern forests" actually NEVER were able to "trap carbon". Biomass
residence time low, CO2's high. |
|
|
1064 |
@ExperienceLife -
"Visionaries striving for a healthier world" need humility too. Pumping
the earth dry is mostly for the same goal too. |
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|
1063 |
Or is it perhaps not the false ploys but the true ones like Google and Facebook, making the real power of the money multiplier's addicition. |
|
|
1062 |
Or is it because we're gullible and easily seduced by false gifts as ploys, paid for by people with a life addiction as a money multiplier. |
|
|
1061 |
Or was it that someone big gave all our experts marching orders to march us all off over the biggest of all possible cliffs? |
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|
1060 |
So really, why are we trying to sustain our prosperity by using up our depleting resources ever faster, something we ate? |
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|
1059 |
Komen: We "apologize to the American public for recent decisions that
cast doubt...[on] our mission of saving women's lives." |
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|
1058 |
@webisteme well,
sure, the "money multiplier" is the person or business that rents their
money to multiply it. It's addictive. |
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|
1057 |
lnkd.in/yCkDWE OK, but you're still just asking how to represent nature in your model. That’s a study of modeling not of how... |
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|
1056 |
@Adbusters #occupy Really since ~1970 when median incomes leveled off, GDP growth has been ENTIRELY growth in disparity, NOTHING ELSE. |
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|
1055 |
@rushkoff Nature's ideal way to fund the web, so content is made for the viewer, needs a way to offer micro credits to sites as we view. |
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1054 |
@rushkoff - Doug, from my view of economies as physical systems, your ideas seem *just spot on*, and important. We'd have things to share. |
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1053 |
@Ethical_Corp -
Ah well, see comment, "decoupling" one thing'll multiply our other
wicked problems.. #CSR #Keystone awe.sm/5eUPn
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1052 |
@STWR_ Helena,
I agree with the logic, that the right way to end growth would keep jobs
and save the climate too...theeconomicsofhappiness.wordpress.com/2012/01/27/the…
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1051 |
When you start seeing the economy as an organic behavior of a whole environment, it helps turn your attention away from imposing your rules. |
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1050 |
It really helps explain the economy to see that growth has such amazing variety in its complexity to be impossible to solve as an equation. |
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1049 |
Driving a complex organic growth system like the economy, to grow like a cancer forever, hoping a model of boxes and arrows helps, won't. |
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1048 |
@NatureNews Growth remains a growth process, creating the features of complex systems, nothing like a numeric model for boxes and arrows. |
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1047 |
lnkd.in/3ABZeA Wolfgang, Thanks for your persistence. I’m trying to point out a common conceptual error, in thinking about how... |
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1046 |
If ~$100K of GDP makes CO2 needing 1 acre of forest to recapture, who pays the finance, tax and labor costs of maintaining it forever too? |
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1045 |
@TheTakeaway If nothing will be "decided" except by the election, then all we need to talk about is better understanding the real problems. |
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1044 |
lnkd.in/GspVjN Not quite sure what you're saying. Resource markets have much more control over the decisions people than the... |
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1043 |
lnkd.in/ZubK9G Well if that's what you want to know, then ask me. I've had the answer to that for 30 years, and to my surprise I... |
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1042 |
lnkd.in/cXe6Ny OK, you seem to say you've another way to know all the right answers to the unusual questions I'd ask, and so don't... |
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1041 |
It turns out the best parts of #capitalism are kept, and the evil parts lost, if businesses stop growing like cancers when the whole can't. |
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1040 |
So... IF investors noticed limits to growing the economy were making it unprofitable, would they keep their parts growing like a cancer? |
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1039 |
lnkd.in/_87rKr I guess you seem to keep saying just the right principles, but reaching the opposite conclusion I do. You say... |
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1038 |
The big thing setting apart #Lively systems from ones following set rules or equations is their way of emerging as new systems with a burst. |
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1037 |
@Revkin Search for life here on Earth alive too, spotting systems large or small working by themselves, as bursts of new relationships . |
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1036 |
lnkd.in/uy5Rti Complexity models have a great many more problems with representing how natural systems emerge from their... |
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1035 |
@HansRosling A
way to fall into poverty and stay there is our old and current way of
prospering, by ever accelerating resource depletion. |
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1034 |
@NYTimesFriedman famously wrote on our shrinking environment, now plans on the opposite for our next great recovery..nytimes.com/2012/01/29/opi… |
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1033 |
@nytimes Tom, It's such a mystery when "a changing environment" is the problem, we don't look for what it's changing!nytimes.com/2012/01/29/opi… |
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1032 |
lnkd.in/2MJtR5 Well, I certainly agree with you when you say "There is no perfect closed from solution to anything." It's where... |
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1031 |
Chile's Camila is a cool leader, like others tho, leading people to think distributing the problem of money will solve it not worsen it. |
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1030 |
lnkd.in/pSbRiG Oops, some sort of mysterious error, 1.1.1. was mean to be 1.3.4 I think with * for 2. with the first word... |
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1029 |
Going through these wrenching changes once a generation, or once every twenty, that's one thing, but going for doing them monthly is rough. |
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1028 |
lnkd.in/rCTPXV 1. In common English, "reality" would be what our minds don't define, the matter of the world that exists by... |
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1027 |
How to fly a pickle, first grow wings and jam your foot to the floor, then when you crash be glad it's just a pickle, and not your society. |
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1026 |
lnkd.in/ENHvek So, if your model of a system's past indicates acceleration of a vehicle toward a tree, you could then compare the... |
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1025 |
@OccupyWallStNYC.
Why doesn't anyone seem to notice what creates inequality is not profit,
but using it to multiply your power over others. |
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1024 |
@Revkin doesn't
"locked in" to opposite extremes for the next 1000 years sound more like
politics than the weather? |
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1023 |
@giyom Banking *would* naturally shrink to a "clearing" task, if not for people adding sure profits to their bets for concentrating wealth. |
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1022 |
@dataliberation IT'S NOT FAIR AT ALL. You lock us into free services, to collect our data as your property, to sell not in our interests. |
26 Jan 2012 |
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1021 |
#Capitalism in Crisis @FinancialTimes - It's easy to criticize, not knowing how to steer an economy away from dead endsft.com/intl/cms/s/0/8… |
26 Jan 2012 |
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1020 |
@brookejarvis See comment there (yesmagazine.org/planet/new-yor…) Natural gas may be a high carbon, not low carbon, energy source synapse9.com/issues/images/… |
26 Jan 2012 |
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1019 |
lnkd.in/59S4sb I really do appreciate your frustration. The next question beyond having a useful model may be a way to say what... |
26 Jan 2012 |
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1018 |
lnkd.in/uMpshf It's just that to discuss how models fit a complex system like an economy, you kind of need to discuss the subject,... |
24 Jan 2012 |
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1017 |
lnkd.in/W_9KRq I think if you check the instrumental processes involved, you find that the means by which what you call... |
24 Jan 2012 |
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1016 |
lnkd.in/PNpepf That's the thing, they're made of information ONLY in our minds. The working processes of nature don't use... |
24 Jan 2012 |
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1015 |
@politifact An odder belief is I=PAT, that technology efficiency that first multiplied impacts will reverse them too!synapse9.com/home.htm#ish1 |
24 Jan 2012 |
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1014 |
@politifact Why the economy doesn't behave as expected includes how crazy what we expect is, that it should grow forever with no difficulty. |
24 Jan 2012 |
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1013 |
@politifact re:#FLdebate You might fact check if any of them showed an understand of why the economy is not behaving as anyone expects? |
24 Jan 2012 |
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1012 |
lnkd.in/TXGizB Well, I could show you dozens of ways in which describing natural systems as information models following natural... |
23 Jan 2012 |
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1011 |
It's disturbing that usually "sustainability = BAU", more hidden ever growing impacts. Uncovering it will yield great hidden rewards too. |
23 Jan 2012 |
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1010 |
The economists who did it weren't "evil", they just wanted MEASURES OF GROWTH AND CONSTRAINT that conflicted, to BOTH mean "good". |
23 Jan 2012 |
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1009 |
Then if you use the phrase "do the math" as if it means something, and you find out you've been tricked, who should be responding but isn't. |
23 Jan 2012 |
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1008 |
So, that a trick of %'s allowed sustainability to become BAU and EVERYONE happy about it, still leaves us sustaining ever faster depletion. |
23 Jan 2012 |
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1007 |
People quoted rates of change in %'s are easily confused, by "units of measure" that are reset to "1.0", with each and every measurement. |
23 Jan 2012 |
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1006 |
What turned "sustainability" into "BAU" was at the beginning of the movement, economists defined decrease as slower %'s of increase.2012 |
23 Jan 2012 |
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1005 |
If an intellectual trick turned "sustainability" into "BAU", to make it both popular and profitable, who should be responding but isn't? |
23 Jan 2012 |
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1004 |
@MittRomney Hmm... trying to buy the world turned out not to be cheap it seems. |
22 Jan 2012 |
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1003 |
@InvasiveNotes What most characterizes what a system selects is it's swell of accumulating parts over time, starting small and ending small. |
22 Jan 2012 |
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1002 |
lnkd.in/NYcBDm Ah, well. We do seem to all be agreeing on our inability to find a common way to refer to our subject again. I... |
22 Jan 2012 |
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1001 |
@InvasiveNotes Not really. What they effectively "scour their environments for" are complementary parts to add, on all scales at once. |
22 Jan 2012 |
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1000 |
lnkd.in/bBzrEk Wolfgang, "Predicting the future" may well be a false objective for models lacking a way to anticipate change in... |
22 Jan 2012 |
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999 |
InvasiveNotes John Peter Thompson A paradox is a paradox for a reason: it means there’s something wrong in our thinking. |
21 Jan 2012 |
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998 |
@InvasiveNotes Fermi "not a paradox"?? If changes build, not vary randomly, results might be far more improbable.blogger.com/comment.g?blog… |
22 Jan 2012 |
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997 |
@Revkin @Annaleen If scientists don't lead with their real questions, others can't repeat them, and no one learns to think scientifically. |
22 Jan 2012 |
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996 |
It's still the free choice of investors... to invest in exploiting the earth to its exhaustion for ever growing false profits, either way. |
22 Jan 2012 |
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995 |
Or is it not paying attention that traps us in fixed thinking about an ever changing world, that forces us to develop bad hearts? |
22 Jan 2012 |
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994 |
Is it that our bad hearts cause us to not pay attention, so we get in trouble with our endlessly beautiful ever changing world? |
22 Jan 2012 |
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993 |
You might say "nature's at fault", inventing all kinds of things "too good to be true" that blow up and rearrange everything around them. |
21 Jan 2012 |
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992 |
lnkd.in/Emtp7C Wolfgang, Starting from your saying what matters “IS THE INTERFACE AMONG THEM, where virtually no one is working”.... |
21 Jan 2012 |
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991 |
@InvasiveNotes: "if an entity grows at the exspense of the orginating source shoud it always be excised?"- or paired by finding its match?? |
21 Jan 2012 |
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990 |
@Revkin What does "game over" for climate change mean,the chance of losing manhattan to the sea up from 5% to 50% maybe, a new problem? |
20 Jan 2012 |
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989 |
lnkd.in/tD-hYr George, I'd accept your concept of "human nature" as a measurable entity, for how we represent things to fit into... |
20 Jan 2012 |
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988 |
The #media of a sane #society would spend 90% of #politicaldiscussion on understanding the problems and 10% of what politicians say... |
20 Jan 2012 |
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987 |
@aleksj Oh,.. and the way we talked about for monetizing the web does offer a simple way to secure it too. |
19 Jan 2012 |
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986 |
@aleksj But... how would you secure the open web?? Shouldn't the biggies volunteer to design a way rather rather than throw their tantrums? |
19 Jan 2012 |
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985 |
What's "shady" about finance? SO many ways of dismissing how money is confined to reality, as what we use to ask others to do stuff! |
19 Jan 2012 |
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984 |
Where are medicine's "leaches", religion's "incantations" and science's "epicycles" today?? Well they obviously ALL moved into finance! |
19 Jan 2012 |
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983 |
lnkd.in/zw7STN Maybe this will help identify what has always separated our approaches, as well as show you my way of getting to... |
19 Jan 2012 |
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982 |
Tax Law needs *two rates for capital gains* 1)a rate for investments that build, and 2) for those that burn, our bridges to having a future. |
19 Jan 2012 |
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981 |
What burns our bridges to the future is using the resources to build them for anything else, burning them up denying the need to change. |
19 Jan 2012 |
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980 |
The big #jobs #loss the #Keystone pipeline would cause is loss of scarce resources for a sustainable economy to extending an outmoded one. |
19 Jan 2012 |
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979 |
lnkd.in/2mZizD Wolfgang, Well you suggest human cognition is enough, and I don’t doubt as knowledge accumulates cognition may... |
18 Jan 2012 |
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978 |
The great past societies that excelled in problem solving all appear to have bet on it, creating their own insolvable problem and died. |
18 Jan 2012 |
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977 |
The big difference between physical and conceptual worlds, is nature keeps perfect track of things physically we mostly miss conceptually. |
18 Jan 2012 |
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976 |
lnkd.in/mAuYfE Wolfgang, Yes I agree with that principle, that from a modeler's view it's identifying real constraints that allow... |
18 Jan 2012 |
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975 |
@InvasiveNotes @eizusdoow I think Google is very largely just being greedy, not wanting to change their growth model to make the world safe. |
18 Jan 2012 |
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974 |
It might appear someone should, but actually no one really makes money off of driving their whole economic system to exhaustion. |
18 Jan 2012 |
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973 |
lnkd.in/j3PN6b Well, how I was able to predict a storm of crises 30 years in the future, that would end economic growth... |
18 Jan 2012 |
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972 |
Still, the opportunity to make the change, from growth to self-reliance needs resources, and does pass by if used to resist not to move on. |
18 Jan 2012 |
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971 |
It can be a tough choice, if the baggage to cut at the limit to growth is the former source of life, the fossil resource or umbilical chord. |
18 Jan 2012 |
