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1535	There's "NO STATUS QUO" for SD efforts to match, if endless economic expansion moves the goal posts ever faster too. #UN #HLP	13-Jun 2013	12:41 PM
1534	It only takes curiosity, to ask what really drives our cultures to ALL bet the bank on taking over the world??	12-Jun 2013	10:50 PM
1533	Life'd be less frustrating if our cultures didn't ALL base their prosperity on taking over ever more of the world. http://t.co/61js2oqN7z	12-Jun 2013	9:31 PM
1532	Still, human arrogance and ignorance of life pervades, reading our images as realities rather than precious hints.  http://t.co/LB9mW3sQ9c	12-Jun 2013	12:07 PM
1531
1530	To #decouple #growth, could the value we add double 5 times a century (x32), when till now it was 2 times a century (x4)?? http://t.co/WBBK5aTtri	10-Jun 2013	6:26 PM
1529	If our ever #growing #solutions keep making things ever more unmanageable, it all gets more and more frustrating. http://t.co/iBxBwdcLZc	10-Jun 2013	6:14 PM
1528	People overlook great #INEQUITY comes from using power to take power, and will ONLY change by changing that game, with ONLY one fair way.	10-Jun 2013	11:10 AM
1527	Everyting horrid, as well as beautiful, needs a burst of energy and self-organization to get started!  ... beautiful.  :-)	10-Jun 2013	10:59 AM
1526	@Revkin @CarlPope If trees should make autocrats quiver, why do human minds seem to make nature quiver, our theories twisting her in knots.	8-Jun 2013	1:03 PM
1525	great vision - Silke Helfrich: "Economics and the Commons?! Towards a Commons Creating ...http://t.co/HURia7IY4r via @youtube	1-Jun 2013	3:24 PM
1524	Silke has a wonderful grasp of the whole diversity of ways people are exploring the commons. (@YouTube http://t.co/f8HpqLhl7S )	1-Jun 2013	3:24 PM
1523	I liked a @YouTube video http://t.co/f8HpqLhl7S Silke Helfrich: "Economics and the Commons?! Towards a Commons Creating Peer	1-Jun 2013	3:17 PM
1522	@2015on #Post2015HLP - STILL... the deep flaw is talking about where to go without thinking how to get there, 'how' ALWAYS changes the goal.	31-May 2013	4:00 PM
1521	@2015on #Post2015HLP "having the money" ISN'T THE KEY but what you take it from.. as MORE MONEY is more spending and unsustainable impacts.	31-May 2013	3:56 PM
1520	@2015on #Post2015HLP High praises were given to engagement with Civil Society, but the discussion quite left out how to proceed.	31-May 2013	3:52 PM
1519	@2015on #Post2015HLP The report curiously omits the VAST cultural changes for "slow" adapting communities to compete with "fast" ones.	31-May 2013	3:50 PM
1518	@2015on #Post2015HLP "Building lasting prosperity" is a self-contradiction, if "prosperity" means growth of money and consumption.	31-May 2013	3:45 PM
1517	@2015on #Post2015HLP - If others used your money to consume other people's resources ever more, when would it cause trouble?https://t.co/QbCkhuAOvq	31-May 2013	3:38 PM
1516	@2015on #Post2015HLP - Where it breaks down is in "agreeing on how where to end..." having no idea how to get there. http://t.co/GmW9IwBesr	31-May 2013	3:32 PM
1515	@2015on #Post2015HLP - the real answer to MONEY.. at the limits the use of profit is owed to caring for the earth, not inflating power.	31-May 2013	3:28 PM
1514	@2015on #Post2015HLP Sadly, the report is still "Old Economics", a vision of how cooperation will erase the limits of the earth...	31-May 2013	2:51 PM
1513	@2015on #Post2015HLP An "agenda that is truly transformational" can't skip the steering problem of money, which has no "agenda" but MORE.	31-May 2013	2:44 PM
1512	@2015on #Post2015HLP Wonderful to feel "everybody in the same boat", but leaving out how our money can respond to sharing the earth.	31-May 2013	2:41 PM
1511	#2015on #post2015HLP  - We're ignoring the link between  money and natural limits.  If what people spend on has natural limits, then so does money!!	31-May 2013	2:34 PM
1510	@2015on  - If people agree, but misunderstand how growth results in more conflict at limits to the earth, our cooperating is a failure.	31-May 2013	2:27 PM
1509	#post2015HLP - If people agree, but misunderstand how growth results in more conflict at limits to the earth, our cooperating is a failure.	31-May 2013	2:24 PM
1508	Outreach Event on Post 2015 Development Agenda... http://t.co/di3zZMJzEb  - How do we know what organization is profitable in the long run??	31-May 2013	2:12 PM
1507
1506	I liked a @YouTube video from @shoudaknown http://t.co/4iMog5kZPf Caregiving Purposes - a short scientific message for the UN on	22-May 2013	7:34 PM
1505	The science of observing how systems behave on their own, can be eye opening http://t.co/4iMog5kZPf	22-May 2013	7:34 PM
1504
1503	I wonder, is "realization" a substitute for nature any time we like, or only when our minds are playing catch-up with nature??	19-May 2013	11:52 AM
1502	Oh "solar shmolar"... you really can't use a new source of supply to resolve a problem of ever growing demand, you know.	15-May 2013	11:25 AM
1501	The internet is FREE!! [.. & devil's bargain] They just GIVE it all away [.. & steal you blind behind your back]. I LOOVE "free", too much.	9-May 2013	1:03 PM
1500	Who else saw "sustainable development" is a contradiction, and earth in the balance, asked really why we equate them? http://t.co/vmSxJnPFV7	7-May 2013	1:40 PM
1499	Looking for what "Big Data" tells us?? Find where the flows begin, how NATURE integrates her 4D world without us.  http://t.co/LV19ippbXc	7-May 2013	12:08 PM
1498	I like being in an empty church to feel its witness of our troubled lives.  It's being with people there sending troubled messages that bother me.	26-Apr 2013	8:40 PM
1497	#innovateyourfuture What if deep poverty is caused by interruption of estab. cultures by incompatible innovation in & around them?	24-Apr 2013	2:57 PM
1496	@BrianLehrer #morningmediadiet (..ing) I sharply cut back on media trying to use media swarming for $, like WNYC's repeated efforts to do so	23-Apr 2013	3:22 PM
1495	@WorldwatchInst  always combines the best sensible science and social thinking State of the World webcast Tuesday, http://t.co/bD7ImOBAlO	15-Apr 2013	11:40 AM
1494	So... we seem not to notice we design every business plan as a bomb going off, of exploding wealth..., and duhhh... bombs aren't stable!	4-Apr 2013	5:23 PM
1493	Is it profitable for investors.. to play on the ignorance of each other, the public and government, on what's profitable for the earth???	3-Apr 2013	3:25 PM
1492	Hey, nothing wrong with our ever growing demands for services from the earth... well, except our parallel growing ignorance of making them.	28-Mar 2013	10:26 PM
1491	#Post2015 Decoupling - That's like being so efficient taking resources out of the ground the actual effect is to put them back in!	27-Mar 2013	1:45 PM
1490	#post2015 Decoupling?  Just like taking the pipe out of the oil well and it keeps producing oil.. and burning it for energy and it makes no CO2!	27-Mar 2013	12:43 PM
1489	Difficulty counting? If a person looking at their hand counts their fingers, and says "one", you REALLY have to wonder how they did that!	22-Mar 2013	2:16 AM
1488	The UN wants to hear from YOU! on priorities for creating a better world. http://t.co/JiUjcLmkKt  via @MyWorld2015	18-Mar 2013	8:03 PM
1487	#Entrepreneurs need to know how the leading edges of change lurch forward. Still fresh, natural systems physics http://t.co/iR7y8KV6Xr	12-Mar 2013	12:21 PM
1486	@cjoh Or worse than polishing their slides, spending all their time making sure what their selling would work!!  That's marketing poison!	11-Mar 2013	4:23 PM
1485	But WHY would you also be concerned if a strategy would work, done we just need it to sell??	11-Mar 2013	4:21 PM
1484	"HEY! ...We're headed right for a tree!"	11-Mar 2013	4:17 PM
1483	Reply: Oh yes I do see.  That's fascinating, but how can we keep speeding up??	11-Mar 2013	4:17 PM
1482	"Well regulated militia" seems... in common language to equal "National guard", as discussions starting in 1810,  http://t.co/cLoF0C0Suu	11-Mar 2013	12:41 PM
1481	The whole *NEVER* does what its average parts do, like puree, but what ALL the parts add up to, in which small differences are critical!	6-Mar 2013	12:46 PM
1480	Bad policy comes from social 'values', like "sustainability" used *SO SELECTIVELY* the effect is opposite of what our values would require.	27-Feb 2013	1:51 PM
1479	It's *emerging organization* in nature that causes shifts in "pressures and flows", for **indicators** of system change, *NOT* the reverse.	26-Feb 2013	3:06 PM
1478	A weird reality of SD is... we mostly don't count the impacts caused by paying others to do impacts for us! http://t.co/bfTCUMhpOa	23-Feb 2013	2:52 PM
1477	Our ever growing competition over shrinking resources is no plan for the future. One destroys us internally and the other externally!!	23-Feb 2013	1:58 PM
1476	It doesn't help to dream of our "getting back to normal" when "normal" is exactly what got us in all our trouble. http://t.co/2nUIOnvvTa	20-Feb 2013	11:56 PM
1475	RT @AmanSinghCSR: "90% of investors,whether theyre #ESG or #SRI are in the speculation game, not the #investment game" - John Fullerton, ...	19-Feb 2013	11:47 PM
1474	@SustainBrands @CSR_Leaders http://t.co/7XDgu9Nz  Displays the WORST of partial reporting [of 10% that shows, ignoring 90% easy to hide]!	18-Feb 2013	1:34 PM
1473	@SustainBrands It's unfortunate but this kind of partial reporting is hopelessly deceptive, see comment: http://t.co/7XDgu9Nz	18-Feb 2013	12:30 PM
1472	To avoid becoming jaded, as life get's boring or a trap, you just need to realize there's always another side, and go find it.	17-Feb 2013	1:56 PM
1471	Thinking of the world in theory takes trying to define or control what can't be explained that way, everything self defined and controlled.	17-Feb 2013	1:52 PM
1470	#StateOfUnion Too bad Barack is so uninformed on how growth works, burning up the earth ever faster to earn and pay on ever growing debts.	10-Feb 2013	2:12 PM
1469	One interesting thing I found is that 'growth', as a natural process, ALWAYS violates its own purposes.  ...but people don't notice it matters!	2-Feb 2013	12:04 PM
1468	Most people look for a world that doesn't violate their purposes. I was looking for how to live and not become jaded. http://t.co/J0MaWia1	2-Feb 2013	12:03 PM
1467	So.. if we knew our energy use we can see is 1/10th of what we buy but don't see, would anyone start counting them??  http://t.co/lTXJMATn	30-Jan 2013	8:27 PM
1466	Can #capitalism avoid its ever growing crises by getting people drunk on their illusions again?  It's often done so, to the end, it seems.	26-Jan 2013	3:15 PM
1465	Civilizations die when people keep following obviously wrong plans, persistently, decade after decade, as if reality was in their heads.	21-Jan 2013	7:41 PM