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970 |
It's a similar choice for a world economy, for it to graduate from taxing the earth to get ever bigger to get ever better, or we go broke. |
18 Jan 2012 |
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969 |
An individual's "limit to growth" is "change", stop paying for college, shed the baggage of childhood and finding how to be free and profit. |
18 Jan 2012 |
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968 |
People are so stubborn they miss the most obvious of natural solutions to what we see as confounding problems, like limits to growth. |
18 Jan 2012 |
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967 |
@edyong209 @revkin Also funny is omitting how "good science" sees "new science" as "bad science" to joke about first.blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscien… |
17 Jan 2012 |
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966 |
"Dodges" are OK if it's dodging the bullet rather than dodging the question... to stand flat footed waiting for bullets, like 0 net-energy. |
17 Jan 2012 |
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965 |
@JohnTierneyNYT Easy Counter to Climate Change (promoting growth too) like ALL #dodges, lets real problem get worse.nyti.ms/xtWjik |
17 Jan 2012 |
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964 |
@NYTIMES Practical Counter to Climate Change (promoting growth too) like ALL #dodges, lets the real problem get worse.nyti.ms/xtWjik |
17 Jan 2012 |
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963 |
@Ethical_Corp The "bridge to the future" would also have grown an economy too big to ever cross, a deeper error all growth plans make. |
17 Jan 2012 |
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962 |
**Any project starts with growth**, using its progress to multiply its parts, but then to survive... uses its progress to serve its world. |
17 Jan 2012 |
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961 |
@Ethical_Corp Yes, as a "bridge to the future" natural gas was investors' dream ignoring their system's effects again!energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor… |
17 Jan 2012 |
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960 |
@7homaslin @nytimes @revkin You find natural processes are not inherent, but develop from local invention, like even social networks! |
16 Jan 2012 |
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959 |
@7homaslin @nytimes @revkin How little information we can have is seen in how individual events originate, always from a vanishing point! |
16 Jan 2012 |
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958 |
@7homaslin @nytimes @revkin What'll show how little information we can have is how individual events develop, always from a vanishing point! |
16 Jan 2012 |
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957 |
@7homaslin @nytimes Oh, I think it already has with more coming, like showing how little information about how nature works we'll ever have. |
16 Jan 2012 |
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956 |
@revkin So really, why is world policy to reduce economic impacts and keep the economy growing by switching from resources to efficiency? |
16 Jan 2012 |
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955 |
@Ethical_Corp The Challenge for #CSR #Sustainability #Reporting, What share of the whole is yours?? synapse9.com/signals/2012/0… |
16 Jan 2012 |
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954 |
@InvasiveNotes Oh no!! as growth is how all things begin. They're kept if the profit they make from expanding control gets spent joining in. |
16 Jan 2012 |
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953 |
@InvasiveNotes @lisduarte @Brazilintel If the social values of the cells deny being part of the body, every cell is a cancer, like we see. |
16 Jan 2012 |
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952 |
@postgrowth Using social value theory gave us reducing the economy by expanding it more efficiently, driving all our purposes into conflict. |
16 Jan 2012 |
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951 |
If the social thinking of both liberals and conservatives come from voodoo science, it's pride in the competition that's really sick. |
16 Jan 2012 |
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950 |
@Ethical_Corp @Revkin Our social thinking is SO #uneducated, expanding things more efficiently to shrink them, is #scientism, not #science. |
16 Jan 2012 |
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949 |
It's that concentrating jobs in fewer hands is now a more profitable way to "make money", as everything pushes up against natural limits. |
15 Jan 2012 |
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948 |
There's a quite natural cause for investment markets acting as if it was more profitable to use our savings to eliminate jobs for our kids. |
15 Jan 2012 |
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947 |
I think maybe the more steps of separation between your eyes and your impacts serves to greatly reduce them... is that possible? |
15 Jan 2012 |
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946 |
@Ethical_Corp #CSR #Fracking When studied as a system, does natural gas really create more GHG's than coal or oil?energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor… |
15 Jan 2012 |
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945 |
@Revkin @TimesUnion Andy, what about research saying natural gas, as a system, produces more GHG's that coal or oil??energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor… |
15 Jan 2012 |
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944 |
@mattmillernow It's predators,.. but that *everyone's* savings once created jobs for our kids, naturally reversing at the limits of growth. |
15 Jan 2012 |
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943 |
Is politics a lot like mud wrestling, with everyone floundering around trying to pin each other with their slippery misconceptions? |
14 Jan 2012 |
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942 |
@theTBI @JesseJenkins Problem with proving macro principles with micro theory @climateprogress is rebound still = 2.5.thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/01/1… |
14 Jan 2012 |
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941 |
lnkd.in/u4MpjW Isn't it something like a "natural law" that an implied contract for guaranteed perpetual multiplying returns on... |
14 Jan 2012 |
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940 |
Our purposes in growth started coming into growing conflict 50+ years ago, as if with the limits of the earth, as intensifying resistance. |
14 Jan 2012 |
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939 |
It might start with noticing the things our theories can't control, and realizing that most of our ideal purposes are coming into conflict. |
14 Jan 2012 |
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938 |
How do we get back to a world that hasn't gone mad with conflicting visions and languages, might be another less technical way to ask it. |
14 Jan 2012 |
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937 |
So, should we "forge ahead" on the trusted old plan, not somehow causing massive inequality as we destroy the earth for the winners?? |
14 Jan 2012 |
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936 |
There was a time when growth DID "lift all boats", but the data says now it changed, and anyone's growth success costs another's failure. |
14 Jan 2012 |
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935 |
Then you get to asking, if the river of money was manageable at one point, but now become deeper than any dam or channel can constrain, why? |
13 Jan 2012 |
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934 |
Growing rivers of consumption go around conservation or regulation like water around a stick, that only a dam ridge to ridge would restrain. |
13 Jan 2012 |
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933 |
The economic appetites evade how we push them, flowing around barriers like water, as what makes profit seeking markets so successful. |
13 Jan 2012 |
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932 |
Why the system goes the opposite way we think we're pushing it starts with believing, not denying, the data.synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl… |
13 Jan 2012 |
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931 |
We think opposing "the system" has an effect, but often it's **only where we're looking** so conservation goes with growing waste somehow. |
13 Jan 2012 |
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930 |
@Revkin @keithkloor Well, there's also the older "free content" info. problem, that nature's systems work from the inside, hidden from view. |
13 Jan 2012 |
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929 |
@Revkin @dotearth @story_collider @tvjrennie (of course, thinking of the real world as what we're looking at rather than what our minds see) |
13 Jan 2012 |
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928 |
@Revkin @dotearth @story_collider @tvjrennie So, is the blind side of science that only what our theories *don't control* refers to reality? |
13 Jan 2012 |
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927 |
@STWR_ It's nuts to say ending poverty requires growth, as growth is what caused poverty. Nature is a balance, needing greed and restraint. |
13 Jan 2012 |
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926 |
@Revkin @jimdwyernyt But.. the devil's in the detail, natural gas as a system may produce more CO2 per btu than oil!energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor… |
13 Jan 2012 |
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925 |
@Adbusters #OCCUPYNIGERIA Fine message that working ever harder is just not fun! The question is how to use the profits to heal the process. |
13 Jan 2012 |
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924 |
@NatureNews What, "stuff the ballot box" for science. That's a great idea. Could we also keep social media from inventing its own realities? |
13 Jan 2012 |
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923 |
@InvasiveNotes How the food crisis and energy crisis link exposes "peak everything" as the earth's real limit of money.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves… |
13 Jan 2012 |
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922 |
@Revkin @whitehouse Investing in growth, while hiding impacts from view, is using our profits to avoid change, not facilitating our change. |
13 Jan 2012 |
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921 |
@Revkin @whitehouse But the plan is still "BAU", for the economy's encroachment on the earth growing forever, trying to keep it out of view. |
13 Jan 2012 |
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920 |
@ClimateReality Being economically efficient, GDP still takes 16oz. of CO2 per $1. So the earth's limit for CO2 is also its limit for money. |
13 Jan 2012 |
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919 |
@ClimateReality Environmental protection hasn't ever protected the environment from economic encroachment, except symbolically. |
13 Jan 2012 |
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918 |
@InvasiveNotes @Pescalune @LPOFrance If you can't see "your" own impacts, they'll be closer to "average" for the system you're in than "0". |
12 Jan 2012 |
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917 |
@InvasiveNotes @Pescalune @LPOFrance The source of the problem isn't damage done, but growing our uses of the earth hoping to not do damage. |
12 Jan 2012 |
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916 |
@InvasiveNotes @Pescalune @LPOFrance A great irony of environmental protection is relieving symptoms diverts action from the problem too... |
12 Jan 2012 |
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915 |
It's very interesting, that a pivotal issue of the extreme right is becoming the sustainability of using profits for profit, costing jobs!! |
11 Jan 2012 |
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914 |
The profits of the old system used to make a sustainable one, will create the only system, as the building of things designed to fail, does. |
11 Jan 2012 |
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913 |
@brookejarvis @DeChristopher Heroism is great, but lacking insight looses effect, so fragmented campaigns compete for shrinking funds. |
11 Jan 2012 |
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912 |
@ClimateReality You need to use the profits of the old system to build the new, but its quite false to say the new can profit like the old. |
11 Jan 2012 |
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911 |
1 The eruptions of life are found, exploring the "S" curves of time, that start with explosions of new relationships, that resolve or not. |
11 Jan 2012 |
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910 |
1 Good natured people stay unaware of their living world since what they see is in their heads, making the erupting changes of life invisible. |
11 Jan 2012 |
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909 |
1 It's the same "mind/world" barrier trapping us idiotic political struggle, from the horrors of Gilgamesh the Bible and Voltaire to today. |
11 Jan 2012 |
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908 |
1 It's good natured people destroying the earth, not recognizing the explosive self-organizing events of nature our lives are built around. |
11 Jan 2012 |
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907 |
1 @postgrowth @jeffhollender Workers seeking maximum returns from a natural world they see only as a resource, WON'T CHANGE A THING. |
11 Jan 2012 |
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906 |
1 Q: Oh! ... heavens, you seem to owe me a nearly infinite amount of money!! A: duhh... OK I guess. I'll work a little harder. |
10 Jan 2012 |
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905 |
1 How many societies grew to destroy their environments and themselves? Seemingly all the ones that tried to measure wealth with math. |
10 Jan 2012 |
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904 |
1 Little doubt **something** will happen to a deranged world intellectual culture whose prosperity is using up stuff running out ever faster. |
10 Jan 2012 |
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903 |
1 Why we really have ever more complex and rapidly changing problems is simple, our building an ever more complex and rapidly changing world. |
10 Jan 2012 |
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902 |
What promotes vast cultures of artificial reality, quackery or not, is dealing with ever more complex problems with ever less attention. |
10 Jan 2012 |
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901 |
@Sheril_ @Revkin Is it #quackery the way social networks redefine how nature works, just by their agreement, accepted by most as if science? |
10 Jan 2012 |
|
900 |
@Ethical_Corp The error misleading us on natural gas was... THE USUAL ONE WE MAKE, not looking at it as a whole system.synapse9.com/SEA |
10 Jan 2012 |
|
899 |
What makes the world's growing #conflict and #complications so #confusing is our #failure see how it's our #successes directly causing it. |
10 Jan 2012 |
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898 |
The #conflict around the world is mostly from our #successes, growing investment in solutions becoming too complex and conflicted to manage. |
10 Jan 2012 |
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897 |
But is rising #confusion and #conflict around the world being caused by people's #successes or their #failures??? |
10 Jan 2012 |
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896 |
Asking if the brain "knows" anything at all, except its own social constructions, would help reveal the underlying matrix of the real world. |
9 Jan 2012 |
|
895 |
Information is a problem for debating how nature's systems work, if that's hidden within them. People then argue fantasies not effects. |
9 Jan 2012 |
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894 |
On average, a $10 purchase, say some wine, really takes the economy making 10lb. of CO2 to deliver to you! What you don't know can hurt... |
9 Jan 2012 |
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893 |
Is the real problem aggregate over-investment, caused by our everyone's effort to maximize their growing investment?ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2012/01/0… |
9 Jan 2012 |
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892 |
The natural limit of profitable growth, as where expanding our consumption of the earth becomes unprofitable, isn't even discussed. #check! |
9 Jan 2012 |
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891 |
It's good natured people, and their prosperity, still leading the exhaustion of the earth in the name of creating plenty, who don't #check. |
9 Jan 2012 |
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890 |
lnkd.in/p2feVH Those are some good indicators, but there's a need to be able to define the turning point, and line not to cross,... |
8 Jan 2012 |
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889 |
So, could the real problem be vast over-investment, naturally caused by maximizing our rate of multiplying investment?ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2012/01/0… |
8 Jan 2012 |
|
888 |
@Revkin @politifact Physical progress has limits because addition and subtraction are conserved, so trends change their environments, check! |
8 Jan 2012 |
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887 |
lnkd.in/2qKq-h Animated natural systems also show accumulative design, like the development of natural air currents.... |
7 Jan 2012 |
|
886 |
@Revkin @politifact Actually, it's particularly physical directions of progress that become their own impediment, not dreams. Check! |
7 Jan 2012 |
|
885 |
@politifact @revkin Does progress naturally become an increasing impediment to progress? The firm scientific answer is "Yes". Please check |
7 Jan 2012 |
|
884 |
@Revkin check "Will getting bigger result in difficulty for getting bigger?" "Do we live by contradiction even for things we could check?" |
7 Jan 2012 |
|
883 |
General media disclaimer "Given persistent conflict between views of common realities WE PRINT WHAT PAYS, AND STOP LOOKING FOR HOW TO CHECK" |
7 Jan 2012 |
|
882 |
A "truth in reporting" disclaimer is needed. "Given conflicting views of common realities "WE PRINT TRUE AND FALSE VIEWS AS EQUALLY VALID" |
7 Jan 2012 |
|
881 |
lnkd.in/DMVzFS Accumulative branching is a key feature of all sorts of natural system design, but I think needs to be considered... |
6 Jan 2012 |
|
880 |
And in the end, theory still finds, all of nature must be between the lines. |
6 Jan 2012 |
|
879 |
With our lives, like anything that uses energy, being some kind of "flame". |
6 Jan 2012 |
|
878 |
Energy conservation says "before & after must add up for energy" and Q.M. that "they can't add up for our information". Both seem very true! |
6 Jan 2012 |
|
877 |
That science is an art of finding questions you can answer with high confidence, evidently makes it all but totally useless to politicians. |
6 Jan 2012 |
|
876 |
An odd reality of politics is "policies" mostly effect the news, and NOT really the economy, an organism "on a tear"... we don't understand. |
5 Jan 2012 |
|
875 |
lnkd.in/iTBqiH I wasn't the first to predict the economy's breakdown for the same cause I ultimately singled out as an unavoidable... |
4 Jan 2012 |
|
874 |
So, now it's Wednesday, election over, and every question science can't answer is STILL up to politicians and social activists to decide |
4 Jan 2012 |
|
873 |
lnkd.in/yJwmbT There are also differences between predicting events and understanding why our economic system is presently failing... |
3 Jan 2012 |
|
872 |
lnkd.in/aTV7MU With some people arranging to accumulate their incomes by %'s and others by constant units, I don't see how a... |
3 Jan 2012 |
|
871 |
lnkd.in/-wVPzg That's interesting. It's fairly common (six blind men and the elephant) that different valid views of complex... |
3 Jan 2012 |
|
870 |
lnkd.in/UYNX7W Well, if you think of careful forensic detective work to be "qualitative", then I guess so. It's less about... |
2 Jan 2012 |
|
869 |
lnkd.in/KJh_N8 George, The way I apply the physics behind my method (of natural organizational limits to growth) is to then look... |
2 Jan 2012 |
|
868 |
So, better to think of nature as the new information you are missing, and need to find, rather than beliefs based on information of past |
2 Jan 2012 |
|
867 |
What's often bogus in our beliefs is treating trends as nature having fixed rules, when it's the opposite, changing rules that won't last. |
2 Jan 2012 |
|
866 |
When over-invested and expansion isn't making multiplying returns of cheaper stuff but the opposite, invest in solidifying not expanding. |
2 Jan 2012 |
|
865 |
Or.. we could discover that #belief usually produces bogus ideas of the future, wrong directions searching for what NEW path to take. |
2 Jan 2012 |
|
864 |
Here's an idea, ro fix the economy we could replace one guy who has no idea what the problem is with a bunch of others who don't either. |
2 Jan 2012 |
|
863 |
kcrw.com/news/programs/… @LRC The common view of "the disconnect" expressed today is as close to a real understanding of our deep problem as... |
1 Jan 2012 |
|
862 |
@EarthEconomics @evangineer @kalamishere @ClimateSpec@ISEEORG @Moraleconomy @theneweconomics@feasta_tweets No-growth except for money ???? |
28 Dec 2011 |
|
861 |
What society's desire for growing profits runs into... is how it changed the earth, a far bigger "head wind" facing us than Barack imagines. |
27 Dec 2011 |
|
860 |
All society wants from Wall St is ever growing returns for those with savings, and not see the growing impacts. Inequality is one of them. |
27 Dec 2011 |
|
859 |
@adbusters To "flow to where it needs to" #occupy needs insight, ...on how Wall St creates inequality doing exactly what society asks it to. |
27 Dec 2011 |
|
858 |
Even cutting diamonds is "just a little tap" (in just the right direction). But you have to closely study the internal nature of diamonds. |
26 Dec 2011 |
|
857 |
Leaders extol the masses to "all pull together", and treat me as a complete idiot for pointing out we won't get anywhere without wheels. |
26 Dec 2011 |
|
856 |
@Ethical_Corp We **still** do math counting only visible impacts of money (mostly "0"), actually "average" 8000btu/$.synapse9.com/SEA |
24 Dec 2011 |
|
855 |
@Ethical_Corp We **still** count math for increasing impacts more efficiently as a social credit for reducing them, after all. A gold mine! |
24 Dec 2011 |
|
854 |
@Ethical_Corp The end of SRI is surely that new professional money makers in "sustainability" are so good at getting self-contradiction pay. |
24 Dec 2011 |
|
853 |
@Adbusters #Jobcreation IS ONLY DONE FOR PROFIT, which reliably creates competition, but *NOT JOBS*, when the economy is short of resources. |
24 Dec 2011 |
|
852 |
@Adbusters Keeping a job is a struggle too, keeping up with the new competition from #jobcreation,.. our profits for investors get used for. |
24 Dec 2011 |
|
851 |
@Adbusters Well, the "shadow of the market" is in EVERYTHING, as using the market to multiply markets is .. *what we do*. |
24 Dec 2011 |
|
850 |
@InvasiveNotes The ideas of Thales were reversed by Plato and Aristotle, so we now still treat nature as following human ideals. |
23 Dec 2011 |
|
849 |
@InvasiveNotes The first Greek scientist, Thales, discovered if you studied nature as behaving by itself and knew math you could make money. |
23 Dec 2011 |
|
848 |
@InvasiveNotes I would say no, a "thing" is less something *we* can "see, touch or feel", than something with physical behaviors of its own. |
23 Dec 2011 |
|
847 |
@InvasiveNotes A "concerto" is both "thing" and "abstraction", as the word refers to both the physical phenomenon and our ideas about it. |
23 Dec 2011 |
|
846 |
@InvasiveNotes Pi is a very useful abstraction, real to us, but only expressed in nature *by implication* of theory, a mental construct. |
23 Dec 2011 |
|
845 |
@InvasiveNotes You find nature determines things in a way nothing like humans do, and so arrives at quite different results too. |
23 Dec 2011 |
|
844 |
@InvasiveNotes The continuities of natural systems are built differently than continuities of explanation, and it's quite useful to notice. |
23 Dec 2011 |
|
843 |
@InvasiveNotes The "members" and "relationships" between them in any abstract model are still all abstracted information, theory not things. |
23 Dec 2011 |
|
842 |
Only information raising good questions about realities beyond your view is truthful, like signals of change in how nature is responding. |
23 Dec 2011 |
|
841 |
@InvasiveNotes Oh John, think it through. Tensors are abstract images vastly under-representing real subjects, unless by pointing to them. |
23 Dec 2011 |
|
840 |
lnkd.in/trHWDQ It would be "the Dutch" and any others who see the profit opportunity in a market cornered naturally by demand... | 2011 |
|
839 |
@InvasiveNotes Oh yes, forgot to put in "changing" in that, as natural forms are changing everywhere at once and information is fixed. | 22 Dec 2011 |
|
838 |
@InvasiveNotes Oh, why all
information is faulty is it's abstracted, from complex relationships in
complex environments stripped away. |
22 Dec 2011 |
|
837 |
Lnkd.in/iW_PcM I added the following as a comment to the
original article from Forcasting.Net "Predicting the Global Economic... |
22 Dec 2011 |
|
836 |
Now, then... why is it that the world expert community
consensus is that we can reduce our footprint on the earth by expanding more
rapidly? |
22 Dec 2011 |
|
835 |
If God isn't what makes it *so visibly clear* only
multiplying is profoundly *not fruitful*, then he's just another of our
self-deceptions. |
22 Dec 2011 |
|
834 |
If God isn't within the resolution of new beginnings by
harmonizing with what they touch, he's really missing out on something. |
22 Dec 2011 |
|
833 |
If God isn't within the bursts of new relationships
that begin all the large and small storms of live, he's missing out on
something. |
22 Dec 2011 |
|
832 |
Why look for it in our words instead of in life's
things. Why not look more deeply into what it is in life that inspires them? |
22 Dec 2011 |
|
831 |
Why not look for it in the immediacy of life itself,
not the retelling of theory and fable we invent, but in the very brilliance
of reality? |
22 Dec 2011 |
|
830 |
Why not look for the pulse of the universe in the
bursts of innovation that begin any event, visibly what makes life and time
so "lively". |
22 Dec 2011 |
|
829 |
Why, though? Don't all people deeply desire to put
their finger on the pulse of the universe? |
21 Dec 2011 |
|
828 |
Maybe it's that human culture has no connections at all
with the living world it's part of... I do feel like
such an alien bringing it up. |
21 Dec 2011 |
|
827 |
It turns science into both an actual and metaphorical
treasure hunt, for hints on where to look for the secrets of our living
world! |
21 Dec 2011 |
|
826 |
An ideal place to look for missing information, on how
nature "connects the dots", is studying the growth of new
environmental systems. |
21 Dec 2011 |
|
825 |
Searching for information you're missing is a task of
discovering how nature "connects the dots", not how one's own
social values would. |
21 Dec 2011 |
|
824 |
Is it better to search for information you're missing,
or a theory to make sense of information you have? The latter is surely
easier! |
21 Dec 2011 |
|
823 |
Lnkd.in/6ZGmrg
Missing from world concern for the food crisis is our growing food/fuel
demand, with no regulatory or supply solution. |
21 Dec 2011 |
|
822 |
Spreading our most important social values will never
be heard by nature, *unless* we assign value to understanding her processses. |
20 Dec 2011 |
|
821 |
information theory proves that
the perfect imitation is the real thing. But what do you need to see that all
information is really faulty?? |
20 Dec 2011 |
|
820 |
It's the natural meaning of "maturity", when
energy use stops growing and real knowledge growth
begins, stabilizing scale to grow in wisdom. |
20 Dec 2011 |
|
819 |
An odd hidden fact of life is what money measures is
exchanges for energy use, REAL"knowledge
economy" grows on a no-growth economy. |
20 Dec 2011 |
|
818 |
Like we could have ever improving healthcare for fixed
cost too, defining that as the need instead of multiplying profits to break
the bank. |
20 Dec 2011 |
|
817 |
We could have economies of growing knowledge, ever
broader and deeper on a constant budget as a future, just not growing profits
and energy. |
20 Dec 2011 |
|
816 |
@tedtalks @innovatorsblog That we don't share minds, we can't check
any other, for the whole self-responsiveness of all living things. |
19 Dec 2011 |
|
815 |
You can see time as an addition process in growth,
cycles of stimulus & response add a little each time, going in circles to
get somewhere. |
19 Dec 2011 |
|
814 |
Being unaware of time as a process of addition also
hides why earning by %'s and by $'s diverges, as the real source of wealth
disparity. |
19 Dec 2011 |
|
813 |
Mistaking efficient increase with decrease, for saving
the earth, comes with living in the "ever-present", unaware of time
as addition. |
19 Dec 2011 |
|
812 |
How did doing development that adds to our impacts on
the earth so efficiently it is said to reduce them... get called
"sustainability"?? |
19 Dec 2011 |
|
811 |
Any time contentious questions come up, someone seems
to be arguing their imagination is without bound. Shouldn't that make us
suspicious? |
19 Dec 2011 |
|
810 |
Steiglitz now saying US
economy in drift toward depression. wnyc.org/shows/bl/2011/… ..Or is it simply
nature's way of shedding excess demand? |
19 Dec 2011 |
|
809 |
Human designs are SO unresponsive to what's hidden from
view. To nature's magically sustained bursts of organization NOTHING seems
hidden. |
19 Dec 2011 |
|
808 |
@Frances_Coppola @edwardnh The 5000 years of debt have also been turmoil,
misunderstanding "be fruitful and multiply"..
creditwritedowns.com/2011/12/the-hi… |
19 Dec 2011 |
|
807 |
Why life is so magical, is partly that how the myriad
natural systems behave by themselves, beyond our view, is itself truly
magical. |
18 Dec 2011 |
|
806 |
@yesmagazine - A small giant
problem with Kortens & #Occupy just blaming
"the bandits". yesmagazine.org/people-power/d… |
18 Dec 2011 |
|
805 |
The values #TEEB puts on nature also miss the impacts
of money hidden by a lack of receipts. synapse9.com/SEA
#TED on.ted.com/A5wm |
18 Dec 2011 |
|
804 |
@CapInstitute On #Keystone,
Obama just needs to do the math. A greatly expanding commitment to outmoded
technology won't be profitable. |
18 Dec 2011 |
|
803 |
@LarissaDrekonja .. and when people don't care,.. then
count on nature to not let that to continue, as not caring is just
abdication. |
18 Dec 2011 |
|
802 |
But society is unified in asking gov.
and biz. to continually grow our profits, incomes
and demands on the earth, destabilizing the earth. |
18 Dec 2011 |
|
801 |
People don't actually need ever doubling incomes, so
finding how that is destabilizing the earth is a signal to stop, not itself a
problem. |
18 Dec 2011 |
|
800 |
What ties money to reality is how we use it,
destabilizing our world most directly using it to multiply our instructions
for our world? |
18 Dec 2011 |
|
799 |
Both common sense and calculus say you don't slow
things down being efficient at speeding them up, ..what
our money myths have us ALL doing. |
16 Dec 2011 |
|
798 |
If pushing harder earns new penalties rather than
rewards, it's often a sign of natural resistance, not a call to sacrifice and
push harder. |
16 Dec 2011 |
|
797 |
@postgrowth @socialadvoc8
Adapting to forces beyond your control is very natural, but in our case also
lets them keep getting worse. |
16 Dec 2011 |
|
796 |
Renewables won't give you limitless growing energy, but
more sustainable jobs than dirty oil pipelines to be abandoned to save the
climate. |
15 Dec 2011 |
|
795 |
@cjeder #Occupy's policy is
"everybody's pissed" a true self-affirming social value, not an insight
into what to do, so it isn't strategy. |
14 Dec 2011 |
|
794 |
Basically, regulators haven't noticed that the earth
has started producing less, so the banks suffer from their own taking of ever
more. |
14 Dec 2011 |
|
793 |
By avoiding policy debate the #Occupy policy becomes
"everyone made happy", and nearly all agreeing on a range of
contradictory things. |
14 Dec 2011 |
|
792 |
The basic problem is trusting things that work in our
heads to work in the world. Nature is simply not persuaded by our social
battles. |
14 Dec 2011 |
|
791 |
Social values actually don't make good economic theory,
wishful thinking replacing what has to work. Wish the economists knew that
too. |
14 Dec 2011 |
|
790 |
So in our continuing war with nature we're losing
decisive battles, society consumed with contradictory policy no one checks
with reality. |
14 Dec 2011 |
|
789 |
The social value *everyone* agrees on is "things
should work", but then never check if their social policy would have
that effect. |
14 Dec 2011 |
|
788 |
Investors react even worse, of
course, to finding their natural fiduciary duty is to spend their profits so
the earth isn't over-invested. |
13 Dec 2011 |
|
787 |
So, my question is why our culture so afraid of
reality, when that is clearly not a diversion, but the only way out of a jam. |
13 Dec 2011 |
|
786 |
One glaring one is the world use of efficiency to
expand production, treated as blasphemy by greens claiming the opposite for
consumption!! |
13 Dec 2011 |
|
785 |
When the schemes of the "good guys" are as mad or madder than those of the "bad guys", then
you have a real problem! |
13 Dec 2011 |
|
784 |
@giyom - yes,
"conquering death" with average impacts of using 8000btu, like
1/2kg CO2 & paving more earth, per $1. synapse9.com/design/dollars… |
13 Dec 2011 |
|
783 |
I mention it, as the world DOES measure the energy use
for products as "0" when lacking information, not
"average"...http://synapse9.com/SEA |
12 Dec 2011 |
|
782 |
Like treating a lack of information as proof of what
you like, with the energy cost of using money = 0 not "average", if
you can't trace it. |
12 Dec 2011 |
|
781 |
A telling example is treating a lack of information as
proof of what we like, the energy cost of using money being 0, if you don't
see it. |
12 Dec 2011 |
|
780 |
How people don't think straight is seen in our not
using reasoning to fill the gaps in our reasoning, but self-affirming
guesswork instead. |
12 Dec 2011 |
|
779 |
@Revkin Andy, nyti.ms/rO4O2k
is so clearly dimwitted, to ignore rates of change entirely, I'm shocked you
don't offer it as ironic |
12 Dec 2011 |
|
778 |
@CapInstitute @Adbusters -So why wouldn't it be worth studying the
natural economics of the real world? (To see what dreams can be real) |
12 Dec 2011 |
|
777 |
But the question is does ANYONE want out of the mind's
traps of artificial reality enough to escape them, and would that change
anything? |
12 Dec 2011 |
|
776 |
#CSR #SRI ...well, of course, not to overlook that the
whole PURPOSE of #consciousness is essentially to let us bask in
self-deception... |
12 Dec 2011 |
|
775 |
But GDP *IS* *REAL end goods and services*, in units
scaled to enduring values like food and fuel, with GDP & impacts seen
growing together. |
12 Dec 2011 |
|
774 |
People want "#decoupling" money from impacts
to work. The impacts of money aren't what you see, though, but what average
people do with it. |
12 Dec 2011 |
|
773 |
"Green Climate Fund" will reduce carbon
locally to promote it with growth globally, the real source of ALL our
conflicts with the earth. |
12 Dec 2011 |
|
772 |
People wouldn't need to become ever more productive to
survive, if their profits weren't used for #feedback driving the entire
economy to. |
11 Dec 2011 |
|
771 |
Being consumed with continuing the main problem, ever
growing productivity using up the earth for profit, it seems all anyone has
time for. |
11 Dec 2011 |
|
770 |
@Revkin @brodernyt No
timeline for CO2 works while ignoring the 80% of energy demand for uncounted
business services. synapse9.com/SEA |
11 Dec 2011 |
|
769 |
That business services all promote our main economic
purpose, growth, and ever multiplying resource demand,...
then seems hidden from view. |
11 Dec 2011 |
|
768 |
The REAL reasons for energy demand now persistently
exceeding supply is the ~80% of demand hidden in business services, and what
THEY do. |
11 Dec 2011 |
|
767 |
So the energy discussion uses highly
"asymmetric" data, as if the ~20% of business energy demand from
technology worked in total isolation. |
11 Dec 2011 |
|
766 |
Businesses record the energy demands of technology, but
can't for the FAR larger energy use for outsourced
services. synapse9.com/SEA |
11 Dec 2011 |
|
765 |
Social networks, like religions and even science,
create their stories of reality using information they have, overlooking what
they don't. |
11 Dec 2011 |
|
764 |
Lnkd.in/dNfJPp Carl, I do generally agree, that our
subjective view gives a subjective direction to the theories we develop.
One... |
9 Dec 2011 |
|
763 |
@ClimateReality Clean energy
would be cleaner... if it substituted for dirty energy rather than just added
to it and growing energy impacts. |
8 Dec 2011 |
|
762 |
@johnmsmart John Smart - Nice
start. No more corporate personhood in
LA, Unanimous plt.me/MjEyMDE2 |
8 Dec 2011 |
|
761 |
What @Adbusters and #Occupy
don't get is why finance has to get ever bigger ever faster, society's mistaken demand for ever growing profits. |
8 Dec 2011 |
|
760 |
What the #TeaParty doesn't
get is things can't work as for a small society in a big world, as it's the
costs of the reverse we're hitting. |
8 Dec 2011 |
|
759 |
Lnkd.in/vzcWka Well, James, I'm often in that same position.