1464	@BarackObama Need big change in #violent #gun #culture? Study how violent gun cultures dramatically changed before. http://t.co/TOwijun0	20-Jan 2013	12:28 PM
1463	Need dramatic change in #violent #gun #culture?  Study dramatic cultural changes that occurred before. http://t.co/TOwijun0	20-Jan 2013	12:05 PM
1462	"There's a much better way to understand "food addictions", and business use of unhealthy ingredients”¦" “”  http://t.co/0plQGyjd	17-Jan 2013	12:37 PM
1461
1460	A free market alternate to "capitalism", not for piling up money but for using it well, "collaboration" (co-labor-ation) http://t.co/j37cASSG	14-Jan 2013	12:07 PM
1459	Steadily improving human welfare on earth is a fact, dependent on ever faster depletion of our resources too.   Hmmm... what next?	14-Jan 2013	12:03 PM
1458	What doesn't get heard, is how our business model needs ever more of everyone else's resources to work. http://t.co/MJW7AUaE	13-Jan 2013	12:18 PM
1457	Democracy was not created for a world where everyone chooses their own reality.  That seems to turn it into Obsenity.	3-Jan 2013	8:25 PM
1456	@Revkin @CJR - Is it really the JOB of journalists to select what reality to present to attract their audience, or is that just natural??	3-Jan 2013	7:40 PM
1455	@Revkin @CJR ... followed by... how ALL media ignore the pitfalls of selective science, airing only stories affirming their audience!	3-Jan 2013	7:37 PM
1454	@yvesbehar @Bill_Gross @darrenrovell @twitPic - OK, but peace comes from learning to sense and dance with the unfamiliar, not wishing	1-Jan 2013	7:18 PM
1453	So, why DO people treat "reality" as a social agreement??  Is it because people have found little else to go by?	1-Jan 2013	7:12 PM
1452	@Futura - What's so troubling about the hidden scale of outsourced energy use is it makes sustainability unsustainable. http://t.co/lTXJMATn	31-Dec 2012	11:11 PM
1451	@futerra Nice to think of as a party. It'll be a slow starter as reluctant as people are to facing troubling facts... http://t.co/lTXJMATn	31-Dec 2012	11:07 PM
1450	Democracy really works!  It let the world agree on a smooth running economic system, for consuming the earth ever faster!  Amazing success!!	28-Dec 2012	12:25 PM
1449	#Russia, Isn't banning the adoption of orphans a human rights offense?  If Putin adopted it he'd lose his private US visa right then, no?	28-Dec 2012	12:52 AM
1448	Democratic decisions tend to fail whenever people have SHALLOW AWARENESS, acting as if the world was the picture and theory in their heads.	27-Dec 2012	2:48 PM
1447	Ecologies develop collaborative design if their parts steer clear of remote threats, and experiment with what's profitable, DEEP AWARENESS.	27-Dec 2012	2:45 PM
1446	Our "leadership of the free world" is sadly based on our success in being unaware of raping the earth for quick profits!  Where to now boss?	27-Dec 2012	2:40 PM
1445	"If we want to stem violence, we need to begin stemming despair" Anatomy of a Murder-Suicide http://t.co/M3arwLMa  - Be the one who listens!	24-Dec 2012	12:12 PM
1444	Lethal weapons are no game.  Take life seriously.	24-Dec 2012	3:37 AM
1443	Pipeline censors unable to detect leaks...! NY Times http://t.co/j9Bd75b1	23-Dec 2012	12:39 PM
1442	#Guns are NEVER EVER FOR PLAY.	23-Dec 2012	12:28 PM
1441	#Guns are NEVER EVER FOR PLAY.  Ban the ownership of working guns for anyone owning them just for play, as a #DSM-V Sociopathic Disorder.	23-Dec 2012	12:26 PM
1440	@WNYC I don't know what else you call it but a rampant societal obsession with murder weapons.  What't that really for???	22-Dec 2012	1:07 AM
1439	@WNYC Are gun restrictions enough?   Or do we need a less violence prone society? http://t.co/JxFxypEP	20-Dec 2012	12:27 AM
1438	The #NRA has many idealists as well as ideologues, but seems energized by a gun culture, for immature men with penis problems...!	19-Dec 2012	2:16 PM
1437	Our celebration of wild gun-fighting mayhem for fun, turns it into normal public speech.  Then the wrong people see it as their way to talk.	18-Dec 2012	1:54 AM
1436	It's our popular cultures that celebrate military slaughter, as entertainment, that lets unbalanced people think it's legitimate expression.	18-Dec 2012	1:24 AM
1435	Our movies, gaming and popular cultures celebrate mayhem, and we mourn those then killed when its done for real.  Too tragic to be contrived	18-Dec 2012	1:10 AM
1434	@Ethical_Corp - Funny thing with saving special places is then sacrificing all the ordinary ones, to our great tornadoes of money.	17-Dec 2012	11:16 PM
1433	Is what we're doing good enough for the earth?	17-Dec 2012	11:11 PM
1432	For ever growing risks, any one level might eventually be adapted to.  It's the continual growing risks we face that are the real threat.	17-Dec 2012	6:08 PM
1431	The deathly choices of the "invisible hand" driving our world are hardly invisible,... in the common rule of money to be ever more selfish.	17-Dec 2012	2:25 PM
1430	Growth is invariably a swelling conquest, of resources others were already using, a death tax on everything we don't know to protect.	17-Dec 2012	1:16 PM
1429	The MAIN RESOURCES of continual "economic growth" also mine the resilience of human society and our use of the earth exponentially.	17-Dec 2012	1:09 PM
1428	"We don't know what #RISKS we over-estimate or we under-estimate", EXCEPT FOR THOSE OF PUSHING THE LIMITS OF OUR OWN RESILIENCE a break.	17-Dec 2012	12:52 PM
1427	Culture is the mark of a collective human experience, that can only exist if the parts also show marked empathy for the whole, unlike us.	17-Dec 2012	12:40 PM
1426	It shows *no empathy for mankind as a whole* to keep a consensus plan as we have *to prosper forever* growing like a cancer on the earth, .	17-Dec 2012	12:28 PM
1425	The one thing humans lack, keeping us from being honest about the morality of our lives, is empathy for the whole commons we're part of.	17-Dec 2012	6:52 AM
1424	The ecological cause of both more frequent mass murders and severe weather are the same, a society pushing everything to the point it breaks	17-Dec 2012	6:50 AM
1423	@HeleneFinidori @maxlath #GrowCommons would also be cells learning to value "feeding their body", a safe harbor being the service returned.	16-Dec 2012	11:46 PM
1422	@thinkprogress https://t.co/I4Lm7pKq	16-Dec 2012	10:50 PM
1421	It''s OUR SOCIETY that pushes us to ever rising scales of achievement, forcing us to our limits, and so DENYING EVERYONE A SAFE HARBOR.	16-Dec 2012	10:49 PM
1420	It's kind of tragic that humans so often have to feel complete ignorance is certain knowledge.	9-Dec 2012	1:37 AM
1419	Using creativity to find ever growing energy supplies, can only result in a more and more  rapid natural end of supplies.	1-Dec 2012	4:53 PM
1418	Nice presentation of where energy markets are now going on energy technology, with a serious "fly in the ointment". http://t.co/yiYdP43a	1-Dec 2012	3:59 PM
1417	A cancer is a growth business that overstays its welcome, a "big success" act becoming a grand failure of purposes.	1-Dec 2012	3:16 PM
1416	We all mourn the loss of our trusted heritages, but also need to ask, Are we a worthy harvest of their seed?  What have we become??	1-Dec 2012	2:26 PM
1415	"Conservative" today became people with "outlandish complaints", replacing science and the meanings for words with political fictions.	1-Dec 2012	2:13 PM
1414	My parents and gran's were "very" conservative, hard working and respectful to all, people you could trust without question, old stock.	1-Dec 2012	2:06 PM
1413	Life is Learning... physics and economics are just dumb formulas, (&mostly wrong about life!).	24-Nov 2012	4:42 PM
1412	Now the computers make the products they can't use, and consumers borrow the money they can't repay, both programmed to maximize the profit.	23-Nov 2012	5:06 PM
1411	The thing about self-organizing systems is they develop as cells of accumulating organization: research http://t.co/DpjwBU9i  @ComplexityInst	23-Nov 2012	1:06 PM
1410	Conceptual realities are magical, as mental constructs for invented subjects, that don't use space or energy or change over time.	21-Nov 2012	9:47 PM
1409	From Rebeca's vivid "four horsemen" to the transformation we seek, my comment #63 http://t.co/xaQSEWAu	21-Nov 2012	4:02 PM
1408	Rebeca Solnit's cool viewpoint on the source of our world "plague of crises" - as if understanding the natural science! http://t.co/jLDleAOM	21-Nov 2012	3:45 PM
1407	Once you control the whole earth, there's much less profit in having a system for conquering things, than in having one for caring for them.	20-Nov 2012	4:51 AM
1406	@Koann ..then we need to check to see how much information our information is giving us, and how to cover the gaps. http://t.co/lTXJMATn	14-Nov 2012	1:11 PM
1405	#SBLondon #Livestream - current state of corporate sustainability,Nov 27th-28th - inching toward the line of insight http://t.co/fkRlLlNM	14-Nov 2012	1:08 PM
1404	Investors benefit from a growing economy with people working less, so till they spend it(!!) =>  we get endless stagnation/decline.	11-Nov 2012	11:56 AM
1403	People who repeatedly claim victory after losing elections dangerously delude themselves, no?, after failing to deceive the public?	8-Nov 2012	3:34 AM
1402	@theshiftnetwork The transformation of the whole is a turning from multiplying to integrating, to remain profitable. http://t.co/M4jN8Mdy	7-Nov 2012	9:51 PM
1401	When you're in such real trouble, why keep relying on fantasy theory??  Using ever more stuff up really doesn't create plenty.	2-Nov 2012	11:54 AM
1400	Having more "superstorms" + ocean rise + resource exhaustion, (all very predictable) = an inability to recover from normal hazards.	31-Oct 2012	10:17 AM
1399	Well, Superstorm Sandy proves one thing, we don't need political nuts running the country!	31-Oct 2012	4:32 AM
1398	If you can't deliver, promise more and more and more!   People love it!	26-Oct 2012	3:06 AM
1397	If the guy is OK with handling his strings, does it mean it OK to elect another puppet? The last one got elected and caused a disaster.	23-Oct 2012	2:52 AM
1396	For special interests it's easier to manipulate state governments, so natural for businesses to fund states' rights.	19-Oct 2012	6:21 PM
1395	Vote for their hidden agendas promises made. It's what both candidates believe is worth lying to everyone about to get elected...	18-Oct 2012	6:04 PM
1394	Honestly honey, BIG wishful thinking doesn't  do any more than LITTLE wishful thinking... so you really don't need get hoards to do it.	18-Oct 2012	6:01 PM
1393	Economic growth... is like children playing hop-scotch, and  needing ever bigger squares to land on.	18-Oct 2012	11:03 AM
1392	We'd all have guessed, but yes, even more empty and boring than the last.	17-Oct 2012	2:23 AM
1391	Oh gosh, the economy is intruding ever more rapidly on everything we care about. Quick, let's protect one or two favorite things!	14-Oct 2012	1:24 AM
1390	Entertainment is our government's most important product, and don't you forget it!   It pays for *everything*.	12-Oct 2012	2:35 AM
1389	How do environmentalists resolve the inner conflict of flying long distance? New Physics.. Sustainability: How do envi”¦ http://t.co/FHgFLt1d	10-Oct 2012	2:11 AM
1388	BURN Radio Special: The Power of One http://t.co/q4g3qzyO	8-Oct 2012	1:00 AM
1387	Is "business" ever "pro-people", or just deeply conflicted? ..owned by profiting from our addictions till the earth quits.	7-Oct 2012	11:46 AM
1386	The chill of getting the truth generation defunded came naturally,... with giving the profits to big money.	7-Oct 2012	11:39 AM
1385	RT @NatureMagazine: Really disappointed to see a quality news outlet like @TheOnion break the embargo on our forthcoming beauty study: h ...	5-Oct 2012	4:29 PM
1384	Just curious, when referring to yourself is it as your whole body and presence at the moment, or as a mind in charge of making choices?	4-Oct 2012	1:38 PM
1383	What say?  Shall we "kick the can down the road" over the cliff, profiting from depleting the earth ever faster all the way?	4-Oct 2012	1:03 AM
1382	It might mean clinging to the scars of the past only adds to your being misled, like returning to mistaken rules not learning from them.	1-Oct 2012	1:14 PM
1381	Is why so many generations of truth tellers suddenly started producing so many liars just thinking our information was reality?	1-Oct 2012	12:42 PM
1380	Policy is no quick fix, but a very slow cure.  The learning of which ones make a better world and way to live takes time.	1-Oct 2012	12:38 PM
1379	How to solve for the main problem of systems science seems to be to just say “systems in nature”� are not conceptual..."	27-Sep 2012	1:56 AM
1378	Two plainly showing "lost" truths. Our impacts on the earth always did and will grow parallel to GDP and $1 = 1 share. http://t.co/7rltOb0O	26-Sep 2012	1:28 PM
1377	Are we trusting in God to save the earth from our ignorance and greed, when evidently the test is if we will ourselves?	26-Sep 2012	1:18 PM
1376	It does matter what you use your wealth for, like for finding how stop using it for exhausting the earth, the path we're on.	22-Sep 2012	7:09 PM
1375	It's been over 50 years.. since making more money privately made more wealth for all.  The tables turn naturally as we push the limits!	22-Sep 2012	7:02 PM
1374	In an environment that is less and less responsive, as in a woman's affections, investing in the opposite is often fatal.	22-Sep 2012	4:27 PM
1373	The word of God addresses such limited subjects, no word how nature works or us in it, as of "old sciences" not the knowing maker of all.	22-Sep 2012	3:19 PM
1372	For inequity in society, you ask if those investing in our future are making a good one and what's connecting the dots. http://t.co/myQHTqNR	22-Sep 2012	2:04 PM
1371	It's data showing nature connecting the dots, letting you trace the way those connections emerged. Equations to fit are just 'statistics'.	22-Sep 2012	1:43 PM
1370	Isn't there a problem having an economic system designed to explode forever, and having to devote more and more effort trying to keep it from blowing up?	21-Sep 2012	5:15 PM
1369	If you find a really insulting video in the trash, why send it to ALL your friends??? Isn't that a bit stupid?	21-Sep 2012	12:33 PM
1368	Reason is a world of information controlling information, (nature works another way, by organization building on organization) misleading.	21-Sep 2012	10:27 AM
1367	'Having a 'Knowosphere,' won't correct the misinformation on the 'Natureosphere' -NYTimes.com  via @nytimes http://t.co/xPqYcdbi	20-Sep 2012	1:03 PM
1366	The message of our medium is we really think nature works by categories and opinions, not her self-organizing explosions of events...	19-Sep 2012	11:37 AM
1365	#Mitt's #brain - the working parts of nature seem so much like categories of accusations,... but aren't	19-Sep 2012	10:47 AM
1364	When the world has gone mad, leaders leave, on a better path to follow - The Goldruler Challenge MIX http://t.co/yDFWXrEA	17-Sep 2012	1:36 PM
1363	CULTIVATING 21st CENTURY CAPABILITIES MIX http://t.co/YGwiIhqF    w/ Jessie H on natural systems show how ours should work.	17-Sep 2012	12:57 PM
1362	PURSUING RADICAL FAIRNESS MIX http://t.co/iSuuQczH  via @sharethis  w/ Jessie H comment on critical need for new financial commons.	17-Sep 2012	12:54 PM
1361	SYNDICATING THE WORK OF LEADERSHIP MIX http://t.co/E8WPIWGu  via @sharethis   w/ Jessie H comment on need for  SEA as measurement tool.	17-Sep 2012	12:52 PM
1360	How would we end the market game of "multiplying mutual pick-pocket"?  It's not "liquidity" but "robbery", good only for the pick pockets!	16-Sep 2012	2:39 PM
1359	What to do with "sovereign" powers, that are clearly "deluded", not "superior" in authority any way but in their own claim.	16-Sep 2012	2:11 PM
1358	Trusting "the data", both economists and environmentalists have *long* been *dealing with far less than half a deck* http://t.co/gGjM7KEN	16-Sep 2012	12:35 PM
1357	In taking the spoils for men raping the earth, as a "gift", it lets both off the hook to say "thanks, but we have to do right by these.."	16-Sep 2012	12:04 PM
1356	Then there's "life", the wheels get all the credit and the axles hold everything together..	16-Sep 2012	12:00 PM
1355	What's cool about baseball, is win or lose, all the extraordinary individual performances moments of suspense.	16-Sep 2012	11:59 AM
1354	I feel like I'm completely surrounded by millions of brilliant Ptolemaic scholars, telling me ALL about their epicycles...	15-Sep 2012	11:27 PM
1353	Congressman @Ryan, you can be "right" all the time and still dead wrong about "attack dogs" ever learning how to run things.	15-Sep 2012	12:11 PM
1352	@HIPinvestor @SustainBrands another oddity for #NewMetrics, human capital sharply declining in real value since 1970..http://t.co/yjubfZNP	15-Sep 2012	11:39 AM
1351	@HIPinvestor @SustainBrands Interesting that over a day, solar PV cheaper & more efficient than solar thermal  http://t.co/0bIwJRGy	15-Sep 2012	11:33 AM
1350	@Revkin @portereduardo If no one studies how the natural systems forming around us work, they sure won't for us.  http://t.co/NexYcz4C	15-Sep 2012	11:14 AM
1349	So.. Idle money is owed ever growing returns for idle purposes... cuz??  it's a divine right of people who "play the game?" or something?	15-Sep 2012	11:07 AM

1348	News of "the commons" - getting the whole to work is emerging as a new paradigm of sustainability http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/06/07/the-news-of-the-commons/  Time to VOTE...	7Jun, m2012
1347	http://lnkd.in/33Feu9  Helene, I think how your said it is great, if you just compact it a bit, and change enables to enable "Enable...	7Jun, 2012
1346	http://lnkd.in/YJNXm7  Helene - Yes of course, What's most important would be a priority shortlist of coordinated actions. You might...	7 Jun, 2012
1345	http://lnkd.in/_J2b7F  T.A. - Yes, the co-evolution of modern culture and technology has been noticed by lots of people. Technology is...	7 Jun, 2012
1344	http://lnkd.in/hfp25d  Helene - I'm delighted you liked how I've been adding "the commons" to my way of describing how individuals...	6 Jun, 2012
1343	http://lnkd.in/Jdv2Sh  T.A. - What I think complicates the meaning we get from food chain cascades is that when Odum or Abel say "that...	6 Jun, 2012
1342	http://lnkd.in/ZNMwah  New article (on metrics) - 1st 3 pp's below...	5 Jun, 2012
1341	http://lnkd.in/T4yGbA  New article (on metrics) - 1st 3 pp's below...	5 Jun, 2012
1340	http://lnkd.in/u_ZDsE Chandrashekar - That's a generous offer. It would be wonderful to have an observer's condensation of things. I'd...	5 Jun, 2012
1339	http://lnkd.in/CT4UCF  Peter - I for one largely agree with your view of the problem, that sustainability as a word and way to sell...	5 Jun, 2012
1338	http://lnkd.in/dv9hW9  Thor -As I presented it, my idea that people will inevitably come to see the need to stop doing business with...	5 Jun, 2012
1337	http://lnkd.in/hC4g7j  Thor -As I presented it, my intent of saying people will inevitably come to see the need to stop doing business...	5 Jun, 2012
1336	We got the votes: Needed: Paradigm Shift now on he agenda...http://shar.es/qD8pl  See my comment at the bottom!	5 Jun, 2012
1335	http://lnkd.in/Wa72px  Nicolas - There's an interesting dichotomy between thinking of "the commons" as a place and as a way of working...	4 Jun, 2012
1334	http://lnkd.in/wRCZjt  David - the particular strategy of "conflict resolution" I'm pointing to with my http://RioDialogues.org proposal is...	4 Jun, 2012
1333	http://lnkd.in/WKdyJK  David - the particular strategy of "conflict resolution" I'm pointing to with my http://RioDialogues.org proposal is...	4 Jun, 2012
1332	http://lnkd.in/8rN_Mp  Bob, I guess I see a difference between engineers and scientists, that goes both ways. Scientists are mostly...	3 Jun, 2012
1331	http://lnkd.in/eZQd6b  David - Sure, ideology is a kind of "poison" for communication, as it draws a sharp line between allowed and...	3 Jun, 2012
1330	http://lnkd.in/yvDyQc  David - I think there are probably many ways to define 'the commons' as a word, and other ways to leave it...	3 Jun, 2012
1329	http://lnkd.in/Mgmziv  Helene - I think the easier way to define "the commons" is as the world we live in that people don't define, i.e....	3 Jun, 2012
1328	http://lnkd.in/qWReW3  Thorbjoern - The power issues do indeed persist, as you say "any form of self-governance (in which several parties...	3 Jun, 2012
1327	http://lnkd.in/PUXR8P  Helene - I think the easier way to define "the commons" is as the world we live in that people don't define, i.e....	2 Jun, 2012
1326	http://lnkd.in/ctArJR  Bob - Like most of the skeptics about the integrity of science you do seem to think science is like an argument,...	2 Jun, 2012
1325	#Biomimicry link & support Biomimicry for Self-regulating Economy: A new economic paradigm, finally!https://www.riodialogues.org/node/245656	2 Jun, 2012
1324	#RioDialogues: link & support A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge, Biomimicry for Self-regulating Economy:https://www.riodialogues.org/node/245656	2 Jun, 2012
1323	@HeleneFinidori ;-)) &link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3	2 Jun, 2012
1322	@EarthSummit2012 link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3	2 Jun, 2012
1321	#RioDialogues: link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3	2 Jun, 2012
1320	@dkorten link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating financial commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3	2 Jun, 2012