What I usually find is if people can't agree on what the subject... |
8 Dec 2011 |
|
758 |
Lnkd.in/X95pac
Yes, we should also consider as a core question of systems thinking whether
natural phenomena are by their nature... |
8 Dec 2011 |
|
757 |
Lnkd.in/3RvMRE
What I'm trying to raise is the difference between "natural
phenomena" that work by their own complex processes,... |
8 Dec 2011 |
|
756 |
Lnkd.in/SJqsSg James, A growth is a kind of system
construction process, in which the organization of the system develops... |
7 Dec 2011 |
|
755 |
Lnkd.in/Ah4eyZ
James, Virtually every growth system is a classic example of history
dependent distributed self-organization.... |
7 Dec 2011 |
|
754 |
Lnkd.in/8VnTb2
James, you seem to be reaching, to seemingly say humans should be exempt from
the observable physical properties of... |
7 Dec 2011 |
|
753 |
Lnkd.in/pjZxcT James, NECSI seems to be a scientific
organization, which studies complex systems, including those that become... |
7 Dec 2011 |
|
752 |
@Adbusters If #Occupy is all
about systemic change, how come its supporters don't talk to systemic
thinkers, just social thinkers? |
6 Dec 2011 |
|
751 |
Lnkd.in/kGExfy P.S. Elan, Just to
address one of your particular points, that I agree does *seem* to contradict
the view that... |
6 Dec 2011 |
|
750 |
We just don't live in that world any more, when a
little productivity improvement would keep uncorking limitless growing
resources. |
6 Dec 2011 |
|
749 |
Lnkd.in/8a_B28
Elan, I do agree with you on the success of
democratic government to successively improve the lives of people.... |
6 Dec 2011 |
|
748 |
@Revkin @wihbey @YaleE360 -
All that social self-affirmation, neatly avoiding discussion of THE MAIN
FORCING FACTOR, growing money. |
6 Dec 2011 |
|
747 |
Information models *always* fail when growing
complexity for physical systems goes beyond the limit of information in the
models. |
6 Dec 2011 |
|
746 |
The conceptual error in fixes for "containing a
blow-out" is failing to address BOTH the information model AND the
physical system. |
6 Dec 2011 |
|
745 |
A strategic error in fixes for "containing a
blow-out" is doing it to raise the pressure at which rupture will occur;
band-aids for a bomb! |
6 Dec 2011 |
|
744 |
"Fixers" assure us "it will never happen
again", followed by ever bigger and bigger financial crises, nature's
way of marking our exam. |
6 Dec 2011 |
|
743 |
@Adbusters Oh gosh no. The
"long night of the left" won't *never* end, as long at it's a static social philosophy not a discovery
process. |
6 Dec 2011 |
|
742 |
Lnkd.in/VVfeA6
Elenor, You mention Brazil as a success story. If
you recall our own economy had a quite long run of "lifting all... |
5 Dec 2011 |
|
741 |
lnkd.in/i-rQ73 Elad, I sympathize with your difficulty in understanding
the physics, and what happens at the natural limits of... |
5 Dec 2011 |
|
740 |
Lnkd.in/k9HfSu
Well, but is the defensiveness of social networks that find themselves under
attack "natural" or just a "symptom".... |
5 Dec 2011 |
|
739 |
#FiatCurrency helps multiply
unreal promises of wealth and earnings. Which #feedback loops do do that, and what rules would eliminate them? |
5 Dec 2011 |
|
738 |
Looking for better promises of wealth, we are confused
by procedures offering reliable #feedback for "promises just too good to
be true". |
5 Dec 2011 |
|
737 |
After centuries of financial panics, our fixes still
rely on promises "too good to be true", causing greater panics. synapse9.com/signals/2011/1… |
5 Dec 2011 |
|
736 |
We haven't pinned down why our accounts for wealth
create illusory wealth, so our faith based procedures still let bad faith
multiply. |
5 Dec 2011 |
|
735 |
One reason we keep talking past each other, is mostly
assuming our opinions are reality, since we determine reality from our
opinions... ;-) |
4 Dec 2011 |
|
734 |
Lnkd.in/pHQhEw I hope we don't drop the discussion of which
particular financial procedures make stabilizing our financial system... |
4 Dec 2011 |
|
733 |
Quite oddly most NON-INTELLECTUALS think using up
depleting resources ever faster for prosperity is a **very bad plan**, but
not "EXPERTS". |
4 Dec 2011 |
|
732 |
Could it be "leading experts" all draw the
world "inside out", the earth as an idea projected from their
thought, and so deny all reality? |
4 Dec 2011 |
|
731 |
Why is it even so rare for INTELLECTUALS go beyond just
harping from private points of view, on the obvious singular calamity of our
time? |
4 Dec 2011 |
|
730 |
Why is SCIENCE (or the PRESS, or BUSINESS, or the
PUBLIC) so SILENT ON EVER EXPANDING use of the earth changing how we can use
it?? |
4 Dec 2011 |
|
729 |
That intellects draw reality as projected by their
minds is made whole again, experiencing back and forth, mind as projected by
nature too. |
Dec 4 2011 |
|
728 |
#Intellectuals are nearly ALL fooled, really, by "slowing down the
speeding up" having BOTH THE DIRECT AND REVERSE EFFECTS of
"addition". |
Dec 4 2011 |
|
727 |
Quite oddly most NON-INTELLECTUALS think using up
depleting resources ever faster for prosperity is a **very bad plan**, but
not "EXPERTS". |
Dec 4 2011 |
|
726 |
Could it be "leading experts" all draw the
world "inside out", the earth as an idea projected from their
thought, and so deny all reality? |
|
|
725 |
Why is it even so rare for INTELLECTUALS
go beyond just harping from private points of view, on the obvious singular
calamity of our time? |
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724 |
Why is SCIENCE (or the PRESS, or
BUSINESS, or the PUBLIC) so SILENT ON EVER EXPANDING use of the earth
changing how we can use it?? |
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723 |
So, if #FiatCurrency multiplies money and debt in all the wrong hands, which links
on its #feedback loops do you hook up
some where else? |
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722 |
@CapInstitute Sounds like an interesting opportunity,... but Bluestockings,
172 Allen St. is a trek, far lower East Side.. |
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721 |
Simple reality is: MONEY = requests for
delivering physical goods and services, and rules totally change as that goes
from "SMALL" to "BIG". |
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720 |
lnkd.in/GemwAy A simple, and seemingly valid, overview seems to be that money
has real value only when it for corresponds to... |
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719 |
lnkd.in/g_qi6V A simple, and seemingly valid, overview seems to be that money
has real value only when it for corresponds to... |
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718 |
The ANTIDOTE TO MADNESS is in realizing
definitions are immaterial, and have value only THROUGH material chains that
can't be defined. |
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717 |
Odd thing about real cultural crises,
terrible thing to waste but they drive people INTO madness not sober them up,
much of the time. |
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716 |
But, as you see.., "finance" is
a "procedure", not a "person" so our fault is failing to
question our own common purposes, NOT misbehaviors. |
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715 |
That finance puts money into the cash
economy ONLY to take more out, starts as stimulating and ends by draining our
whole system of life. |
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714 |
lnkd.in/eZ8756 Well, it used to be thought that a
workforce needed to be mobile, so it was good for them to have an
expensive... |
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713 |
lnkd.in/P3GCbd That's the trick. Natural phenomena
are indefinable, as you quickly find out when you study their detailed... |
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712 |
lnkd.in/44Dsj6 Why? Doesn't financial capital go
wherever it can get the best return, so everyone's pension funds then... |
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711 |
lnkd.in/q3JCHJ I'm not sure, but it's not clear
whether you are equating information with energy, and I certainly would find
that... |
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710 |
@SteadyStateEcon The people long predicting the
crisis, though, mostly keep promoting popular social solutions that don't
address the cause. |
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709 |
lnkd.in/BiX6gB I think there is still a conspicuous
"loose end" in asking where the distorted demand for real estate
came from.... |
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708 |
lnkd.in/ravHEk The simpler way to say it is that
"energy" refers to defined kind of information about a physical
subject that... |
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707 |
lnkd.in/ZmxZ54 As a physical scientist I think the
beginning of science is the step *before* asking "why". That's to closely... |
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706 |
To "create jobs" the best
profit is in jobs like "high-technology" that very visibly
cannibalize "mid-technology" jobs. No one notices. |
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705 |
We know from Econ 101 that new jobs
always displace old jobs, either for a net gain or a net loss, no politician
studies or mentions!! |
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704 |
lnkd.in/xE-cFz One needs to not forget for
following the chains of effects with economies to "follow the
money" as well as to... |
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703 |
lnkd.in/aY3dxH I use the information rules of
physics to help me ask better questions about individual events, like a
forensic... |
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702 |
lnkd.in/yV76-q Hmmm... most
people complain that I'm much too specific, though the unfamiliar systems
physics approach I use is... |
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701 |
Why our limit of "low hanging
fruit" is "falling off the ladder"...natural limits of reach
in controlling the unknown.synapse9.com/signals/2011/1… |
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700 |
lnkd.in/V7xjxi James, You're correct that the
intent of the economy's design is "based on ideals of goodness" but
it contains a... |
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699 |
lnkd.in/uQyGwT Well, it's likely we are
interpreting each other's words differently, and not understanding quite what
they refer... |
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698 |
lnkd.in/yuB6AV I think Yaneer
would agree that whether the system meets everyone's needs or not is not a
scientific question. His... |
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697 |
@Ethical_Corp Why
impacts grow faster than the restraint is that MOST ARE NATURALLY
UNTRACEABLE. synapse9.com/SEAethicalcorp.com/governance-reg… |
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696 |
@yesmagazine The
universal trap at the end of "low hanging fruit" is "falling
off the ladder", rising risk and reduced energy to respond. |
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695 |
Endless fictions, making our stories
"look good" and "feel good", while dodging the reality
well shy of "being good", lead to dead ends. |
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694 |
Then... why aren't drug consumers accessories to the crimes of the drug cartels,
as "environmental impacts" of purchases, like any other? |
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693 |
@STWR_ "Real
world theory" comes from clear observation not social self-affirmation,
as most"expert" and "dissenting
theory" both come from. |
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692 |
@STWR_ ???
But "economists from around the world" are the experts who made
this mess!! We need people who see the world not only a theory. |
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691 |
@ClimateReality @IEA_OECD Oddly..clean
energy is NOT USED TO REPLACE fossil fuels, but to ADD TO AND ACCELERATE our
alteration of the earth. |
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690 |
@postgrowth We
FAIL if we trust the #artismal to sustain complex, universities,
information tools, society, etclexiconofsustainability.com |
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689 |
@timepaystime @jfnoubel Finding
your way is NOT finding your voice alone, both REQUIRE finding and exploring
your PATH in nature. |
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688 |
@OccupyWallSt @OccupyWallStNYC WE need to DO it, not just agree to
complain... but to Prick the bubble or Bleed it???synapse9.com/signals/2011/1… |
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687 |
@arcticfutures @TanjaHichert -
but @TEEB,
doesn't use SEA yet,for
the shares of known but not traceable impacts.synapse9.com/SEA |
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686 |
...then the other detail, taking
efficiency to the extreme, everyone the world over pushed, in effect, to
"make bricks without straw". |
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685 |
Nature's new plagues on our house,
terrorism and "everwar", exhausting the
earth, financial and political chaos, degrading work and family. |
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684 |
Societies consumed by plagues from their
own greed, their positive #feedbacks pushed
out of control, a historically common societal disease. |
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683 |
Is the "Exodus" story about
Egypt? It's the reverse moral tale of "Babel", a society consumed
by plagues from its own greed, that escaped. |
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682 |
#feedbacks What
you *use money for* trumps where you get it. You get energy from the exchange
economy, and then give it in the love economy. |
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681 |
Problem #feedbacks for
me, why my pointing out curiously useful gaps in our thinking seems mostly
used to show people what to cover up. |
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680 |
Money hides lots of #feedbacks, like why it can matter little
where you get or spend your money, *if what you use it for adds up*. |
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679 |
#NoThanksFor media, bloggers, commentators,
politicians who filter out the obvious major questions that might cost them
market share to ask. |
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678 |
#NoThanksFor social networks that treat finding
fault as all there is to simplifying a world, that
somehow got MUCH too complex. |
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677 |
#NoThanksFor social networks that just make up
their own realities, like the fiction that we use efficiency for consuming
less not more! |
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676 |
#NoThanksFor experts, anchors, consultants,
regulators, theorists, specialists all, with no theory working but something
else is at fault. |
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675 |
#NoThanksFor pension funds devoted to the
"fiduciary" obligation to maximize returns and send our children's
jobs overseas. |
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674 |
#NoThanksFor a culture all tied up in it's made
up realities, displaying no sense but "wrong direction" |
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673 |
@TIME @bryanrwalsh But
pepper spray *IS* a vegetable, it's only a matter of words. No need to check
the facts against what's real. |
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672 |
@InvasiveNotes Hmm.. guess that's like conserving the resources we know about,
as if we weren't laying waste to the greater ones we don't. |
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671 |
lnkd.in/uRhryZ I share Yaneer's
view that the problem the "Occupy" movement points to is real and
critical to respond to. It's... |
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670 |
@postgrowth @adbusters So
our society is going mad. With our solutions being the real problem scapegoating replaces the search for answers. |
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669 |
@postgrowth @adbusters Our
consumption keeps growing by the earnings from it being added to investments
in it. That's the physical cause. |
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668 |
@postgrowth @adbusters So
your real total impacts on the earth are in scale with your *income*,
regularly ~8000btu/$.synapse9.com/SEA |
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|
667 |
@postgrowth @adbusters One
misunderstanding in the idea of #buynothingday is that everyone spends their whole
income anyway!! |
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666 |
@Revkin @guardian @keithkloor Giving
up on dealing with clear realities is another sign of madness in social
networks.synapse9.com/signals/2011/1… |
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665 |
@jonnypeace @keithkloor @postgrowth @everyone...
I think we all need to find a good test for identifying mad societies.synapse9.com/signals/2011/1… |
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|
664 |
@postgrowth Why
is reality so anti-social? You're clearly selling false worlds if it's about
floods of limitless opportunity. |
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663 |
lnkd.in/gxyKap Well, yes of course. That's why I
termed my first paper on the subject "The Infinite Society, growth
induced... |
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662 |
@Revkin @wordle @realclimate -
A nice display of the words used, but the SUBTEXT of making the world safe
for endless growth is the killer. |
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661 |
@Ethical_Corp "Sustainable
supply chains" is "sustaining growth", so addressing visible
impacts as you multiply the much larger hidden ones. |
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|
660 |
@postgrowth Brock
is glib with pop social theory. Real self regulating economies just STOP
growing as they get BIG.synapse9.com/issues/EarthBu… |
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|
659 |
@Revkin @wordle @realclimate Preventing
climate change will still accelerate the economic destruction of the earth,
though. Wazzup?? |
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|
658 |
The problem with productivity is the
profits drive the appetites ahead of the needs.., so people take on ever
greater risks to stand still. |
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657 |
Small things that get big just have to
stop. Doesn't all the magical thinking of the magical thinkers arguing with
that just waste time?? |
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656 |
We may have infinite concepts of each
other and the earth, but our talents and the earth remain finite, don't they? |
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|
655 |
@prabhupingali But what's the answer for increasing
global demand on resources already being over-depleted. Who do you take them
from? |
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654 |
@Ethical_Corp Re:
'Tobin tax', in case not clear, "NOT taxing trades but divesting some
gains", sends same money to the people not the gov. |
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653 |
@Ethical_Corp The
'Tobin tax' seems brilliantly idiotic. The sure and steady way is NOT taxing
trades but to require divesting some gains. |
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652 |
lnkd.in/7g9qcs I agree that a "whole
systems" view is more likely to give useful results, but sometimes one
has to spend a good... |
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|
651 |
In physical reality... as an end to
growth, the principle of investment reverses, and THEN "the best is yet
to come".synapse9.com/issues/NatDevl… |
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|
650 |
I've been studying the interaction for 40
years. The social networks won't explore nature's new rules, just new excuses
to fit the old ones. |
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649 |
So...basically, we're completely screwed.
No eyes, no brain, dreamed up solutions making it worse. Need some sort of
"hail Mary pass"... |
|
|
648 |
Nature changed reality as we went from
small to big. Social networks started creating ones
of their own, excluding the explorers of nature. |
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|
647 |
Why we got socially correct policy to be
"anti-physical" and physically correct policy to be
"anti-social" is your first advanced homework. |
|
|
646 |
Sustainability is feel good policy, easy
to check for that, but promotes growth so backfires for conserving the earth,
disastrously. |
|
|
645 |
Social policy relabeled
"sustainability", gave us a certain method of speeding up economic
energy use to slow it down.synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl… |
|
|
644 |
Part of the dilemma is our sustainability
science policy coming from social activists, who are unaware of how the
physical world works. |
|
|
643 |
The disaster is that virtually all the
physically correct solutions to our "wicked problem" are
anti-social. We are NOT learning as we go. |
|
|
642 |
@BillGates ALL the popular renewable energy
solutions are designed make our energy crisis worse, dependency on
multiplying energy use. |
|
|
641 |
When nature's rules change social rules
don't, so social policy isn't physically correct, and correct physical policy
is anti-social. Crash! |
|
|
640 |
The conversation is missing that the
rules change as you go from small to big. That's
what all would agree, IF we were learning as we go. |
|
|
639 |
Just take me as an explorer, a source of
rather good questions to take to heart. We need fresh insight. Our social
values are misleading us. |
|
|
638 |
@Ethical_Corp -
A big hole in the conservation strategy is pointed out by new research...
growing hidden impacts!ethicalcorp.com/communications… |
|
|
637 |
lnkd.in/wpnG45 Yes, complex systems are learning
networks, but when their learning is hampered, the question posed is
"what are... |
|
|
636 |
#Occopy needs to tap the brains knowing the
procedures to change to turn a runaway growth system off. Every cell relies
on the whole body. |
|
|
635 |
What's so foolish about #Occupy is
that global financial systems respond to social pressure no more than to new
colors on their computers. |
|
|
634 |
To alter our fate put gifts to good use.
Divesting profits removes the cause of extreme inequality and fatally growing
strain on the earth. |
|
|
633 |
Without explorers social networks are
dead in the water, prone to be thrown by waves of change, like those from
**OUR BIG SPLASH** on earth. |
|
|
632 |
Because all social networks make up their
own mental realities, only their explorers keep them barely aware of the
world outside. |
|
|
631 |
What I'm actually looking for is other people curious to look where they're not sure
what they'll find, real explorers of the world. |
|
|
630 |
What I'm actually looking for is NOT an
impossibly complex society for impossibly simple people, who can see nothing
but their own beliefs. |
|
|
629 |
Why look for the
problems your solutions cause?? It's so unpopular to do so, and
treated with such visceral disdain, it does seem perverse. |
|
|
628 |
So sadly predictable over thousands of
years, productive societies great with the first task, just don't see the
next one coming. |
|
|
627 |
Great societies meet problems they can't
solve if "productivity" is only for the problems they start with,
not the ones they'll run into. |
|
|
626 |
Historians will look back and see, we
kept trying solutions making our problems ever worse, caught asking the wrong
question to the end. |
|
|
625 |
The problem with our brains is expecting
all that matters to fit inside, when BIG parts of nature can only be sensed
by looking outside. |
|
|
624 |
As we change the earth we want core
values to steer us right. But the problem now is trusted beliefs we can't
check, steering us all wrong, |
|
|
623 |
Rules aren't what makes
life fun, but we keep needing more and more, multiplying with money. No fun |
|
|
622 |
@postgrowth Post
growth fails to be sustainable, you know, for a society that continues to
rely on multiplying money. You GOTTA fix that. |
|
|
621 |
It’s often not obvious how to “get smart”
when your society’s been so dumb. |
|
|
620 |
#Occupy The
great thoughts in our minds do feel infinite. Is that what leaves Wall Street
too proud or confused to admit the earth isn't? |
|
|
619 |
#Occupy Should
get smart! Rising costs of being fooled by money, like efficiency to make
exploitation more profitable.synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl… |
|
|
618 |
@Storify War in Vietnam stopped due to rising
costs, protests pointed out. Now #Occupy exposes
rising cost of money pillaging the earth. |
|
|
617 |
Mad as hatters on earth, our way of
preventing climate change for profit, to maximize growth rate of energy use
and the impacts of our uses. |
|
|
616 |
The problems of "ever more"
just get "ever worse", is what anyone sees joining nature's
"social group", a very tough sell for our society's. |
|
|
615 |
How DO we respond to growing up with
false purposes, the false ideal of "ever more" and the quick fixes
for its ever exploding problems?? |
|
|
614 |
@freakonomics There's
TREMENDOUS value found in "worthless" study of your own purposes,
to see if achieving them makes your problems worse. |
|
|
613 |
Looking around without your usual
assumptions, a break from boredom, a refreshing escape, a critical service to
your network. |
|
|
612 |
People seem to agree the fatal flaws in
how we're fixing things are real, but then go where that won't be pointed out
rather than help. |
|
|
611 |
@BBCRBlack For guiding "expert-ism's"
of ALL kinds, the cure isn't a science of what rules to follow but for seeing
what rules are changing. |
|
|
610 |
@BBCRBlack "Climate scepticism"
has more in common with all "ism's",
reconstructing reality to suite a social network, and its own nature. |
|
|
609 |
So it ends up being not a science of what
rules nature is following, but one of discovering what ones she's changing... |
|
|
608 |
What an honest person of computer then
finds is, "Gee, what causes change in nature and in our stories are
*completely* different!!" |
|
|
607 |
Nature uses growth to build things, so
growth curves make smart people or computers ask "what's building",
to then try to look and see. |
|
|
606 |
It's just more evidence that the world
either doesn't now or never worked the way the experts think, leaving people
to just scramble. |
|
|
605 |
The problem with debt is the experts keep
selling us bets that just don't pan out, taking their profit without sharing
in the risks at all. |
|
|
604 |
That renewables don't displace, but add
to, fossil fuels is a sad fact of how efficiency just multiplies demand.synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl… |
|
|
603 |
Not understanding the problem, 4 decades
of growing alternative fuel use has left our growing rate of fossil fuel use
the same! |
|
|
602 |
@Revkin No
risk.. but the big one,
that feeding a growth system new energy accelerates its expansion, total
energy use, and total impacts. |
|
|
601 |
@Adbusters well... to be a revolution #Occupy mainly
needs to find what changes whole envionmental
systems not in anyone's control, insight. |
|
|
600 |
#NOVA Being
unable to distinguish local physical processes from global statistical rules.. seems actually why we can't
understanding change. |
|
|
599 |
#NOVA -
A dual reality does it, natural behavior of local physical processes
contrasted with the natural description of it with statistics. |
|
|
598 |
#NOVA But
what then explains the bursts of original organizational growth readily seen
at every scale of behavior? Have an elegant answer? |
|
|
597 |
@MarkH603 @markmykleby @revkin @makower @slim_lim ..Oh gosh, Slaughter's
"strategic narrative" still has everyone multiplying everything!! |
|
|
596 |
@blietaer but nature has a way to fool the
fool, make him spend his due, and balance the books short of infinity. No
name as yet ¸¸¸.•´ ¯ |
|
|
595 |
#NOVA ...
one wonders what planet they think they live on, one that always follows
their rules?? Or one just letting them make up their
own? |
|
|
594 |
#NOVA ...
but really, would the originator of statistical physics bother with objecting
to uncertainty?? Or is that more likely a revision? |
|
|
593 |
#NOVA ...but
then if ALL of nature and the whole of the universe too were in our heads,
our predictions would actually BE it's
causation! |
|
|
592 |
#NOVA hmmm...
Was he perhaps complaining about the common presumption that our predictions
are the source of causation in nature??? |
|
|
591 |
#NOVA Hey,
Einstein really did think the then new philosophy of theoretical physics was
bunk, a dream, and no one knows quite what he meant. |
|
|
590 |
#NOVA What
madness have we on TV, a universe of theory that
conflicts with every sense? Must be the mad scientists saving us yet again. |
|
|
589 |
@aleksj @ungrok What
inspired my study of nature's multi-scale designs was the eventfulness of
real systems so missing from our theories. |
|
|
588 |
@storyofstuff ...then
the Story of Broke - Part II (the end of broke), the True Whole Story of
Debt! synapse9.com/signals/2011/1… |
|
|
587 |
@NRDC Saving
the climate, forests, our health, etc... divert us
from solving the problem, an economy built for ever multiplying demand. |
|
|
586 |
For the sovereign debt bubble the REAL
cure is to mark it all down globally and stop the endless re-lending of the
earnings that pumps it. |
|
|
585 |
Tricks of many kinds can add delays, but
the REAL way to keep financial bubbles from bursting is to let out some air
and turn off the pump. |
|
|
584 |
@jimmy_wales -
Nature loves super efficient designs that people scoff at, like funding the
web with subscribtions to every page at $.25/hr. |
|
|
583 |
I think responding as if the reality
mattered probably seems it might make us look stupid, but actually would make
us rightly proud. |
|
|
582 |
June 2011, PNAS, Recent ecological
responses to climate change support predictions of high extinction risk. pnas.org/content/early/… |
|
|
581 |
If impact reduction for a century, to
1900 levels, greatly cut the likely extinction of 1 in 8 species, would we
feel proud or look stupid? |
|
|
580 |
@Revkin In
the list of sources of ever growing resource demand, is there any one that
can continue without leaving the earth impoverished?? |
|
|
579 |
@Revkin Andy,
your links are great, but on impacts and resource supply. Aren't those
problems caused by our still ever growing demand?? |
|
|
578 |
@aleksj ...and I gather meritocracy and
aristocracy still dominate because generous curiosity is harder to explain?? |
|
|
577 |
In a way we're largely done with the
conquering phase, needing to catch up on the home making phase, more making
things whole than plunder. |
|
|
576 |
Trying not to break social codes as their
teachings fail, is a plausible reason for why most civilizations collapsed
faster than they grew. |
|
|
575 |
Facing why our ideals lead us to destroy
our planet is risky, seeing the addiction of those we trust to lying about
life and death matters. |
|
|
574 |
The oldest rule of science is to find
questions that have answers you can check, to keep building on by checking
them in new situations. |
|
|
573 |
Such clear confusion about reality, by
our entire world expert community, demands strong reactions and clearer
views, but where are they? |
|
|
572 |
Economists see no connection between
money and reality as equations have no people in them... and it's PEOPLE who
connect money to reality. |
|
|
571 |
There's an even BIGGER change in the
thought process that comes when you recognize that the active parts of ecosyste...bit.ly/sMWTOk |
|
|
570 |
We unsuspectingly benefit in New York,
from the spoils of all the stolen fortunes that come, as a game to some, life
or death to others. |
|
|
569 |
Why endless growth is needed to have
steady employment and income is mostly for ever growing pay for people piling
up money to never spend. |
|
|
568 |
Thinking nature works by how we think, of
course, is also an impoverished view, keeping the real magic of life and our
world hidden from us. |
|
|
567 |
So we don't notice that money piling up
as savings while earnings painfully shrink, is a "simple" matter of
the money saved not being spent. |
|
|
566 |
Mixing up consciousness, "what we
see", with the world, "what we look at", makes natural events
seem to work by our own social values. |
|
|
565 |
@postgrowth @theneweconomics @mlhynes -
Be angry with those who aren't! Our crime is improving life to the point of
destroying the earth. |
|
|
564 |
Where do you see it?? It's in "the
American dream" being "more", kept unassailably pure by
ignoring all the quite obvious consequences. |
|
|
563 |
Odd... that we took "improving
life" within a hair of destroying our future on earth, blind trust in
our great ideals clearly betraying us. |
|
|
562 |
@b0yle But
isn't there still some SMALL chance that there is a real world, the reality
we look at as opposed to the one we see in our heads? |
|
|
561 |
So.. if our cultural leaders are misled by mistaken ideals,
why? ..do they think reality is determined in their
thoughts, not the reverse?? |
|
|
560 |
Of ALL my marvelous creations, what it
the world made me think it would be fun to create a species to become the
ultimate global mess??? |
|
|
559 |
Listen carefully to those pointing to
deep problems with our common beliefs, and ignore those saying the problem is
cheaters and tricksters. |
|
|
558 |
It does indeed make a big difference in
the meaning, that you read my word "reorganize" as
"recognize"!! ok-) I ... bit.ly/rPQFva |
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557 |
Still.., it can be risky and painful to
question popular social ideals, even if it's evidently necessary for our own
survival as a society. |
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556 |
The thriving economies of nature we
admire, though, start with multiplying but change ideals, instead of
continuing it till they collapse. |
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555 |
Well.. the problem would HAVE to be the mistaken ideals of those
we admire and respect, their popular social images of a very false reality. |
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554 |
If government, science, finance and
business are all teamed up to help us plant economic seeds to multiply more
to a tragic end, why? |
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553 |
@nprguyraz You ask why the loss of trust??? How
about a society running short on resources that defines prosperity as
accelerating it?! |
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552 |
@kmett @aleksj Can't
getting lost in layers of spaghetti code be a sign of adding epicycles of
solutions to an always ill-defined problem? |
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551 |
@Bill_Gross @Storify #startup The
big common error in start-up's is not looking where they end up, thriving in an world designed to crash. |
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550 |
Among the huge mental errors that got us
here is that "finding resources" doesn't expand them at all, just
expands their rate of depletion. |
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549 |
The heart of our problem unexplored...?
An economy teaching us to specialize in using up its resources as fast as
possible, just for fun! |
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548 |
Teaching solutions keeps students from
exploring the problems, hiding why and how to take the lead, to pursue blind
specialization instead. |
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547 |
But an economy that adds by %'s, to give money ever bigger raises every day, gives us
bigger raises of complexity and conflicts daily too. |
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546 |
Oddly hidden, why using money to make
money keeps adding by %'s, giving out ever bigger
raises on every month, not realistic, just the math! |
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545 |
@danlatorre @Storify ...
but how do you tell mosaic's aren't swarms of
lemmings racing for the sea? It's what the math says we're doing... |
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544 |
The goal of "more" only ends in
a mess, unless on the way you discover your objective, and converge on some
design to make perfect. |
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543 |
What "S" curve of growth
systems (¸¸¸¸.•´ ¯) show is things building from
scratch by a path of discovery, ending in purposes and objectives. |
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542 |
@Revkin -
The cartoon tmblr.co/ZtU9QyBCjuwS is about our quest for "ever
more" having no objective, even after adding "and try to be nice". |
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541 |
The central problem remains... as
something that virtually everyone accepts as inevitable and unquestionable,
common and good, a mistake. |
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540 |
Is "Anti-TARP" the better
bailout for averting the next collapse, print money as past due wages for
shrinking the debt?synapse9.com/issues/reset$.… |
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539 |
@Revkin One
reason "best laid plans for CO2 cuts not nearly enough" is the demands
for outsourced energy use uncounted!synapse9.com/SEA |
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538 |
*Solve simple things first...* The root
of wealth inequality is earning by $units is linear and by $%'s is
exponential!synapse9.com/signals/2011/1… |
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537 |
@postgrowth Dick
Smith rather misses why growth failed as a model, compound expansion once
served everyone, then we collided with the earth. |
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536 |
Confusing but QUITE clear, financial
collapses are all caused by our taking ever bigger steps till we fall on our
face, not by tripping. |
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535 |
Confusing but QUITE clear, the next
financial collapse will also be for trying to continue financial growth, not
the mistakes to be made. |
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534 |
Confusing but QUITE clear, the financial
collapse was caused by trying to stabilize endless financial growth, not the
mistakes it exposed. |
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533 |
RE: @CapInstitute I
offered them a workshop proposal called "How systems change form in
nature… shows the way to change the economy disq.us/3wu5oy |
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532 |
When thinking of social networks as
becoming artificial realities full of nonsense, joke about ones you don't
like before your own. |
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@TEEB4ME OK,
but in reality... P x A x T does *NOT* = I (since 'T' is a quite reliable
multiplier of both 'P' & 'A'. synapse9.com |
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530 |
Another way to recycle plastics is to
make packaging like transformer toys, except to turn into versatile products! |
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529 |
@davos Storify
collection of Tweets on WEF wef.ch/H9uP All stimulus
and no sustainability for population, economy or earth. |
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528 |
Taking a mortgage in a stable world, if
bank investors hold their profits for more lending, debts grow and spending
to make incomes shrinks! |
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527 |
Another is, how
social networks form cells of self-serving media, internalized story worlds
serving more and more as separate realities. |
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526 |
Another item getting overlooked,
is how plans for preventing climate change need financing from ever expanding
consumer and investor greed! |
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525 |
@edyong209 @kzelnio The
real main reason biology came into question is viral cells of social media,
the information age as disease not cure. |
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524 |
Something, something... about what we're
all doing in response to what's happening around us, seems incredibly
unobservant. |
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523 |
Meanwhile... back at the planet, (fill in
characters and actions you see) |
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522 |
A real Christmas gift would be to have
the Boomers, Corps and Rich all spending down their cash, to relieve the
earth of debts and greed. |
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521 |
#OCCUPYWALLSTREET @addbusters Ask
how "organized by greed" becomes "by needs", if boomers
and rich to spend their Wall Street profits. |
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Oct. 22 Updates on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET by @adbusters(featuring @OccupyChicago, @AACina, @MikeElk)adbusters.org/campaigns/occu… via @storify |
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519 |
Still, as Keynes clearly said and the
Scrooge found out, there's no fun at all in taking your society to the bitter
end by hording money. |
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What catches us off guard is everything
in nature also begins with greed, but switches to generosity when it finds
itself, and we haven't. |
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517 |
What makes it greed is like a Ponzi scheme, reliable winnings you can keep adding to
your bets, as everyone expects to get from Wall Street! |
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516 |
What would change society from being
organized around greed to human needs is for both the boomers and the rich to
spend down their assets. |
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515 |
Is that the way Steve Jobs would solve
things, a perfectionist like nature herself? Would real solutions to growth
give it a perfect end? |
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514 |
We get caught in using stop gap
solutions, as if just milking the problem while making it worse, like using
efficiency to reduce demand. |
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513 |
That human societies keep developing
beyond their own safe limits, drowning in their own complexity, doesn't mean
they have to. |
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512 |
Nature is full of examples of things that
push the limits of their design, but stay safely back from going over them
too, "S" curve growth. |
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But still, why are we accepting a formula
for prosperity requiring ever growing speed and complexity of change and
depletion of resources? |
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510 |
And... so
navigating a moving landscape with a map that's not allowed to change... led
to crash after crash after crash after crash... |
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509 |
So... the flowing rules of the
environment like growth, the purpose for enforcing the fixed rules of money,
were simply never studied. |
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508 |
It seems... concentrated money comes from
enforcing fixed rules, and so science was only paid to study the fixed rules
of nature. |
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507 |
Our cultures persistently don't notice
that the rules of nature change as you change your own environment. |
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506 |
The rules of an environment flow like a
good story, but for thousands of years authoritarian
man built cultures for fixed rules instead. |
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505 |
Sadly, not just selfish things will grow
to overwhelm the economy. Healthcare also expands health needs to use all the
resource available. |
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504 |
The problem isn't people really, but our
cultures being unable to adapt to the change in the earth, our knowledge not
flowing with nature. |
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503 |
It's all about learning to observe, where
productivity ends and greed begins, taking nature for the fool she ain't.synapse9.com/drafts/Jessie'… |
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502 |
Good example in NY Times today, people
who sold gas drilling leases can't get mortgages when banks see the haz waste liability as a cost. |
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501 |
Better way to balance the budget, stop
discounting the environmental liabilities we can measure & tax those
profiting not public credit card |
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500 |
We babble, don't we.
If we spend ~$4 a gallon for gas, how much is the cost for our kids?
...having to rebuild a failed society from nothing |
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@tweetingdonal @Revkin #pace -
Our running out of money for stop gap measures is nature's clear hint, we
better solve the real problem! |
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@Revkin ...