1319	For Rio Dialogues vote on directions for Sustainable Development, like away from competing interests to "the commons" https://www.riodialogues.org/node/240649#comment-29704	1 Jun, 2012
1318	http://lnkd.in/6HZ6KM Helene - great to see the progress and spread of interest in how to make the commons the centerpiece of...	1 Jun, 2012
1317	@Earthsummit2012 A great omission from most lists of our great omissions... is ending the use of profits for ever multiplying investment.	1 Jun, 2012
1316	http://lnkd.in/eBe96D Bob  - The numbers I've seen for the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere are on the order of 200-300 years, with...	1 Jun, 2012
1315	http://lnkd.in/g5DYjg  Lewis - Isn't redefining the terms of metaphor and expecting it to still be valid is a bit crazy? Better to start...	1 Jun, 2012
1314	http://lnkd.in/iS9rp7   Lewis, That seems accurate as an example of fluctuating weather, but changing climate is an increasing temperature...	31 May, 2012
1313	http://lnkd.in/pzWkip  Lewis - Why couldn't we easily monitor the input and output? Just simple satellite measurements seem to do it....	31 May, 2012
1312	http://lnkd.in/UhFiAK  Lewis & Bob, Maybe answering Bob's question will address both, asking me: "Does your starting point for global...	30 May, 2012
1311	http://lnkd.in/kE9 _2m Lewis - Sorry, I didn't speak that way to be socially confrontational, but intellectually. Your last sentence is...	30 May, 2012
1310	http://lnkd.in/4Pvr9n lewis, Except for your inability to separate fact from fiction I guess, you're actually quite wrong about climate...	29 May, 2012
1309	http://lnkd.in/NQzbzb Lovis - As conceptual argument your approach sounds ideal, but conceptual models are always ideal. The reality...	28 May, 2012
1308	http://lnkd.in/vcm5wf  Well, lots of people did. Even JM Keynes predicted the growth system he designed would meet this kind of failure...	28 May, 2012
1307	http://lnkd.in/jgCWZ9  There's a strange possibility that might give EU leaders the option to save the Euro now that we see it is clearly...	27 May, 2012
1306	http://lnkd.in/pNW3Jp  Mary - You're getting my general way of thinking exactly, to find a working model in nature of the systems...	25 May, 2012
1305	C-Sections May Lead to Childhood Obesity - The Takeaway:http://bit.ly/KGKHkg  - are the last days of pregnancy chemically important to life?	25 May, 2012
1304	http://lnkd.in/4qXgq8  Vladimir - You say "If you imply that it is the scientific method that you rely upon to differentiate what you call...	24 May, 2012
1303	http://lnkd.in/P2T8Tr  I'd like anyone to comment on my competition entry for how to transform the economy, or ask questions for...	24 May, 2012
1302	http://lnkd.in/3kq4bW  T.A. - You ask "So if we abandon the old ways of chasing 'more efficiency of extraction' and look for alternatives,...	24 May, 2012
1301	http://lnkd.in/6du7 As Regarding the growth crisis, my view is a bit on the line of Vladimir's suggestion: "Why defeat an evil empire -...	21 May, 2012
1300	http://lnkd.in/g5f_Fk  Vladimir - I guess my approach would be to carefully avoid reliance on deciding what reality is, as so state it as...	21 May, 2012
1299	http://lnkd.in/ctb5k3  Mathieu - We certainly need graphic images to help explain ST, from various views, as that quote from Drucker...	20 May, 2012
1298	http://lnkd.in/zqJFb5  Mary & T.A. & Ferenc - I think a lot of "mumbojumbo" is coming from the unstudied differences between the thinking...	20 May, 2012
1297	http://lnkd.in/Cxb-Mw  T.A. - You ask about my saying "Whole system study involves acknowledging that whole individual systems might...	19 May, 2012
1296	http://lnkd.in/UeScgv  David - Yes the intent behind any systematic way of thinking, and the blinders people bring to the inquiry as well,...	18 May, 2012
1295	http://lnkd.in/8Yg6Zx  David - Yes the intent behind any systematic way of thinking, and the blinders people bring to the inquiry as well,...	18 May, 2012
1294	http://lnkd.in/EraZXE  Vladimir - You say "Given that any efficiency assessment by a person hinges on the assessment of usefulness of all...	18 May, 2012
1293	http://lnkd.in/hCtr4a  It occurs to me that one of the things systems thinking may be best for is clearly defining problems that are quite...	17 May, 2012
1292	http://lnkd.in/gN8xZ4  T.A. - Yes, there is some confusion to sort out... largely caused by the way the agreements within social networks...	16 May, 2012
1291	http://lnkd.in/6xaSvR  T.A. - Yes, there is some confusion to sort out... largely caused by the way the agreements within social networks...	16 May, 2012
1290	Adopt natural system principles to keep economies profitable at their limits Management Innovation eXchange http://shar.es/2R12T	15 May, 2012
1289	@UNEP_FI You should like my proposal to transform capitalism, by investment funds becoming endowments for the earth.http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/05/10/natural-principles-to-stay-profitable-at-limits/	14 May, 2012
1288	http://lnkd.in/jA7y_3  Mary - Capra's approach aims at bringing the economy to a stable climax as my approach also does, as necessary for...	14 May, 2012
1287	http://lnkd.in/QQXSQB  David - No I'm not familiar with "ecological rationality" as a modeling concept. My usual method is to look at my...	13 May, 2012
1286	http://lnkd.in/KThUSc  Lewis - Well, if you make a static model with liquid parts, that answers how to get it to flow, but does that loose...	13 May, 2012
1285	http://lnkd.in/tSjgvY  I'm mystified why the biomimicry people seem as averse to "whole problem" kinds of systems thinking as the...	13 May, 2012
1284	http://lnkd.in/v-FAVZ  Gene - what about ST as a continual partnership with nature, though, where the observer uses their models, not...	13 May, 2012
1283	http://lnkd.in/aqM6pV  Gene - for my two cents, I'd like the general framework of discussion to include ST as including ways of getting...	13 May, 2012
1282	http://lnkd.in/aTVB7y  David - The simplest "in a nut shell" description of my proposal is : "We should manage the world economy like...	13 May, 2012
1281	http://lnkd.in/SV7YBi  William - I'm delighted you like my site! My approach is usually thought of as a little esoteric, I think. I...	13 May, 2012
1280	http://lnkd.in/KakYRx  Tim - Examples of natural systems that develop by an explosion of energy use and new organization include 1)...	13 May, 2012
1279	http://lnkd.in/5CeWkE  I honestly think the evidence is very clear that the high expectations of Rio, whether people reach an inspired...	12 May, 2012
1278	http://lnkd.in/_YP5kD  Lewis - I'm glad you liked my way of describing system boundaries as "skin", to be used as something you can feel...	12 May, 2012
1277	http://lnkd.in/vtd7fb  Lewis - You say "solving mathematical problems in physics is at the heart and history of all definitions of ST that...	12 May, 2012
1276	http://lnkd.in/2FHjkC  Lewis - I'd certainly agree that there are systems that behave according to chaotic coupling principles. I would...	12 May, 2012
1275	http://lnkd.in/REbN_q  Jack - You define a,b & c as: "Any system manifests in up to three ways. a) as concept in a human mind, also...	11 May, 2012
1274	http://lnkd.in/PvuG_z  Lewis - you say "I agree that hierarchical patterns are easier to use, and not the perfect way to go, but until we...	11 May, 2012
1273	http://lnkd.in/2jZPhv  Gene - That nice video you linked,...	11 May, 2012
1272	http://lnkd.in/JUEEUN  Barry... I think my way of solving it should work for you. Yes there is no way of determining "objective reality",...	11 May, 2012
1271	http://lnkd.in/T4V57A  Barry, Rob Couldn't we do it BOTH ways, and in discussion switch back and forth between what you call a "construct...	11 May, 2012
1270	http://lnkd.in/7GK8ZJ  Jack - You recommend OpEMCSS (CAS) software for modeling and animating context-sensitive systems....	11 May, 2012
1269	It makes sustainability unsustainable, to not see money as co-constrained by physical goods and services, much the same limits!	11 May, 2012
1268	I'm going to "Green Breakfast Club Sponsorship Levels"! Who's joining? http://www.amiando.com/vi/LOGWNJL  via @amiando	11 May, 2012
1267	"Green Breakfast Club" great resource for starting or advanced new green business ideas http://www.greenbreakfastclub.com/	11 May, 2012
1266	http://lnkd.in/2viEze  Lewis & all - I think we need a way of being clear about the difference between ST as the study of models and as...	10 May, 2012
1265	http://lnkd.in/p69Zm6  all - David's mention of his submission to the Long Term Capitalism Challenge offered by Harvard Business Review,...	10 May, 2012
1264	http://lnkd.in/XUSghn  Darius and Peter - You ask how to know what boundary identifies a system. There are different ways for doing it...	9 May, 2012
1263	http://lnkd.in/fmBVDK  Geoff - You seem to be a good person to ask given your range of studies. Have studied systems as individual units...	9 May, 2012
1262	http://lnkd.in/hbcMiZ  Lewis - Your suggestion that I imitate Mandelbrot in co-authoring papers with others more familiar with particular...	9 May, 2012
1261	http://lnkd.in/t9KgZn  You know, the thing I've always found funny about chaos theory, is the premise that a world full of changing...	9 May, 2012
1260	http://lnkd.in/C8vQz6  Jack - It's kind of curious that even the extension of Maslow is just for bringing others to work on themselves,...	7 May, 2012
1259	http://lnkd.in/3gvPkq  Barry - I hear your complaint about abstract models of systems not necessarily being useful for real problems. I...	7 May, 2012
1258	http://lnkd.in/wkwJxa  David Hawk - Where I picked up Gunnar Hedlund's thinking was by being part of a group of friends in SGSR in the mid...	7 May, 2012
1257	http://lnkd.in/Cn_eFv  Jack, I like what I see in the approaches of Schön, Novak & Wymore. Thanks. Wymore seems to be associated with...	6 May, 2012
1256	http://lnkd.in/b-q3te  David - I'd agree that having a focus on system memory in CES is an important distinction. Some of the effect of...	5 May, 2012
1255	http://lnkd.in/QkswEu  David, In relation to my "Natural Systems" view and "Total Environmental Assessment"(TEA) as a kind of action...	4 May, 2012
1254	http://lnkd.in/W95xPZ  David, In relation to my "Natural Systems" view and "Total Environmental Assessment"(TEA) as a kind of action...	4 May, 2012
1253	http://lnkd.in/98R6th  Jack, Thanks for the links. I am surprised I didn't first recognize Warfield on the list, of course, but glad to...	4 May, 2012
1252	http://lnkd.in/AY6qS9  Gene - That's a good question, to ask: "while I get the sense of a loop I wonder why they talk about it being in a...	4 May, 2012
1251	http://lnkd.in/_Y6wrR  Jack - I'd like it if there was a common syntax for ST too. I gather that is what you're saying by asking "How...	4 May, 2012
1250	http://lnkd.in/cPzF8h  One problem with "Going Solid" that really must be looked at, is a kind of pernicious environmental problem. It's...	3 May, 2012
1249	http://lnkd.in/VCHA6P  What about interpreting the difference between systems dynamics and systems thinking as, SD being the study of...	3 May, 2012
1248	http://lnkd.in/4k55cZ  Lewis - I'm backlogged, but from your latest post I think these are quoteable! "the need to think of it...	3 May, 2012
1247	http://lnkd.in/ZuK7h7  Helene - Bonnita and you both seem to speak of your own observations on naturally occurring creative processes. To...	2 May, 2012
1246	http://lnkd.in/bbn9B4  Jack - You asked: "Re:"...but also of differences between those and what *model* systems are able to faithfully...	1 May, 2012
1245	http://lnkd.in/gYVerV Ferenc - You say "we are all led in the forst with no compass at all, no sun out, no way to get out of the maze....	1 May, 2012
1244	http://lnkd.in/VE7-qZ  Helene, I did, but then realized that my view, that contrasts with the popular one, would not be possible to...	1 May, 2012
1243	http://lnkd.in/4kqtji  Gene & David, David said "that being the case and since I absolutely don't want the article to be a representative...	1 May, 2012
1242	http://lnkd.in/Na2BwY  Lewis - There's a catch I find in saying "the inherent process is quantum based". The catch I see that QM was...	1 May, 2012
1241	http://lnkd.in/JycK76  Lewis - I'd agree, that synthetic systems seem to only exist in virtual reality. What tells me that is importantly...	1 May, 2012
1240	http://lnkd.in/hJm4mg  Jessie Henshaw o Ferenc David - The examples of larger scales of systems like "a forest", that interact with other...	1 May, 2012
1239	http://lnkd.in/mk7vr5 Ferenc David - The examples of larger scales of systems like "a forest", that interact with other systems on their...	1 May, 2012
1238	http://lnkd.in/T4gGdr  Jessie Henshaw o Jack - [note edit] I think that's a very good addition to what I was saying. It's not just a...	1 May, 2012
1237	http://lnkd.in/rdwHHf Jack - I think that's a very good addition to what I was saying. It's not just a problem of differences between...	1 May, 2012
1236	http://lnkd.in/Nsih4u What about the indefinable, but often evident, difference between natural physical relationships between things and...	30 Apr, 2012
1235	http://lnkd.in/eSfj82 Gene David - [note edits] I think the confusion the public experiences with either systems dynamics or systems...	30 Apr, 2012
1234	http://lnkd.in/wryiCV George Your ask "Is systems thinking almost a massage?" I'd say a lot of massaging seems to go on in human...	30 Apr, 2012
1233	http://lnkd.in/sV5PgV Gene David - I think the confusion the public experiences with either systems dynamics or systems thinking is...	30 Apr, 2012
1232	http://lnkd.in/Rrb_Wv Gene Peter - Yes, that is a very nice way to break it down, and come to the question "AND so what's the answer?"....	30 Apr, 2012
1231	http://lnkd.in/qxiZqe Ferenc - So I would agree and simplify it a bit, saying that we have a familiar syntax for language that we learned...	30 Apr, 2012
1230	http://lnkd.in/vf2ufA Ferenc - My last post responding to David says more about "self-defining" as a property of objects of nature, as...	29 Apr, 2012
1229	http://lnkd.in/xbQJFx David - I think of "system boundaries" in two ways. One is the "physical boundary" of a system. It's...	29 Apr, 2012
1228	http://lnkd.in/sZZdHr David - I keep trying to point directly to what I see as the "failures of foresight" that justify your "sense the...	29 Apr, 2012
1227	http://lnkd.in/DgNVaE David - What I described as a systemic problem, apparent in the tragedy at the Somerset Dam, does generally fit...	28 Apr, 2012
1226	http://lnkd.in/XSn8K3 Ferenc - I think in saying "In principle all search is a waste and is needed beacseu of a total disorderly state of...	28 Apr, 2012
1225	http://lnkd.in/-hCkXk T.A. - you may be right about Aristotle advancing case based learning, which would show a more practical bent than...	28 Apr, 2012
1224	http://lnkd.in/y7g2hf David - You certainly have a point about criticizing Aristotle, as his language and issues were so different that...	28 Apr, 2012
1223	http://lnkd.in/MwsMAJ Well... there's a simply tremendous amount of knowledge represented by the gaps in one's knowledge. It takes a...	28 Apr, 2012
1222	http://lnkd.in/vM6Ytr Ferenc - Well, the most common words that connect to nature are words that are defined by the self-defining object...	28 Apr, 2012
1221	http://lnkd.in/y8rQP3 David - In looking for books on Total Systems Intervention I found Robert L. Flood's books, and that he teaches at...	28 Apr, 2012
1220	http://lnkd.in/EdCjxq Darius - I was talking about behavioral knowledge, how we use highly sophisticated primitive emotional calculus for...	27 Apr, 2012
1219	http://lnkd.in/4YFN8q There seem to be a lot of off topic posts. Should this page be used to discuss need for transforming our use of...	27 Apr, 2012
1218	http://lnkd.in/z3r6pG Ferenc - Yes, there is a "great clutter" of purported forms of knowledge "knowledge representations basically...	27 Apr, 2012
1217	http://lnkd.in/fNf3mf Darius - You say "To find the common ground we have to go back in time to pre-human times. So far there has been a...	27 Apr, 2012
1216	http://lnkd.in/2b6F7z Ferenc - You seem to think of "search" as "random". That is indeed a big waste of energy for the results you get,...	27 Apr, 2012
1215	http://lnkd.in/GYheYQ David - I haven't had a chance yet to study Burns' work, but I would quite strongly agree with the need to...	27 Apr, 2012
1214	http://lnkd.in/Vw3YDr T.A. David - It seems Aristotle's use of "Phronesis, or practical wisdom, he contrasted with episteme (conceptual...	27 Apr, 2012
1213	http://lnkd.in/KSGRgq David You say "I would argue that an ecological narrative is much better. It shows how organisms start as members...	26 Apr, 2012
1212	http://lnkd.in/aXYCDZ Kamran - You say having different schools of systems thinking, with different perspectives, could be constructive,...	26 Apr, 2012
1211	http://lnkd.in/RD7_2B Jack - You asked "pls tell me the relatonship between your right foot and the concept, system, and I may be able to...	26 Apr, 2012
1210	http://lnkd.in/Wbhg5k karthikeyan and Lewis, What about using the natural language term "invasive" for describing systems that grow at...	26 Apr, 2012
1209	http://lnkd.in/y-qb3H Ferenc - I think what Helene and I are trying to do is offer a way to talk to people who usually think of their own...	26 Apr, 2012
1208	http://lnkd.in/vyMEtu Lewis - I think you're unusual in conceptualizing science as what it should be, using models to help us discuss the...	26 Apr, 2012
1207	http://lnkd.in/pgcvxp I'm surprised the difference between models, as sets of abstract of rules for numbers, and self-organizing physical...	26 Apr, 2012
1206	http://lnkd.in/hMavhb Helene, I just noticed your comment three days ago about systems having an inside and appearing as a sphere from...	26 Apr, 2012
1205	http://lnkd.in/sVYyqX Well, if models are so capable of representing open systems in nature, how come we have a world economic system...	25 Apr, 2012
1204	http://lnkd.in/BKq3TV Jack - So, when you say "it might be useful to remember that 'natural' systems are only human models of what's...	25 Apr, 2012
1203	http://lnkd.in/f7ffr9 Gene, One big thing models seem unable to do is duplicate the flowing "everywhere at once" process of continual...	25 Apr, 2012
1202	http://lnkd.in/VwBswf David - I don't understand the methods you refer to as well as some, but have done a lot of research on how to...	25 Apr, 2012
1201	http://lnkd.in/AgXYNk Helene, The more direct reason I seem to be on a campaign against efficiency is really for another reason than it...	25 Apr, 2012
1200	http://lnkd.in/mBFTtr To have much meaning, doesn't a "systems model" need to refer to, as by exemplifying, some individual or group of...	24 Apr, 2012
1199	http://lnkd.in/Qdnqsn Joe S. - I don't think you quite get my premise. I'm not saying that there is only one correct understanding of...	24 Apr, 2012
1198	http://lnkd.in/CSwcSy Over the years I've started looking more at the common omissions of the "great" thinkers, and finding that quite...	24 Apr, 2012
1197	http://lnkd.in/ApCwwS Well, for "root causes" I first look at two things, if I can trace the issue back to some origin, and then...	24 Apr, 2012
1196	http://lnkd.in/vFCT7z Lewis, it has always seemed to me that the easiest definitive way to state the length of a piece of string is 100%.	24 Apr, 2012
1195	http://lnkd.in/c-g5pr Well... Blodget does overlook that for our present circumstance Keynes actually would have called for something...	24 Apr, 2012
1194	http://lnkd.in/GuxYJ2 Sometimes considering both the "inside view" and the "outside view" of the same thing helps expose important...	24 Apr, 2012
1193	http://lnkd.in/7PaB9t John K., I'd agree that "growth is an emotive word" in how most people use it. In particular people often don't...	23 Apr, 2012
1192	http://lnkd.in/C563a8 Ferenc - You said to Helene, "Therefore I see humanity as the disease, but as we are successulf as parasites and...	23 Apr, 2012
1191	http://lnkd.in/w-r-Pp John K. - You say to Farenc "start with better questions" . I think that also requires starting with better...	23 Apr, 2012
1190	http://lnkd.in/gVrems William - Thanks so much for the support!! Still, that there might be "fundamental differences between how models...	22 Apr, 2012
1189	http://lnkd.in/9BfV8x John K. - You ask, "what are you going to monitor them with x or gamma rays?". I gather you're referring to...	22 Apr, 2012
1188	http://lnkd.in/MnMheG Helene - Yes, I do have a particular method behind what you liked, saying: "I like your idea of closely watching...	22 Apr, 2012
1187	http://lnkd.in/pWTtvs T.A. I like your quote from Sterman but question whether he quite read it himself sometimes! I've had a few...	21 Apr, 2012
1186	http://lnkd.in/MGh-pd Lewis, From what I understand about chaos theory it's about probabilities in a conceptual phase space, rather than...	20 Apr, 2012
1185	http://lnkd.in/PCmmFV John K. - Right, some models are miraculously accurate in predicting natural phenomena, but prediction still isn't...	20 Apr, 2012
1184	Like... is thinking it's OK to do evil to others so long as we profit ourselves a mark left by our domestication as slaves in ancient past?	20 Apr, 2012
1183	America would be great, if people weren't so totally misinformed. Our culture just doesn't teach us to learn by observation, just hearsay!	20 Apr, 2012
1182	http://lnkd.in/By2YG9 John K. - Why do you think systems in nature work by models? Clearly WE generally think of systems *as our...	19 Apr, 2012