But "the hard choices" are often really
the easier ones in the end, actually solving things instead of just putting
it off. |
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497 |
To end wealth inequity, so wealth
reflects the value of work, earnings in $%'s are spent making $unit incomes
for work by the piece or hour. |
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496 |
To be precise, wealth inequality grows
when some people earn by $%'s and other people earn in $units, it's
exponential versus linear income. |
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495 |
@storyofstuff @bgreedngrowth @PaulHassing -
Might check out@
... straight to stuff beyond the story, what nature needs from
us |
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494 |
Curious that Keynes really said to stop
adding capital returns to capital so growing greed doesn't outpace the
economy.synapse9.com/signals |
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493 |
Interesting that science has no way to
define "large" or "small", arguably one's most
relationship with their environment. |
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492 |
@stuarthorrex To
say "cheapest is the best environmentally" sounds like the science
behind "impacts = incomes" fromsynapse9.com/SEA. |
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491 |
lnkd.in/a87885 I was hoping to point to the
multiple kinds of complexity. I think some are matters of degree and others
matters... |
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490 |
@CapInstitute Gar
Alperowitz complains of reformers, just like him,
who propose cures without asking if they'll cause the same disease. |
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489 |
Well, which is a better source of fresh
cultural thinking, doubting your assumptions or affirming your aspirations?synapse9.com/signals |
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lnkd.in/eXxVKm I posted this a couple days ago,
thought it likely to be quite helpful, so reposting today with an edit.
There's... |
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487 |
Experts see a static world in their minds
following the events of the past. The real world is seen building crises by
accumulating steps. |
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486 |
Fiduciary money managers plant money as
seed to multiply seed till it bursts the economic environment because their
clients (we) ask them to |
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485 |
No farmer would be that dumb, of course,
but for some strange reason fiduciary money managers always are. |
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484 |
@aleksj And also just like money, even in
the summer any crop can become a total loss by overplanting |
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483 |
...not that it isn't also quite difficult
for us to connect words with both objects of nature and of thought and not
get them very confused. |
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482 |
Look, what seems missing is any strong
interest in why the experts have so miscalculated our self-interests #paceblogsynapse9.com/signals |
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481 |
In nature, growth systems **with a
survival instinct** change from investing profits to grow their conflicts to
spending on minimizing them. |
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Not the least difficulty with money, is how our minds give us a world made of just our
social relationships, quite leaving nature out...! |
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Social movements do well with social
conflicts. But the money problem is a conflict within our own ideas of
nature, and a less easy target. |
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478 |
@OccupyWallSt If
your cabinets are the wrong color and too small, you still need carpentry
plans, tools and supplies to change the system. |
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477 |
@OccupyWallSt @TeaParty .. The 1 + 2 + 3 argument =
to more jobs and less debt, is spending from the excesses of concentrated
profits. |
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476 |
If the problem is bigness getting bigger,
taking over the earth and our lives, closely study what additions cause it. @OccupyWallSt |
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@OccupyWallSt What
social networks can do that experts often can't is notice the new questions
going around and ask them loud and clear. |
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@OccupyWallSt Of
all the essential ingredients, what social networks have the most trouble
finding is fresh insight...synapse9.com/signals/ |
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473 |
@johnmsmart Yea,
OK, but that won't work either if the only "stable state" of our
economy has ever multiplying demand. |
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@OccupyWallSt Good
bets do thrive at first, adding your winnings to them again and again, but
destroys your whole environment to continue. |
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471 |
@OccupyWallSt wants
to "change the culture" unaware how that comes from our "not
changing the procedure", that of *adding winnings to bets*. |
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470 |
Jobs said "aim higher". Are we
being defeating by compromise? Growing impacts can be stopped only for the
WHOLE, with NO parts left out. |
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469 |
Steve Jobs wanted people to know their
own vision, and the difference between vision and what there is to build with
too, to make it real. |
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468 |
That's what I described as a natural
limit due to growth creating confusion, in the 1979 essay "The Infinite
Society".synapse9.com/phpub.htm |
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467 |
Another structure changing our world is
everyone trying to be efficient by doing everything in a hurry, making plans
into scrambled eggs! |
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466 |
...but confounding the WHOLE effort is
our inability to get plans for our working categories to correspond to
nature's working things, |
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465 |
Since if we don't stop growing in scale
we'll keep dismembering our environments and families for parts to maximize
their service to money. |
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464 |
and, spending from saved unearned income is what's needed,
*nature's way*, to stop using the economy's profits for multiplying its
scale. |
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463 |
The difference is between how nature
works, with ever changing relationships, and our running the world with
formulas for fixing them. |
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462 |
@STWR_ #occupywallstreet The RIGHT goal changes the system.
Not taxing the rich, but their spending enough accumulated unearned income. |
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Do think of nature less as categories connected
by our views and feelings, more as organizations emerging within webs of
building prosesses. |
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460 |
... "planting
to care for offspring", harvesting from investment to feed others not
just multiply more investment... is real sustainability. |
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459 |
...and natural for men to feel more
undirected as planting seed to multiply seed comes to an end, and planting to
care for offspring begins. |
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458 |
The root confusion, of course, finding
answers reflecting ourselves as what's real, just ignoring the life around us
raising new questions. |
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457 |
Our choice to become lost in
self-entertainments and technology, at our time to turn and find our place on
earth, irony for synergy later. |
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456 |
Or simply, growth *always* makes trusted
ways of the past impossible in the future, including growth, so living in the
past comes to an end. |
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455 |
@HarvardBiz #CSR Shouldn't
long term maintenance of the business environment show as a
anticipated costs on current business balance sheets? |
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454 |
@csrexecs #CSR is
also the tool to help companies understand why nature forces whole growth
systems to think of something else to do. |
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453 |
@ryanschuchard #CSR supply
chain carbon is tricky, exposing major environmental accounting error in ISO
14000 std's...synapse9.com/SEA |
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452 |
So... the whole design of economies, for
endless growth to start, makes them naturally impossible and needing
reinvention as something else. |
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Mother nature's game is to give things
one game only to throw them off it, just to see what they do. Odd indeed, but
immensely creative. |
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450 |
It's just nature's "zany" way
of thinking, to start things with impossible dreams of infinity, to watch how
they scramble for alternatives. |
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449 |
What's always unexpected is how growth is
designed to make itself impossible... cooking an environment for the
evolution of something else. |
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448 |
...and then also that every new situation would seem to require 'downloading' new software from someplace... |
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447 |
Maybe the problem with determinism is the needed rules for the software having to be much more complex than the hardware. |
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446 |
@aleksj -Related to fall off in use of words "growth" and "complex"? See Google ngram. |
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So science can't have determined all causes are external, if internal causes occur but information on how is naturally hidden from our view. |
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You see organisms, storms, cultures, technologies, movements, etc, animated by bursts of change internally, for no apparent outside cause. |
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443 |
An important observation is how clearly the way nature organizes things remains hidden inside the things she organizes, out of our view. |
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@STWR_ Sure, speculation can drive up prices... but the actionable cause is they only can when demand exceeds supply.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves… |
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@Revkin - Brooks' blames our "inability to think about the economy in a realistic way"...the irony is EVERYONE else is saying that too!! ;-) |
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@politifact What's the truth to the endlessly repeated claim that how we've changed the earth only expands our potential for more growth? |
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... it's our social belief and value systems that substitute for nature, when based on the social responses we get not curiosity and reason. |
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Is it natural for people to say nature works so differently than it does? Yes, quite. It's more effort to base ideas on what you observe. |
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That systems in nature work that way, bursting in scale from a seed, to survive only by stopping, can't have been studied by our ancestors. |
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436 |
So, at the end of the run for "Be fruitful and multiply." the practice that was so fruitful becomes completely unmanageable, unless stopped. |
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So it's really investors (us) that demand to have regulators, banks, science & markets multiply our investments till becoming unmanageable. |
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The joke is that why democracies are failing is the same reason dictatorships are too, ever growing solutions that create hopeless problems. |
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So the real reason democracy is failing is that finance multiplied solutions into completely unmanageable problems. |
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432 |
Planting your seed to keep multiplying your seed, the way finance works, brings exceptional bounty sure to end in exceptional tragedy. |
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The real fault isn't with regulators or banks, but 'mad' investors demanding a stability for ever multiplying returns that won't go bankrupt. |
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It's not the buildings that sustained us before making us unsustainable now. It's our scale, and money driving it to increase ever faster. |
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That's the escape, from seeing our cultures as reality and keeping the old rules as we changed the earth, bring in new meaning from outside. |
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So.. it really is NOT a problem of fulfilling our high cultural values, but looking outside our cultures for guidance on new higher values. |
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Our cultures and theories for growth formed when we were tiny and the earth seemed infinite, now the earth's reality reversed but not ours. |
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Very curious denial, of clearly shrinking resources and growing world demand, fiduciaries all agree our best interest is in rapid growth. |
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Is the problem of investors today getting returns on the seeds they plant, to then plant more, or managing the explosions of consequences? |
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... and in the news, little but bombs, disasters and crises, while the explosions of new relationships in nature and culture go ignored. |
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...instead, having missed the turn we're still planting our seed to multiply our seeds till our entire crop wilts, ...the bitter end again. |
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Like, if finding a way to comfortably end growth was in the 1910 plan for our national parks, the good turning point would have been ~1950. |
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Going till you get to the end of the road often means you missed your turn... |
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@Revkin Causality at stake?? If you read science as saying nature follows our formulas, caisality never even had a place, only prediction. |
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Asking "If prediction isn't causation, what is??" can be a VERY good question, giving much more useful answers, like choices along the way. |
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As economies require profit for resilience or growth, warriors would see an endless use for growth as preparing for the wars it leads to. |
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417 |
The Bible displays our most ancient of recorded world views, authoritarian in its foundation, no hint of life as an ecology of partnerships. |
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Our authoritarian approach to life could come from "be fruitful and multiply" naturally causing mortal environmental conflict at its limit. |
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It's the obvious connection between money and nature, that we use money to request service from people using nature, still being overlooked. |
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414 |
Yes, it also means that what you put in the plastic bag would typically have over 1000 times the impact as the plastic of the bag. |
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e.g. As SEA proves energy use largely comes from human services, not technology, our plans need total rethinking. synapse9.com/SEA |
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So, prospering by using up life's necessities ever faster is "OK", if as it seems, it doesn't alter your social relationships. |
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So, why would dramatic and easily confirmed facts get no response? In our culture the physical world, by itself, has no social meaning. |
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So, if we use money to measure "externalities", i.e. providing physical goods and services, what then is the limit of adding money by %'s ?? |
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The choice is to find how the images in our minds are unlike the world we live in, telling concepts and theories from partnerships in life. |
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Using profits to multiply demand till the system collapses... is optional. |
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Honoring the ever growing demands of money pushes life to madness, only repeating our ancient fall from grace. It's a total waste of time. |
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Pushing growing demand till your world collapses is a betrayal of one's maker, one's ancestors, ones own whole history of creative struggle. |
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The curious problem with pushing financial demands to the collapse of a finance system, again and again, is it serves nothing but madness. |
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Most struggle to find concepts for how nature works eventful things so simply, and scientists to find anything eventful in their concepts. |
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...but why doesn't it get discussed that the need to deliver growing returns from shrinking recourses blocks every real solution?? |
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Systems that end in crises get there by having a pump of growing demands in the loop, and are relieved by turning it down or off. |
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With all these mounting crises one would think people would take an interest in what systems naturally end in crisis and their relief. |
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@Revkin @grist There is also large collateral damage from people still not discussing of individual emerging systems that make life lively. |
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So, that would mean "Question your knowledge" isn't enough, and needs to start with "Question your culture". |
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So, it might seem our culture is based on our knowledge, but looking around, only the reverse would put us in such strange deep trouble. |
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@@Revkin ... So that's confirming with a reasonable cause the decade scale cycle I said would lead to this wave of denialism, ~20 years ago. |
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So yes, it seems something surely needs to be cut, but can we tell which of natures parts is our umbilical cord and which is our throat? |
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Because forming a circle of relationships is the first definite step if new identity, a structure required for and capable of growth. |
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It's the circles of relationships in nature you watch for, by how they show their own connected behaviors, forming whole individual systems. |
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Ever growing expectations are unreal, that's all. It makes being faithful to them the problem, not the solution. |
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The brains in finance are just dropping the ball, not even studying what causes their expectation to inflate and assure cascading collapse. |
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People think Keynes was an total optimist, willing to bet on it. Actually he faced the darkness, and saw through it. synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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It's just incorrect to equate "making money" by growing your own drain of credit from other things, with "making wealth" for the economy. |
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It comes from thinking of nature as made for our social rules, and planting seed only to multiply the seed, as if nature could handle it. |
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Finance is in such trouble from traders trading for their own accounts, putting money in to take ever more out, that can't last naturally. |
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Why money pumps things up to just drain them dry, at the limit the still growing savings of some comes from draining the savings of others. |
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Does reaching for infinity become practical, by just committing to keep up with the ever bigger steps till they're out of reach? |
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When a system is already overbuilt, it's a still greater waste to continue overbuilding it. So when do we start asking how rather than why? |
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Their hiding place? In plain sight, never in our information but only internal to their own circles of organization, hidden from our view. |
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And science has **not even begun** to study the systems of nature that so handily take care of themselves,... no clue where they are even. |
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So, it seems the conceptual realities are irresolvable, even hard to make any sense of, having found no grip on the physical ones yet. |
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The bond markets keep telling us what to do so they can have systematically multiplying savings, and the intellectuals keep wondering why. |
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It's so easy to catch yourself blaming the surfer for the wave, like the ultra rich for leading a society with dreams so certain to fail. |
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@@cjeder Well, except the usual effect of efficiency is increasing energy uses 2.5 times the amount of saved... making each more profitable. |
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So, my natural systems science locates nature's hidden circles for studying their emerging behaviors, lights shining into that blind spot. |
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Or, is nature is better seen as a "wicked gossip", keeping her secrets to the circles that invent them so well, we're just quite unaware? |
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@cjeder but... IF you add the 8000btu/$ of human services needed to operate the airline and the cars, both should go up more than 100%. |
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Is it a self-betrayal?? ...to avoid discussing what practical ways exist to stop money from piling up, uncontrollably, to topple our world? |
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It's not our social values causing nature trouble and to misbehave, as she listens ONLY to our procedures, we may not see, and nothing else. |
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@donmacca @guardian @pdenlinger ... Of course, Google's GHG no. will be off from reality by a scale of 5 due to method.synapse9.com/SEA |
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It would be so nice if nature could understand the language of our social policies, and didn't only listen when we're speaking hers. |
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@Revkin @TreeHugger The Onion misses the deeper reason. Growth and climate change have to keep accelerating to pay for slowing them down! |
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@ezraklein What the economy needs is not to be "goosed" again, nor to "let it rip". Those are just beating up on an very overworked world. |
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@postgrowth @adbusters @donmacca Yes, the wave is ready to break, but the grass roots still aren't on it! Nature isn't run by social policy. |
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@Revkin Isn't the real answer that slowing down radiation speeds up convection EVERYWHERE?? Let's teach people to think scientifically! |
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Free will isn't of much use without clear vision, is it. But we just don't yet see our habit of adding %'s as what's exploding our planet. |
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The other "Why??" is less simple. Why no one notices is that most see nature as behaving according to our culture wars, and not by herself. |
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The useful full answer to "Why??" is simple. Why it gets bigger and changing faster than we can manage is our always adding to it by %'s. |
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Money takes over our lives because it's designed to; to use its control to add to its control, by %'s forever, men out planting their seeds! |
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Hard science in the media? When in doubt, just hold the social status of the noise makers responsible for all natural events. |
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@postgrowth Perhaps the much stronger force of social isolation due to growth is social networks forming their own realities in isolation. |
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@GreatConvergnce @genesharpfilm .. One can't start a revolution without truth. Without limits to money we're just apologists and stooges. |
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@postgrowth "Positive Money" still missing **the one thing** that has to change, the endless growth rule of investment.positivemoney.org.uk/take-action/sp… |
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@EarthUnSummit12 @wecanada Why does every "earth summit" seem to recommit us to paying for externalities with multiplying externalities??? |
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@sergirovira @felixdodds - The future IS an achievement, and "S" curves of development reflect the nature of its construction, not numbers. |
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Nature does love our making her pregnant, but she has us pay quite dearly for doing it more and more, while never budgeting for child care. |
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What would float the jobs is only one thing, for the wealthy to spend money to give people earnings, not lend it to raise their debts. |
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A matter of scale, the men planting their seed in nature, for a growing harvest of planting ever more seed, till nature just can't take it. |
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@postgrowth Alternative economies are great niche solutions but won't fix a money system running amuck... you need Keynes' lasting solution. |
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@RBReich - But if what hurt the middle class is "the earth is full", how to slow down not speeding up is what'll help.synapse9.com/signals |
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Maybe... "equal time" should just apply to personal expression, and applied to sound science treats science as just opinion, not discovery. |
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S.O.S. S.O.S. The ship will sink if the wealthy don't spend enough money to permanently relieve everyone of excess debt. Hoarding adds up. |
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@Revkin @chrishughes @jumoconnect @GOOD - but what is slowing pace of change is NOT getting the word out, but confusion & misdirection. |
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@ScienceChanges Development begins with a burst of new relationships, processes scaling up to satisfy the energy continuity of development. |
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So you really wonder how our culture doesn't notice the little explosions of new relationships at the start of everything that happens. |
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Little bang theory... where it all begins! Every beginning built with a little burst of new relationships. |
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To have energy continuity requires process continuity, and innovation to be a little bang of construction at the beginning of all events. |
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Change isn't pressure or noise, but needs "mutation" to be a construction process, a burst of new relationships emerging, innovation. |
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@postgrowth yes, EF is a well constructed measure, but a small part of total demand, like missing ever growing demands on our talents too. |
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@aleksj Well, what's replacing commuting with communicating also splits the economy into unequal upward and downwardly mobile parts!! |
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@postgrowth @paulgilding @Freemoneyday ...but the ONLY effective anti shopping campaign is an anti earning campaign, at ~8000btu/$GDP! |
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Only one first time for anything,... unless you consider everything to be a first time for everything, life as information or a process! |
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Perception is a stream of snap judgments, rarely pausing to ask dumb questions, like why does giving money to money no longer pays us back. |
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@STWR_ In 5 min on the US debt, left out is the dilemma that paying debt doesn't produce spending, but debt upon debt to bankrupt the world. |
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..the main problem with natural systems, of course, is how they work inside is quite hidden from view, only hinted by external behavior, |
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So, we keep trying to fix our worlds of social relations, with no idea how or why our worlds of physical systems around us keep changing. |
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So, we keep trying to fix our social concept worlds, paying no attention at all to how and why the physical one is changing. |
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What we see in our minds is our own world of internal social relationships, that we confuse with the ones our world works or fails by. |
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@postgrowth - fine personal lives, but "simple life" won't alter "critical breakdowns in world systems". Want to live well in a corpse? |
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Common finding?... my "How natural system bankruptcy works" & Colin Campbell's "Seneca effect" synapse9.com/signals/2011/0…cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2011/08/seneca… |
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@TEEB4ME Circular economy MUST include circular money - concept J.M. Keynes, Chapter 16, The General Theory -synapse9.com/ref/KeynesGenT… |
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Engineers err on the side of caution when taking on greater challenges, but for economists caution is to add them by %'s... |
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With our having such an ethic of kindness, it's evidently our ignorance that makes us behave so extraordinarily cruel. |
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At the limits of healthy growth stronger parts can keep growing by consuming the economic resources of the weak, even as the total shrinks. |
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Why does economic growth become cannibalistic? It's our rules for managing our savings, the same as for cancer, only invest to expand. |
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Why does economic growth become cannibalistic? It's our rules for using money to make money. They ask investment managers to do it. |
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Why does economic growth become cannibalistic at its limits? The strong then can only grow by consuming the (market share of the) weak. |
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@climate_diplo @KHayhoe ..."How to talk to climate skeptics"? Boy, I wish I could get past the confused fixations of climate believers! |
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#sustdev and 'green design' equally neglect the large and diverse resource demands made by ANY spending of money.synapse9.com/SEA |
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@donmacca Maclurcan offers nice images, yes, but should work with me to get them to work in nature. Nature doesn't follow social policy... |
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@pwjohnson @EarthUnSummit12 @Revkin Both #sustdev and "green economy" ignore the outsourced impacts of money, so not much different at all. |
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#irene 8:00AM No branches down anywhere in Ft Tryon park, but one, oddly broken in 8 pieces as if smashed to bits by force. |
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Two great waves of immigration, one when finding room & ways to grow, the other as growth created conflicts, different.synapse9.com/issues/Immigra… |
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If it seems the "social cost of CO2" is closer to $900/ton, the real cost per $GDP is then $0.41 scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id… synapse9.com/SEA |
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@EarthUnSummit12 @Revkin @pwjohnson - #sustainable is false really, reality SO different, just reducing visible impacts to grow hidden ones. |
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@EarthUnSummit12 @Revkin @pwjohnson - #susdev OK except 90% is usual devl. with new name & old outsourced energy use. synapse9.com/SEA/ |
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@Revkin ..but Hansen is still proposing we pay for the climate mitigation by consuming all other economic resources ever faster...! |
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Using money to just squeeze the world for more money, isn't nurturing the earth. It's our men, obsessed with empty symbols and going mad. |
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It's an internal choice to respond, not a rule or external force. Is that what's confusing? A time to take in and a time to release it... |
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It's an investment system that reinvests its profits as it becomes over-investing, like we are... that drives itself into total bankruptcy. |
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0ne thing any development system in nature needs to do is reinvest it's profits to grow and divest them to mature and survive. |
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I solved the physics problem 30 years ago, to find Keynes had solved it 50 years before me, what nature needs us to do at growth limits. |
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@Revkin We'd respond as if to a hurricane, if we spent 1/10 the effort on the changing rates of using and finding affordable resources. |
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@donmacca Economies are only slightly responsive to social policy, and not if money opposes. It ALL rests on relieving money's need to grow |
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If the deep problem is world resource demand increasing faster than supply... to restore growing demand to solve it will just make it worse! |
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Our most depleted resource is our ability to find more resources to deplete, long just assumed infinite, but actually not hard to check. |
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@TEEB4ME How about someone studying how economies work as ecologies?????? That's the real subject we owe 5000 years of back homework on. |
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@TEEB4ME ..Please, When growth becomes unprofitable for the whole, every part is at real risk. To divest not invest profits saves the day. |
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Keynes first talked about the obvious solution for 20 years, then Boulding for 40, then me for 30+. It's still the one way systems survive. |
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A friend says I should find a cartoonist or animator to help me illustrate the living world I see. |
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As the world gets more complex and less manageable it needs more resources, and progressive depletion allows less.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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Is the film in the camera the environment seen in the picture? Does it work by the relationships observers see, as most science relies on? |
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Does the organization of how things work ever change from anywhere other than the inside, largely out of view largely by observers? |
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Looking at the world, do the things you see work by the relationships YOU see?... or does each have a world with a heart beat of its own? |
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Nature thought a little birthday party would be nice, a way to begin. But nobody came. So she just relaxed and watched the grass grow. |
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Say YES to great symbolic statements...Tell Obama to Say NO to Tar Sands. Pls RT act.350.org/sign/tar-sands/ ...and go much further yourself. |
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It's a natural system bankruptcy, EROI < 1, ever growing demand exceeding supply, shedding failing parts til it weakens the whole like Rome. |
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We finally overcame nature, the dumb way... but by rejecting her from our social realities, a harrowing partner rejection to come. |
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Our words became ungrounded and lost their real meanings because of our cultural choice to not accept nature in our social realities. |
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Even the IPCC calls for ever growing resource depletion to pay for climate mitigation... Yea, that'll work great! natural system bankruptcy |
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@donmacca Not one confronts needing to end ever growing profits. The physical world requires, the social world denies.synapse9.com/signals |
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@postgrowth - It's wrong to say "We are ecological accountants" like EF does, overlooking outsourced impacts of money.synapse9.com/SEA |
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I think the only reasonable conclusion is that somehow all our metaphors got broke, and just don't connect anymore. |
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@Revkin Rick Perry may be mad... just as divorced from reality as our world plan to sustain prosperity with ever faster resource depletion. |
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Maybe it's that so many people are trying to get a word in edgewise, practically one actually gets a chance to say anything... |
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Sparks originate opportunistically, storms originate opportunistically, phase changes originate opportunistically... |
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How come learning broke down, and everyone became an ego universalist??? |
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It seems there needs to be an opportunistic event for beginning any deterministic process. |
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In nature, growth is NOT a number on a sliding scale. It's a construction project for making something lasting and succeeds, or it fails. |
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Finding someone else's pocket to pick doesn't tell you why everyone is getting so desperate to find someone else's pocket to pick... |
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I might not have noticed... but for being offended by how men keep screwing nature just to create bigger screw guns, with no other purpose. |
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Money is actually pumped from the earth, in the form of delivered goods and services, and *that's* why it can't keep multiplying any more. |
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"More" is a terrible purpose to keep for centuries, even "saving lives" then creates diseases, bad genes & incompetence nature wouldn't. |
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@aleksj But what if information is now interpreted from invented social realities, ever more divorced from the common complex real world. |
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Look at the world consensus economic policy, more growth to use depleting resources and create externalities to not respond to ever faster. |
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Go outside your familiar network... |
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It seems an information age naturally leaves you trying to run the world with culture wars, each viewing it from its own reality. |
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It's also progress that exhausts *affordable* resources ever faster... so high overhead economies that get hit hardest. |
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Whose job is that anyway, dealing with a world psychosis... like belief in prosperity assured by using up shrinking resources ever faster? |
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Hunter/gatherers took from nature to use and work on at home, but then some used their takes to only multiply, and stopped bringing it home. |
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In real science, theory is the question, and the study of nature is always the answer. |
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@postgrowth @Freemoneyday @VenessaMiemis 13 books... that still don't fix the way we use money to grow investments...synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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@postgrowth @degrowth "co-creating no growth world" also adds to wonder about why economic "crazies" seem ALL around.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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@STWR_ @yesmagazine "Resilient Economy" adds to wonder about why economic "crazies" seem ALL around.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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Even life saving is limited by promoting genes and incompetence nature would have eliminated, needing a greater purpose than just "more". |
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Growth always continues till it eliminates the conditions for growth, a change in rules like your birth getting you evicted from the womb. |
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Now... if anyone would connect that with our driving money the opposite way.. we'd be getting places. thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/0… |
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Arctic sea ice trend.. very graphically displayed...thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/0… |
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Why do politicians all agree on our wasting our effort getting back to using things up ever faster to remain prosperous?? Won't work. |
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You know, like some days it's just time to listen to your own body, as it's got things to say to you? The earth's our body, listen. |
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Natural systems grow in their own bubbles, as self-defined networks growing from a seed, emerging in a burst of self-organization. |
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When it comes down to it, the people who have difficulty acknowledging error are the ones who are just not curious about the real world. |
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What kills confidence more than anything else is endless over-investment, squeezing everyone's margins to a common point of disillusionment. |
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...and while not finding any resting place offering growth, still fooling both computer and man that hopes to find the world is infinite. |
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Are wild daily gyrations "the Twitter Effect" with the world's market chasers and followers flocking like birds finding no place to land? |
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Managing for growth results in taking on more complex tasks till the system doing it becomes unmanageable, so manage for response instead. |
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A system of ever growing complexity now naturally exceeding the limits of its own self regulation, as clearly described in 1979. |
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Market players driving turmoil to profit from it, not to share in what's profitable to others? Spoiling the game fun at first, then ugly. |
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"I'll Be Gone / You'll Be Gone" is financial manipulation, that naturally grows ever faster when that's what profitable investment is left. |
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The social contract becomes one sided, money goes into things, but only with guarantees to take more out, till it breaks the social order. |
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Investing money into things to take more out first stimulates then overtakes and destroys them. An infinite thing chasing a finite one. |
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The real cause is accumulated money accumulating more and more, bankrupting the cash economy. It irreversible when the bars begin to close. |
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So, one real way to fix the drain of money from the cash economy into finance is to print as much as 30 years of our wages to hand out. ;-) |
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What's the real difference between adding by units and adding in %'s? For flows in nature one can be a steady state, and the other can't. |
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@EarthUnSummit12 @artate - and... ALL our institutions designed to remain "stable" by multiplying in scale forever too... odd design, no? |
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Really Phil, you're forgetting the true reality is the epicycles for our theory, not the things of nature, if you know what's good for you. |
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@aleksj Trader's "hands on faces" seems GD endless! Must be the world in our brains isn't found in reality... synapse9.com/signals |
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"Reading Nature's Signals" for learning how to read the individual behaviors of the living systems of nature.google.com/reader/view/fe… |
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We built the fixed design of our society around taking two cookies from nature for every one we took before, like a mindless 2 year old. |
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The real crisis is how people think nature uses their own social network's theory, so can't read what her signals mean!synapse9.com/signals |
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A long infantile habit of taking two cookies for every one you took before... naturally leads to this (usual tragic bedlam). |
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With finance designed for everyone to take over the world at once, many find hoarding cash is their last refuge, and the world seizes up... |
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Keynes actually predicted this very kind of natural end-of-growth crisis, ever growing savings getting shrinking returns synapse9.com/signals/ |
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CapitalInstitute.com Synapse9.com. Poking our heads above the
waves! |
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Enough spending by those with excess savings averts world default when growth becomes unprofitable. (Keynes Chapter 16)synapse9.com/ref/KeynesGenT… |
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If enough spending by those with excess savings would both end growth and avert world default on it as debt, then what's their motive??? |
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Is it that we live in a physical world, not a
theoretical world, that all the theoretical arts
simply missed, just looking the other way??? |
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How did science not notice, that all the systems we see developing and operated from the inside, aren't controlled by forces from outside??? |
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The catch for mainstream science, for example, is how nature operates in cells working internally, so not ruled by what observers can see. |
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I am looking, but just don't find any stream of western culture that doesn't treat nature as its own theory... and they're all different. |
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@Revkin Friedman's "5 eroded pillars" (of perpetual growth), omits the need for rapidly depleting resources and the conflicts that causes. |
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Owning an ever growing share, of an ever more fictional pie, your value is still what you can sell it for, right?? But leads to panic... |
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The impression is our whole intellectual culture is profoundly blind or dishonest... as nearly everyone's theories treat nature as a theory. |
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In the end, money IS reality, no financial system is stable if those with savings just squeezed it for more, and don’t spend their earnings. |
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Love is all you need! ...except
figuring out why a world filled with so much of it is also so amazingly
ignorant of nature. |
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Learn words referring directly to
events and objects of nature, and for her meanings, separate from word uses
for our beliefs and values. |
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How money connects to reality is by
our using it for making requests for ever growing control of the earth, which
backfires at the limits. |
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The ideal economic
product, low cost, little thought needed, direct
access to the brain's pleasure centers... our consuming main activity! |
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Do we protect endangered species?
...or more our own dependency on the money, what actually causes the great
threat to nature and the earth? |
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Do we "save lives" or more
often just bodies? ...added to our list of credits, but rewarded with only
painful struggle and to die unnoticed. |
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@revkin - Well, looking for first causes, what's always done the most to keep
speeding up warming is "making money", the one whole cause. |
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Social networks drifting ever
further into their own social realities... Ever more urged by nature go the
other way!
synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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Everyone says,
"Well my theory is..." as if that was all nature required to give
them a whole new reality. |
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All the paths for
escaping the house of self-love are so overgrown you can hardly see where
they are anymore. |
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Still... beats me how to get love to
be truthful. I'm just surrounded by intellectual cultures in love with
themselves and happy to be. |
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Putting money in to take more out, pumps
things up but then drains them dry, a fine boom-bust stewardship for our
lives.
synapse9.com/issues/Reading… |
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@revkin ...
The MUCH bigger
problem is "leading experts" have long assumed we lived in a deterministic
world, only now finding out we don't. |
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Interesting that Teilhard de Chardin was the
genius McLuhan got his main ideas from... but never mentioned. Strange
intellects, ice on fire |
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That scientists counted
only ~1/5 of the energy demands of businesses (SEA) let environmentalists
make great errors.synapse9.com/SEA |
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Money multiplies for
people who manage money, not anyone else. That difference grows relentlessly
unless money earnings get spent. |
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MCluhan's "the medium is the message" seems to mean that in the
future every cultural network can look out from its own private bubble. |
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@mothernaturenet @revkin still not checking if "clean tech" comes from "dirty
money", the usual investment plan to take over all of nature. |
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how would one know whether "clean tech" came from "dirty
money" or not, the usual plot of investors to turn the whole earth into
products. |
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What if everyone
found a good use for everyone else's trash, like nature does, acting as her
partner instead of her worst problem. |
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What animates change in nature are explosions of
self-organization we see as "growth", but mysteriously it's not
even a subject of physics. |
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People "living
on the edge" are often kept there by aid that fails to change their
problem, only making it worse by trying to hide it. |
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Paper on 500%
adjustment in what energy uses to count, just awarded ASME prize for best
Energy Sustainability paper 2010synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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the problem with social networks is nature gets seen as their social
construct, even science, with language, as yet, defining everything. |
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mother nature also kindly reminds us, you better not address her as
"sir" either, if you want to get along... |
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nature is at a loss how to help her creation, that denies her physical
working parts, treating them like just a game of social appearances. |
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@aleksj One also needs to look at immigration as a series of great waves and
historic events.. synapse9.com/issues/USImmig… |
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Where do you find
the natural world?synapse9.com/signals/2011/0… |
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There's nothing
wrong with the joys of our lives at all, but letting others use them to drive
the earth to exhaustion. |
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Would we find
reality more likely in things we can explain, or in things we are at a loss to
but nature does simply, like growth and change. |
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In demanding CO2 use
if we could smell the gas, we'd get a cubic meter blast for every single
dollar of GDP we spent.synapse9.com/design/dollars… |
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If growth is like
pregnancy, and creates something, limitless growth is a plan to exhaust all
resources before budgeting for child rearing. |
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@aleksj Growth as a "pulse" is more like pregnancy, you just can't stay
in it, and have REAL IMPORTANT things to do and care for then. |
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@aleksj Social media make belief culturally affirming... but observation not,
and so are biased against reading nature.synapse9.com/signals/ |
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@Revkin Environmentalists also impressively ignore the actual source of demand, that overpowers their own efforts to protect the
earth. |
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Environmentalists
Are Doing Impressive Fracking PR Work in New York -
Politics - The Atlantic Wire theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/… |
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So, what is the
"good reason" for our using all our expert systems to make live
better by a means that seems to destroy the earth? |
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So unexpected is
world resource demand exceed world supply, now we don't see it at it's happening. A defining moment:synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves… |
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Every time I point
out the little gaps, someone thinks I'm just showing them the myths need
patching, and promptly cover it up! ;-) |
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Trying to be a
member in good standing, of a culture blind to its own circumstance, makes
not seeing it a price of "good standing" |
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Our world doesn't
sit still, but is in turbulent motion, as we heat it up without knowing how. |
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Isn't the problem...
that belief is culturally affirming, and observation not, but questioning?