1181	http://lnkd.in/U7WY8w Peter - I wish I knew how to respond more briefly, but you pose such interesting questions! I think the problem...	19 Apr, 2012
1180	http://lnkd.in/2h98U5 John - but.. is there any evidence that nature actually works by models, or is it just specially evolved...	19 Apr, 2012
1179	http://lnkd.in/zxqKnT John & Lewis - One of the added handicaps for computation as a model of nature is the natural lack of data for...	19 Apr, 2012
1178	http://lnkd.in/-qqpGt lewis The engaging question is on this thread, is the UN call for revolutionary thinking, to find an economic...	19 Apr, 2012
1177	http://lnkd.in/e4FC-w lewis Right, one of the more easily noticed differences between equations and nature is nature shows constantly...	18 Apr, 2012
1176	http://lnkd.in/uB4AYY Thorbjoern Sorry if I mixed up your view and that of the book you were reviewing... Oops! I think the moral...	18 Apr, 2012
1175	http://lnkd.in/PPg8c9 Lewis C. If what you're saying is that one's math is only as good as the question about the real world you're...	17 Apr, 2012
1174	http://lnkd.in/wqMg49 TA - For development processes you can physically change the sign of a growth rate with little physical strain,...	17 Apr, 2012
1173	http://lnkd.in/CxrWQ8 Thorbjoern You say the study consisted of "several runs based on different constellations of policy assumptions...	17 Apr, 2012
1172	http://lnkd.in/vbP-id T.A. Balasubraminian - I do like Bardi's take on it. My report on the 40th anniversary meeting (in DC on Mar 1)...	17 Apr, 2012
1171	http://lnkd.in/g38Abu Gene B - What Kuhn actually said was that learning of new paradigms occurs by new generations replacing old, rather...	17 Apr, 2012
1170	http://lnkd.in/TqRirv Peter B - Your concluding remark helps detail my view of co-existent "ways of thinking", saying: "Each approach, or...	17 Apr, 2012
1169	http://lnkd.in/w-zAb7 Barry L - But if you look at it objectively, your statement could be a candidate for the kind of socially defined...	17 Apr, 2012
1168	http://lnkd.in/3MtuTb Lewis not sure what your reference is when saying "nothing could be further from the truth" directly following my...	16 Apr, 2012
1167	http://lnkd.in/myBpm7 Gene, I proposed a systemic perspective in my above comment, that of a changing natural world with human society...	16 Apr, 2012
1166	http://lnkd.in/P3ctSN John, But we still live on the same planet, even if we see different realities. I think you realize what I'm...	16 Apr, 2012
1165	http://lnkd.in/Erq6aB To me "transcending paradigms" means somehow finding a way to violate T.S. Kuhn's observation that scientists just...	16 Apr, 2012
1164	http://lnkd.in/zed8uK Well, I understand economics too. I'm proposing that because of how we changed the planet it would be more...	16 Apr, 2012
1163	http://lnkd.in/p3yAJ7 Perhaps the "revolutionary thinking" needed would be a finite investment plan for society, rather than an ever...	16 Apr, 2012
1162	http://lnkd.in/VFfchS So I'll suggest to Aleks to look up your concept of "original systems" in you trilogy. I work from a theorem I...	16 Apr, 2012
1161	http://lnkd.in/fEZNaW So I'll suggest to Aleks to look up your concept of "original systems" in you trilogy. I work from a theorem I...	16 Apr, 2012
1160	http://lnkd.in/F3gRss Maybe you know my Slovenian friend Aleks Jackulin, a data miner and info theorist who has worked with me....	16 Apr, 2012
1159	@adolfzizek Maybe you know my Slovenian friend Aleks Jackulin, a data miner and info theorist who has worked with me.http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~jakulin/	16 Apr, 2012
1158	http://lnkd.in/G3KsEZ Well, a model help keep you from having to start from scratch all the time, like a template of good questions to...	15 Apr, 2012
1157	http://lnkd.in/yyegtY Really great that you see that. It leaves me at the perennial impasse, though, stuck in a scientific all but...	15 Apr, 2012
1156	http://lnkd.in/F_k3Jg More accurately, I studying the kinds of important things nature's systems do physically, that models (and model...	15 Apr, 2012
1155	http://lnkd.in/tishat Thanks. That's further than the great majority of theorists will go in recognizing the natural limits of theory....	15 Apr, 2012
1154	http://lnkd.in/DYreTh I'm just asking how you connect your conceptual models of relationships to the real ones in our world. I know Bohr...	13 Apr, 2012
1153	http://lnkd.in/r6GX62 Well, yes, sure. That defines your study as being one of models, and not one of the subjects of interest in...	13 Apr, 2012
1152	http://lnkd.in/fKMmDS That is... until you try to make it a mapping between a model and some subject of interest in the natural world,...	13 Apr, 2012
1151	@giyom It's in how savings are not used unless putting money in to take more out is promised, net returns vary but that drives the whole.	10 Apr, 2012
1150	Getting bigger ever faster... still the gold standard sustainability plan for post modern business, what the public wants...!	9 Apr, 2012
1149	@Adbusters - A new model of living sure to survive & enrich more than most is being a boundary spanning link between many social networks.	9 Apr, 2012
1148	Truly smashing Ausi records. In one place, the LOW recorded on day was higher than the existing RECORD HIGH for March!http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1057&message=41007115	8 Apr, 2012
1147	What to regulate and what not... an endless question.http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558748_10150658804081275_177486166274_9728204_1140150600_n.jpg	8 Apr, 2012
1146	Trees are at least a renewable resource... Computers may not be. A dependence on ever more efficient depletion of non-renewables has an end.	1 Apr, 2012
1145	Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H6bc2a	1 Apr, 2012
1144	Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H6b030	1 Apr, 2012
1143	Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/HbHwDF	1 Apr, 2012
1142	Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H5A4Hs	1 Apr, 2012
1141	@Revkin @malekanoms - What's usually missing when people see one curve causing another is why the environment might do that now & not before	30 Mar, 2012
1140	http://lnkd.in/YidQZy There's a problem with the data collecting strategies for complex system models. None seem able to crack the...	26 Mar, 2012
1139	http://lnkd.in/Bk63qq Simple examples of self-organization like those really help. The common habit of explaining everything with...	25 Mar, 2012
1138	http://lnkd.in/kgTqxm To complement that, one should also be aware of important modeling issues not often discussed in the math texts...	23 Mar, 2012
1137	Commented on Going for Brokered? - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/xFfLWo	18 Mar, 2012
1136	Those flurries of disruptions that seem to come from nowhere? All come from needing to rely on unreliable things we never needed to before.	13 Mar, 2012
1135	Somehow people don't get it, that its the cosmos that is on fire, and humans minds just dreaming, *not the reverse*.	13 Mar, 2012
1134	"No tomorrow"... a new high standard in "peak everything" films.http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theres-no-tomorrow/	13 Mar, 2012
1133	@rupertposner ..Perhaps not including all the out sourced energy used to make renewable energy and deliver out sourced goods and services..	13 Mar, 2012
1132	@Grist ...more secrets on shale gas and escalating energy price volatility http://grist.org/natural-gas/natural-born-drillers-why-shale-gas-wont-end-our-energy-woes/	12 Mar, 2012
1131	http://lnkd.in/BahcqD There's another way that rediscovering "orphaned ideas" can be seen as critical to economic recovery. There's a...	9 Mar, 2012
1130	http://lnkd.in/tqX-_3 There's another way that rediscovering "orphaned ideas" can be seen as critical to economic recovery. There's a...	9 Mar, 2012
1129	math intuitive thinkers can feel, and imagery mathematical thinkers can reason http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/03/08/with-endless-exploding-energy/	9 Mar, 2012
1128	@growthbusters Grantham points to resource loss to trump Buffet's denial, but wrong idea of how investors guide change.http://www.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInvestMoment-PH.pdf	2 Mar, 2012
1127	http://lnkd.in/cM25BY Dave and Domenico, As a senior architect I've found the creative challenge is discovering what the particular piece...	28 Feb, 2012
1126	http://lnkd.in/am-ZNr Yes, early insights are often lost. But moral logic aside, does any amount of "sympathy" or "empathy" remove the...	28 Feb, 2012
1125	Ethical Analysis of Disinformation Tactics: Reckless Disregard, Focus On Unknowns, Specious Claims, Front Groups. http://j.mp/ysuXtB	27 Feb, 2012
1124	Ethical Analysis of the Climate Change Disinformation Campaign: Introduction to A Series. http://j.mp/zZXagm	27 Feb, 2012
1123	http://lnkd.in/d4BEjB Well, the biggest hazard is making blind choices based on your theory, whatever it is, rather than choosing to be...	27 Feb, 2012
1122	http://lnkd.in/XHGNXm One of the troubles with innovation for finding new solutions for ones that have stopped working is how that...	26 Feb, 2012
1121	http://lnkd.in/D8dqdW Why people see growth as a magical process, as if only depending on blessings of some god or a sacred manifest or...	22 Feb, 2012

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1210	and... so, I think *that seems to solve everything*!	21 Feb 2012
1209	@Ethical_Corp @CapInstitute @postgrowth @shareabledesign The message is.. unethical profits multiply unethical influence, and we're silent.	21 Feb 2012
1208	We"aid" the banks, no message attached, who just use it to take ever more, multiplying our risks and their influence again. The message is?	21 Feb 2012
1207	@postgrowth @shareabledesign Ever wonder why profitable unethical behavior gains ever growing influence, and that of self-restraint doesn't?  In reply to PostGrowth Institute	21 Feb 2012
1206	@postgrowth @beyondGreenUK Some day we'll find, prospering by taking control of ever more of everything else, is what others are doing too.  In reply to PostGrowth Institute	20 Feb 2012
1205	lnkd.in/p_d9Am From reading the methodology it seems Tweets were linked by referring to links with the NY Times. That's possibly...	20 Feb 2012
1204	lnkd.in/vyTBX5 That graphic is great, and will help popularize this approach. It was originated by Barabasi, who I'm sure gets...	20 Feb 2012
1203	When investors just skim profits to multiply good bets, they're not investing in anything, but picking the pockets of a compliant world.	20 Feb 2012
1202	True investors don't take the world's profits to multiply their own, but spend their returns to support, not tax, what they care about.	20 Feb 2012
1201	It's confusing at first but then helps, how all "rules of life" and "laws of science" are made local, to the system of nature they're in.	20 Feb 2012
1200	Building things up is a solution till you get to where they fall over, when reality becomes as unstable as our information often is anyway.	20 Feb 2012
1199	@donmacca If it's not a lack of hard work, but increasing resistance from the earth, it's the greedy needing "Om" to find peace another way.  In reply to Donnie Maclurcan	20 Feb 2012
1198	It's NOT a lack of hard work, by anyone. It's *increasing resistance* from the earth. More hard work doesn't solve, just makes worse.	20 Feb 2012
1197	So, is that how this works, everyone gets to live their own fantasy life while our world dies? Society is clearly fiddling while Rome burns.	19 Feb 2012
1196	What America truly wants is "Clean horsepower, that burns up the road". Is that scale of detachment the scale of loss ahead, 80% or so??	19 Feb 2012
1195	If we don't use our creativity to reinvent the idea of profit, it's as certain as gravity that what we've been building won't survive.	19 Feb 2012
1194	What nature actually likes is not our social values, but a growing process of building things that turns to preserving what was built.	19 Feb 2012
1193	That investor choice, to preserve the whole rather than enrich themselves, actually ends up being more profitable, why nature likes it.	19 Feb 2012
1192	Where growth doesn't end in tragedy it's using profit to look for growing profit that turns to preserving the whole, an investor choice.	19 Feb 2012
1191	On any planet, for any species, searching for profit that multiplies profit brings wealth to all with a high risk of impoverishing all.	19 Feb 2012
1190	@ecomagination The best way to waste good ideas is to multiply them till your environment fails. - mankind's most ancient misconception -  In reply to ecomagination	19 Feb 2012
1189	@giyom Of course, growth to a tragic end isn't from all bets remaining positive, but people finding positive bets to multiply till all fail.  In reply to Guillaume Lebleu	19 Feb 2012
1188	Exactly how we bet on the earth being infinite is investing for ever growing profits, a formula for cancers that ends in killing their host.	18 Feb 2012
1187	@Revkin The one tsunami the #AAASmtg doesn't explore, though, is our own ever growing wave of investment in the earth being infinite.  In reply to Andy Revkin	18 Feb 2012
1186	@giyom What seems to break any trusted currency is giving people what they want, a guarantee of sure bets so their savings can multiply.  In reply to Guillaume Lebleu	18 Feb 2012
1185	@thinkprogress Yes, stimulus worked again to restore our growing depletion of the earth, a 10,000 year track record of great success!! ;-)  In reply to ThinkProgress	18 Feb 2012
1184	It's harder to find out what it is that allows our whole society to so peacefully sleep through our exhaustion of the earth.	18 Feb 2012
1183	Tragic, but it's being "innovative" that has us sustaining our increasing rate of resource depletion, thinking we're creating resources...	18 Feb 2012
1182	@nelderini @postcarbon What's new on "peak everything" is why the economy hits it as a whole, with internal conflict.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves…  In reply to Chris Nelder	18 Feb 2012
1181	The Greeks made mistakes but are being screwed, too. All lose bigger if bond holders don't spend their profits instead of taking ever more.	18 Feb 2012
1180	@thinkprogress Why investors were taxed less than labor was that multiplying investment in consuming the planet once seemed very productive.  In reply to ThinkProgress	18 Feb 2012
1179	What to do if you just don't want to support the "plant your seed to multiply seed till our host dies" lifestyle, we use for prosperity?	18 Feb 2012
1178	@thetakeaway Why is it the Catholic church saying it can impose it's religious law, as if Sharia, on its employees? Are they confused?	17 Feb 2012
1177	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute Yes, exactly. The motive for "big money" is how profit taking to take more is itself becoming unprofitable.  In reply to Helene Finidori	17 Feb 2012
1176	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute Most investors confuse it as taking profits from one thing, to then take ever more from something else...!	17 Feb 2012
1175	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute To be viable, everything needs to make a profit, but not to multiply, and so stress any environment.	17 Feb 2012
1174	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute To correct the scaling errors of capitalism, profits aren't used to grow profits, if the earth is stressed.	17 Feb 2012
1173	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute .. I think to "scale it up" as you want, you'd add to it what corrects the scaling errors of capitalism.	17 Feb 2012
1172	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute The rub is "how can this be scaled?" is what capitalism solves, with ever scaling benefits now the problem.  In reply to Helene Finidori	17 Feb 2012
1171	Isn't it odd, how "the thing in our heads" creates a whole world of its own, not seeing the inside of ANYTHING else on earth to do it? :-)	17 Feb 2012
1170	@Revkin Our thinking STILL counts "no direct evidence" as "no evidence", though clear untraced effects are ENORMOUS.synapse9.com/SEA  In reply to Andy Revkin	17 Feb 2012
1169	@InvasiveNotes ...And the "invasive species" to watch is "us". SO struck by the realities we observe, caring ONLY about our beliefs.  In reply to John Peter Thompson	17 Feb 2012
1168	Anyone can see our mental reality isn't nature's, but telling how when we act on our thinking but BUT DON'T EVEN WATCH NATURE'S, is SO hard!	17 Feb 2012
1167	We seek SUCH valid dreams with SUCH invalid methods, SEEING reality but, but then CONFUSING it with magical ideas in our heads, WHEN ACTING.	17 Feb 2012
1166	So much good to do, harm to correct, friendship and learning to enjoy, but we consume everything useful on earth ever faster, to serve it???	17 Feb 2012
1165	Isn't it strange?? China is furiously trying to "CATCH UP" by rapidly building out a whole economy of quite outmoded high energy technology!	16 Feb 2012
1164	It *seems* that natural systems created by their own growth have no internal design or behavior, but *it's only quite hidden* from our view,	16 Feb 2012
1163	A GLIMMER OF HOPE when even big scientific journals start to talk about reality; how changing the earth changes us.ourfiniteworld.com/2012/02/12/thr…	16 Feb 2012
1162	What goes wrong when growth ends before its limits ?synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…	16 Feb 2012
1161	Words let you say *such big things*, knowing nothing about them. The older and larger language of life is in "doing", 99.9% lost to words.	16 Feb 2012
1160	Gender is also one of those subjects important to an information society, about which there is still much more to "do than say" reality.	16 Feb 2012
1159	Part of how self-managing systems work inside, is to respond naturally as their plan for growth becomes unmanageable, to stop following it.	15 Feb 2012
1158	How the design we chose for our economy is like a cancer is in it's design to grow as fast as possible till it kills its host, and itself.	15 Feb 2012
1157	Having essentially no information on how the self-managing systems of nature work, we inadvertently designed our economy like a cancer.	15 Feb 2012
1156	The real error is thinking our information tells us how the world works, *entirely missing* how self-managing systems are organized inside.	15 Feb 2012
1155	My having SO much fun finding the errors letting us destroy the earth, doesn't make up for the isolation of having to watch it happen.	15 Feb 2012
1154	Could technology be an ever entertaining game of learning about the planet instead of like now, an ever entertaining game of burning it up?	15 Feb 2012
1153	@Revkin The "reality math" of #KXL CO2 reveals one of many, all showing outsourced energy impacts ~x4 what's measured.synapse9.com/SEA  In reply to Andy Revkin	14 Feb 2012
1152	lnkd.in/s6QEVF Well, it presses the credulity of intellectuals more than informal thinkers. There's a very interesting property...	14 Feb 2012
1151	@Ethical_Corp It's a BIG ethical challenge is resist addressing traceable harms and neglect growing ones that aren't.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…  In reply to Ethical Corporation	14 Feb 2012
1150	lnkd.in/EdfiBB Would you like a real discussion of how and why our economies became designed for a different kind of planet than...	14 Feb 2012
1149	@Revkin If nature listened to our values, we'd have a different world. There's no way she can speed things up for us to slow them down tho.  In reply to Andy Revkin	13 Feb 2012
1148	@Revkin Maybe my problem is most everyone speaks as if nature is a social phenomenon, as if "nature is listening" and all we need is belief.  In reply to Andy Revkin	13 Feb 2012
1147	@Revkin You don't see the "green faith" in speeding up the economy to slow its growing impacts as "lost opportunity"?synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl…  In reply to Andy Revkin	13 Feb 2012
1146	@ClimateReality Check the 4x "reality math" for facts. True CO2 footprints need all the outsourced fuel uses too.synapse9.com/signals  In reply to Climate Reality	13 Feb 2012
1145	Expecting growth in a shrinking world makes sense only to the senseless. It asks nature, "Oh could we please have ever growing conflict?"	13 Feb 2012
1144	@johnmsmart Found 2008 blog post, of letter to you with no address - Multilevel selection in evolution – Devo-evo?synapse9.com/signals/2008/1…	13 Feb 2012
1143	All it causes... is *missing so much* of what's happening, saving the earth then positively accelerates our failures.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…	13 Feb 2012
1142	"Who would care" if there was a perfectly practical way to do it, from observing natural successions, and that theory is all in our heads.	13 Feb 2012
1141	Just not studying how real processes emerge seems *so much simpler*. Our mental models are too simplistic and missing most of the data too!	13 Feb 2012
1140	"Scientists unconcerned" by real systems too hidden to record and too evolving to model "Sure we see them, but just study theory instead"	13 Feb 2012
1139	One proof is in how OUR systems work, guided by self-interest, misled into destroying the earth, believing nature follows our theories.	12 Feb 2012
1138	SO MUCH IS HIDDEN inside systems that work by themselves, it's unscientific to treat nature as working by our theories.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…	12 Feb 2012
1137	@InvasiveNotes @CBSNews Well... in that odd sense, that terrorism is really intended as "people power" and we usually don't like the people.  In reply to John Peter Thompson	12 Feb 2012