Then our cultures go blind and disconnect. |
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If population &
productivity growth raise demand and nature and conservation both are
decreasing supply, what relieves the growing conflict? |
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Moving to higher
ground to avoid being swept away by a flood is "socially
unacceptable" to people why don't want to get wet. |
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Foo Camp 6/10-12 in Sebastopol lanyrd.com/2011/foocamp/ via @lanyrd - Alex Jakulin
presenting my work - Anarchetype study for natural
systems |
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@Revkin @guardian Setting tougher targets for climate change won't reduce a bit the CO2
stimulus of economic growth still in them. |
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@Revkin Tempting, but denying the physical nature of nature won't make it a
malleable concept to change as we like. Reality has no escape. |
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@SustainOurEarth @addthis Speth's micro-managing of
the world ecology as a governmental service, won't
erase the limits of money, nope!! |
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@Revkin @USGS "Peak Planet" isn't a list of resources limits and workouts,
but a systemic collision between nature and man leaving no choice |
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@Revkin But Andy... Smil's "sustained push to
boost innovation" is the old core problem, as ever bigger risks with
nature, used for growth. |
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People's #productivity,
stiffening resolve & natural limits of supply, driving food and fuel
through the roof! synapse9.com/phpub.htm#113 |
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@STWR_ food prices double by 2030? Critical to see it's the drive for productivity
doing it - www.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInvestMoment-PH.pdf |
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The telling mental
gap that “Gapminder.org” graphically displayshttp://synapse9.com/signals/2011/05/30/the-telling-mental-gap-at-gapminderorg |
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The answer is in!
The #limit of #growth is much too
expensive!#Resource #markets switch from inviting
new users to defending their turf! |
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When's it more
profitable to invest in making your environment work than in inflating your
own wealth? In finance, simply never! :-/ |
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When is the point in #growth when it becomes more
profitable to invest in protecting and nurturing your environment than
expanding yourself? |
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@edyong209 @ken_homer - definitely, most
radical change we see coming we can keep denying till the day it arrives,
this just overwhelms |
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#Food crisis, WorldWatch links to fuel demand, making fertilizer from
natural gas too expensive..
synapse9.com/issues/PlanteChange11_03.pdf |
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Was it when our
guides chose to impress on us that nature's voice spoke in their words, not
in how to listen to her's, so very long ago?? |
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When the earth as a
whole calls out our name so clearly, and just as clearly unheard, I wonder when
it was we became so deaf to her song? |
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@Revkin Well, realistically, to have helped him you'd have had to stop and
give him a lift. It wasn't something 911 could really respond to. |
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@GreatConvergnce Duh... syNapse9?? It's about how nature connects things using narrow gaps to have
openings where the wilderness can enter. |
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@GreatConvergnce @dotearth But Gell-Mann trusts the theories of "whole system modelers"
but not the insights of whole system observers. Why? |
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All the signs from
our environment are "sharp turn ahead" but our culture says
"race ahead ever faster"... is THAT all in our heads too?? |
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The PROBLEM, is we just have not tried enough wild schemes to
get unsustainable growth to continue! That's all it is! |
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I liked a YouTube
video -- Ra Ra Riot - Can You Tell (A Cappella)http://youtu.be/lH91YsaBkVI?a |
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nice art, both kinds! ;-) (YouTube http://youtu.be/lH91YsaBkVI?a) |
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@TEEB4ME But... "invest 2% GDP" still also
multiplies the main problem, ever increasing addiction to depleting resources
of all kinds! |
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If nature isn't
responding to us, and both government and business misunderstand, do
"the people" need to tell her what to do instead? |
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Do "facts that
don't fit" have their own drawer in your mind? Or does it only prevent
clutter to quickly erase them? |
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The debate over who
should take charge over nature, the "government" or
"business", seems to be wasting our time.. |
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Where "the
facts are easy but the memes are hard" is *exactly* where to look for
the new questions and new paths we need to understand. |
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why we don't accept that efficiency always multiplied consumption? ...
the facts are easy and the memes are hard |
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Was it
constitutional for an abdicating president of Egypt to dismiss the
constitution, and give the country to the military?? Sounds odd. |
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Well, if #Egypt was worried about it's tourist business..., They
have no worries now! What a great place to visit it's now become. |
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#Egypt, "putting something on
paper" need not be much, just a wonderfully clear statement of the path
and goal and commitment |
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#Egypt needs to put
something on paper!! Just love and solidarity in the streets... is nothing to
build on, and not sustainable. |
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More delay in Egypt
getting back to life as usual... You'd think the business community would
explain.. free markets need
free people. |
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#Grist - who's keeping
their heads??http://www.grist.org/article/2011-02-09-smackdown-climate-science-vs-climate-economics#c745923 |
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Egypt |
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Why does the
"roadmap" for Egypt have no destination but silencing the
protest...? |
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Egypt is planning on
killing its people to save it's dictator's honor... Grand purpose... bu will it work? No, of course not. |
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I liked a YouTube
video -- The Life and Times of Louis I. Kahn 2007http://youtu.be/SHB0SSj-1k4?a |
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what most people seem to learn from thinking is that observation is
unimportant... |
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"A New Year’s
wish, the true celebration" - last 7 tweets fromhttp://synapse9.com/signals/2010/12/30/a-new-years-wish-the-true-celebration/ |
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It's asking too
much, to expect what you can ask the world to do for you to multiply without
end, denying your connection to life. |
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It's real simple,
nature's energy budget just doesn't allow for one system to take for itself
ever more of the energy needed by others. |
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Cultural reasoning
is not like science, picking the answers it likes, ignoring the rest, rather
than looking for questions with answers. |
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the IPCC then pointed out we won't even have an planet we'd recognize as
earth to return to, if we don't respond, ignored all but entirely. |
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Keynes pointed out
that when natural limits come money has to stop multiplying too, Meadows to
how it's happening and very dangerous |
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Malthus pointed out
that with unlimited demand the food runs out, and Jevons that being efficient
makes that happen sooner. |
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Seeing the worth of
money as tokens, denies how it connects you to life, each as one equal share
of all you can ask the world to do for you. |
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ain't it the shits... to live up to someone
else's ideals and find out they didn't give a shit?? |
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I liked a YouTube
video -- White Noise http://youtu.be/8hI5Rs-VXQE?a |
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What #wandering #minds need to know... (we're ALL kind of "out of the loop")
www.synapse9.com/issues/WanderingMinds.htm |
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could the internet be destroying #knowledge... not converging toward anything
but becoming turbulence to destroy every direction? |
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The #GHG #trend... improving efficiency *HAS NO
EFFECT* on reducing share of fossil fuel use www.synapse9.com/signals/2010/12/04/dollarshadow/ |
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The most accurate
available measure of anything's #global #impacts is its share of #GDP as a share of the
world's total, #dollarshadow.htm |
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#CharlieRangle I don't think it reflects on you Charlie, but panicky people grasping
for straws. Don't be bitter, they need your help! |
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@Revkin Why have plans to stop #climate change paid for by
continually growing energy use, with growing impacts to be all #unsustainable? |
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100% #renewable?http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/renewable-energy-baseload-power-David-Mills-solar-wind |
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For Thanksgiving, a
little tale of surprising bounty that changes meaning every yearhttp://www.synapse9.com/issues/PeakZucchini.pdf :-) |
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@revkin Who "owns" the resulting CO2 is THE PURCHASER of the service
it provided... That's the physics, the economics
might as well follow. |
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But why???... are we
still nearly all reducing only the rate of accelerating increases in our
impacts, and just calling it #"efficient"?? |
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The Capital Institute, seems significantly different, clear as the
greens but going further on the risk of not preserving natural capital. |
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what they once
called the "widow's cruse" turns out instead to be a a "youthful world's #challenge", not at ALL the end |
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If you owe someone #money, then they owe it to you to put it back
into the world you got if from, a delightful real
law of balance! |
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Isn't it #rude, when so many trusted voices of the
past decide to become just voices of the past, and you have to move on? |
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Sounds good Leland,
good to talk. (YouTubehttp://youtu.be/L1bWNgJnjuQ?a) |
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People are getting
it! search [site:synapse9.com] my great old writings are coming up |
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"Models
Learning Change" now in Cosmos & History - Natural science for
adaptive modeling, for #growth & #changehttp://synapse9.com/signals/ |
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@sky_pointer @Revkin It's to preserve positive net earnings that investors would spend
them, to not drive net earnings toward zero, as now. |
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What if I were in
power, what would I change?http://synapse9.com/signals/2010/11/12/what-if-i-were-in-power-what-would-i-change/ |
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But how do we reduce
our economic footprint?http://synapse9.com/signals/2010/11/12/but-how-do-we-reduce-our-economic-footprint/ |
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The Story of
"Missing Stuff"http://synapse9.com/signals/2010/11/12/the-story-of-the-missing-stuff/ |
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So... why in the
WORLD do world thinkers fail to menTion the small discrepan... (YouTube http://youtu.be/Zam9DZ43Cl0?a) |
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You can't just tape
up the holes to keep the #bubble's from #bursting(it's
essential to turn down the pumps working to #inflate them too). |
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#Formulas tell of pushes and
pulls on fixed #connections, but #nature the stories of
fitting opposite shapes and chances of new connection. |
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I joined FOUR YEARS.
GO. #4YG. I will pay close attention to how my
money keeps churning my whole world. http://...http://rpx.me/wLU |
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Directions of
progress, without a real objective, are plans to push the limits and be
stopped by only failing to respond to things ignored. |
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Or..What
say we... learn to control ever more #complicatedsystems and then give them ever less thoughtful people???
<:-o <:-o |
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What say we... learn
to control ever more #complicated systems and then
give them ever less thought? <:-o |
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Talk of achieving
"Singularity" begs one ask Which one? ..reducing
thought to singularities or our control of nature, or is that the same? |
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You can't keep a #growth system that doesn't
work as a whole, so even if enticing, #money that promises to
ever multiply won't be kept. |
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To #economists, resource
substitution is defined as free, as if hunter-gatherers still using cut &
run as our theory of #nature! |
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@drgrist #"kicking ass" gets harder if the real fault is with our
love of productivity, having ever greater impacts with ever less effort. |
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We know the appeal
of how machine-like nature is, but we seem caught quite off guard not having taken
interest in how very lively too. |
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I guess if we're
running out of cheap stuff, we'll need to get our stuff elsewhere, if there
still is some place "elsewhere" |
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Maximum growth &
profit go to those who skim and run, so IBG-YBG has been our world economic policy
forever. Hunter-gatherers started it! |
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#CO2 allowance = ~5
years. Cheap #oil supply = ~ 5 to 10
years. Plan to #grow as fast as possible
to keep economy stable forever. What????? |
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Our natural (mental) #limits destabilized our economy,
letting us choose faster resource depletion to stabilize #growth, in the 1950's. |
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I makes us seem like
blind #slaves to ideology to not
question "be fruitful and multiply" even when it's clearly no
longer #fruitful. |
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Obama asks why BP
didn't think through the #consequences of feeding an #economy that must always multiply
it's consumption to remain stable! |
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Everyone knows
physical systems all have breaking points, right? (and
theories often don't)... but if #theory is our reality, what
then? |
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@drgrist "Interesting Obama never mentioned...climate" or that growth
requires ever more use of cheapest energy, oil till it runs out too! |
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BEST invention ever,
my solar powered bank account recharger, just put it on your window sill and
watch your money multiply, *guaranteed*! |
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what makes things "blow up" seems, to
often be the wall you erect to "keep things from blowing up", that
would otherwise "blow over". |
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Given the growing
conflicts, business can't make a profit without taking short cuts, so the
have to ever more to just stay in business. |
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@STWR_ spending a trillion, seeming to be mostly for retribution, really shows
just how cheap we really are! |
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Does it escape our
attention?... that solutions making things more #complex, makes them easier to misunderstand
and harder to change? |
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What about the
spectrum of growing #risks of #growth that are completely natural, and NOT caused by human error?? |
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The #obligation to help people, who make such a big show of being #helpless, stops where it does more harm, or
just isn't fun. |
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Solutions that
multiply, and hide ever more unrecognized risks, ..are,
well "perfect", giving you nothing at all to worry about. |
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BP #unprepared? Simple #economics limits preparation for ever wider harm of ever bigger things going
wrong, a natural limit of #growth. |
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What you say makes
sense to you but none to me... so we both mush be! |
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What's #real or #imagined isn't possible to
tell, except from the gaps in what you think that keep sending you back to
the source. |
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Pink Floyd walks
into a bar saying "I don't need no thought control", the bartender
says "I'll buy that!", so now they're both fat cats! |
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Why can't nature
just leave our perfect theories alone!! ... always
mucking things up by changing the world around them! |
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is there ANYTHING different between alternating and escalating effects
other than the good intentions that may or not be behind them?? |
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Sustainability is
generally measured as if the head on a beer, the less head the less beer...
right? See it clear from a distance, no prob! |
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long vigorous and resilient, reached an unprecedented peak and then
literally collapsed... |
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we regulate economies like a #casino, for players guaranteed to win their
bets and encouraged to pile their winnings on their bets... Smart! |
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Can't change the
past?? Isn't the future just one revisionist history after another,
constantly changing the meaning of the past? #change |
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So, how did we get
here, unable to tell if there are any independent realities, or just
culturally preferred ones? What's that for? |
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Risk of a further
physical system collapse. #growth #criseswww.synapse9.com/signals |
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Is DNA a cell's
molecular "software" or is it the "memory"?? Isn't the #LIFE of the cell what
reads DNA as what worked before, and adapts? |
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@Revkin 'Strong reason to believe' terrorists plotting U.S. strike?? ..Or is
it that from our #growth being a growing
attack on nature? |
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I think Venter's
"big discovery" is risky, but not so. Evolution works ONLY by addition,
and so would not have a logic for us to screw up. |
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In a time of change,
to find the smell of what will work next, smell the new roses too. |
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If the earth were a
social system then nature would listen to government policy too! #growth |
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If the earth were a social
system cheer leading for sustainability helps, and stimulating growth to call
it constraint positive too. #growth |
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Complexity - What is
it? It's what nature does so very simply we can't fathom it, usually lots of
disconnected parts acting as a whole. |
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Evidently streamlining growth to work better, accelerates both its resource uses and impacts, and is what technology always did.#growth |
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You know there's a physical
world, 'cause any time you like you can step right on it! |
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Yep, "smart", but
just not paying attention. @ninacaplan That's the Malthusian
argument, isn't it... |
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@shoudaknown |
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If you increase your steps
by ever bigger steps, you get to ... overstepping! Wow, who'd a thunk it? |
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growth = steadily larger
problems ending in ever fewer resources to solve them with. |
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maturation = steadily
smaller problems and steady resources for solving them. |
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In the age of free
information, good information get *just* affordable! |
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the part we connect, the
part we have to wait for that relies on our environment's response. |
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intimately knowing your
limits, seems to greatly expand them... |
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No matter what language you
write it in, people invariably read it in their own |
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The real energy problem is
our society’s model of ever increasing overhead costs. |
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setting up twitter, points
of elasticity, wondering how to stretch |
jlh Synapse9.com