1136	The "reality math" says the ONLY way these big financial bailouts actually work, is for bond holders to then SPEND their restored profits.	12 Feb 2012
1135	But if all around you are people who believe the world is a creation of their own consciousness, don't you have to just agree with them?	12 Feb 2012
1134	With every business needing ever growing shares of the earth, I guess we now all agree, the ultimate good &evil are one and the same thing.	12 Feb 2012
1133	@newscientist Ohi! The blame game goes in circles. Why the Earth Summit is doomed is because of us, expecting gov & biz to stabilize growth.	11 Feb 2012
1132	@Revkin Yea, why did we not design more secure software? Is it not possible, or just not imaginable for whole nations to be so dishonest!  In reply to Andy Revkin	11 Feb 2012
1131	Still confused. Why does "religious freedom" relieve religious employers of the need to protect the religious freedom of their employees?	11 Feb 2012
1130	Isn't it odd, our world choice of ever bigger and more complex solutions for still faster growing problems as our path to peace & security?	11 Feb 2012
1129	Even today, 2012, a hundred years late, almost no one sees why the earth wouldn't as infinite as ideas, with our options visibly vanishing.	11 Feb 2012
1128	@Revkin - The rub.. is productivity has been exhausting resources faster than new productivity creates them, driving a loss of opportunity.	11 Feb 2012
1127	@Revkin Well, Andy, You sound so ignorant to dismiss both #KXLand why nature dismisses politics; our ever growing need for using things up.  In reply to Andy Revkin	11 Feb 2012
1126	@AAASMeetings Could “reality math” help the AAAS?? #AAASmtgsynapse9.com/signals/2012/0…	11 Feb 2012
1125	Why does "reality math" matter?? People see their information as their reality. This math corrects our misinformation on the impacts of $'s.	11 Feb 2012
1124	@InvasiveNotes Do you count the "reality math", of ~8000btu/$ ??synapse9.com/SEA  In reply to John Peter Thompson	11 Feb 2012
1123	The "reality math" is: "Average" impacts per $ is far more accurate than "0". synapse9.com/SEA So unreported impacts get counted.	11 Feb 2012
1122	The "reality math" is embarrassing, OK, like exposing the Maldives' growing a high carbon economy, but WHAT deserves the embarrassment here?	11 Feb 2012
1121	Avoiding "reality math", REALLY doesn't promote sustainability. All money has much closer to average impacts than zero.synapse9.com/SEA	11 Feb 2012
1120	"Finding reality" takes two ways to explain things 1) for a reality in our minds we invent and 2) another for things nature invents, not us.	10 Feb 2012
1119	Piling up money till it collapses is piling up the future we're building till it collapses too. If "just numbers", it wouldn't collapse.	10 Feb 2012
1118	We could back off a bit, to see "piling up our dreams till they collapse" as "piling up our dreams till they collapse". It's only reality.	10 Feb 2012
1117	The solutions for saving the environment have given us multiplying problems to address, somehow. Is it our dodging the real questions?	10 Feb 2012
1116	A great thing about sacred beliefs, is how unquestionable they become. Would doubting our beliefs then, give us much more reliable ones??	10 Feb 2012
1115	so are we distracted from seeing "piling up stuff till it collapses" as "piling up stuff till it collapses", by "thinking with no thinking"?	9 Feb 2012
1114	@Adbusters Well, the violence of choice is "language violence", so enthralling even those you're attacking can't stop passing it around.  In reply to Adbusters Magazine	9 Feb 2012
1113	lnkd.in/h8cs9b Yes I'd generally agree, though one's choice of pejoratives is generally a kind of personal thing. Our two "main...	9 Feb 2012
1112	You can see a fragility of birth in "the wilting of the Arab Spring", not following freedom with a period of calm, for making things work.	9 Feb 2012
1111	The fragility of birth, to cut all ties with your prior source of life, while still weak, is very dangerous, and even more dangerous not to.	9 Feb 2012
1110	Our growth guidance system, as a feeble shoot, still defines using up its seed resource faster as more profitable than putting down roots.	9 Feb 2012
1109	A seedling is most vulnerable as a feeble shoot, at its limits of growth using the seed's fossil fuel, before it has taken root. Us too.	9 Feb 2012
1108	lnkd.in/EAVA7h Clif, Well, the first thing seems for "mankind to see what game it's playing", before it can tell how we’re playing...	8 Feb 2012
1107	#enoughwhat A benefit of recognizing your own limits is the freedom and security you get from not losing control of events that matter more.	8 Feb 2012
1106	#enoughwhat Enough with thinking money has no impacts, though it's plain we use it to request physical services, and we just don't see how!	8 Feb 2012
1105	#enoughwhat Enough of thinking that on a shrinking planet, taking more and more for yourself doesn't rob someone else.	8 Feb 2012
1104	#enoughwhat Enough thinking we "know it all" just because how nature organizes things leaves most observers utterly "out of the loop".	8 Feb 2012
1103	#enoughwhat Enough thinking our globally shrinking resources are "unknown" and so maybe infinite... even as their prices go ever upward..	8 Feb 2012
1102	@echoinggreen Our information is like "Swiss cheese" as market and natural systems leave observers "out of the loop".synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…	8 Feb 2012
1101	@echoinggreen #infographics for why our information on how nature works is SO full of holes. synapse9.com/issues/images/… fromsynapse9.com/signals/2012/0…  In reply to Echoing Green	8 Feb 2012
1100	lnkd.in/gXqBAx I don't know if I can jump directly from the reasoning above, but definitely agree in principle. One difficulty...	8 Feb 2012
1099	lnkd.in/WgenAP I don't know if I can directly use the reasoning here. I agree in principle, but note things like that the natural...	8 Feb 2012
1098	lnkd.in/3mfVmh But... as the saying goes, "there's no profit in it". These kind of dreamy schemes don't offer anything for the...	6 Feb 2012
1097	@Revkin ...but we're not going to sway public opinion if reducing CO2 for a financially strapped world competes for resources with growth.  In reply to Andy Revkin	6 Feb 2012
1096	@thinkprogress - But is that "real" progress, ...still be skirting how the rich can keep *multiplying* their earnings while wages now won't?  In reply to ThinkProgress	6 Feb 2012
1095	So, what keeps us from ending our own explosive growth is 1) not knowing unknown supplies are finite and 2) how to turn off a growth system.	6 Feb 2012
1094	How resource prices are rising indicates we crossed a natural limit of profitably using their decreasing quality.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves…	6 Feb 2012
1093	Maximizing our resource use efficiency we DOUBLE OUR RESOURCE NEED, and consume as much as in all of economic history, about every 40 years.	6 Feb 2012
1092	Look at the our culture, what still sells is advertising a never ending consumption spree, when we know affordable fuels are running out.	5 Feb 2012
1091	Why didn't they respond to increasingly unaffordable resources? Just like us their rich also probably kept wanting to just get richer.	5 Feb 2012
1090	We'd vanish like the Romans, Mayans and lots of others, depleting our resources till our rich societies just can't afford to keep working.	5 Feb 2012
1089	It's ever increasing rates of depletion for all resources, that decreases their quality to make them unaffordable to use in a crashing wave.	5 Feb 2012
1088	We act as if we realize our known resources are finite, but unaware exhausting our unknown ones VASTLY SPEEDS UP near their useful end.	5 Feb 2012
1087	The mega-wave of resource depletions started with demand food and fuel exceeding supply, and growth ever accelerates those and ALL others.	5 Feb 2012
1086	Isn't it odd, that we're facing a true global resource depletion tsunami, for EVERYTHING the economies find useful, AND NO ONE IS AWARE.	5 Feb 2012
1085	Our world consensus plan for sustaining prosperity **IS** to do what it takes to keep multiply money, as it depletes the earth ever faster.	5 Feb 2012
1084	Why is our whole cultural conversation ignoring the physical world??? It looks as if what's physically happening has no cultural relevance.	5 Feb 2012
1083	@HeleneFinidori Rediscovering what nature is doing inside those voids in our information becomes both fun and highly instructive it seems.	5 Feb 2012
1082	@HeleneFinidori People quite often "make up stuff" for those natural voids in our maps of the world, to drift lazily into magical thinking.	5 Feb 2012
1081	@HeleneFinidori Well, my focus has long been on the curious large voids in our information, around systems nature builds from the inside.  In reply to Helene Finidori	5 Feb 2012
1080	Is “Big Media” becoming “Big Brother”? Or are we acting out a more common grand human tragedy... living like a cancer?synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…	4 Feb 2012
1079	@HeleneFinidori Yes, and gaps in barriers are openings for active exploration. What if an "information world" favors "magical thinking"?
1078	@HeleneFinidori Why no use?? Lots of use!! If you discover you're wasting your time you can do something else. Lots of use!!  In reply to Helene Finidori	4 Feb 2012
1077	@HeleneFinidori Yes, in our minds that makes sense. The issue is to nature it won't, if what we do has the reverse of the intended effect.  In reply to Helene Finidori	3 Feb 2012
1076	lnkd.in/8WZEHC Well, the earliest fairly clear prediction inherent systemic financial instability that would produce great waves...	3 Feb 2012
1075	@HeleneFinidori My puzzle is why, if the world isn't working like our theory, "stewards of the earth" question the evidence instead.
1074	@HeleneFinidori We've been producing more of that, as well as fossil. Our uses deplete everything else usable on earth exponentially too.  In reply to Helene Finidori	3 Feb 2012
1073	@yesmagazine @dkorten David, Even with those big steps the most critical one even Keynes pointed out is missing, a natural limit for money.  In reply to YES! Magazine	3 Feb 2012
1072	@HeleneFinidori You know... like we've been "saving energy" all the time, and every year our energy use in total is growing exponentially...	3 Feb 2012
1071	@HeleneFinidori I've been in the middle of the activation movements for 40 years. People like their beliefs and ignore the reverse effects.  In reply to Helene Finidori	3 Feb 2012
1070	@thinkprogress ..and "job creation" continues to expand the economy and accelerate our depletion of natural resources exponentially.  In reply to ThinkProgress	3 Feb 2012
1069	@HeleneFinidori What gets "our ecology for transformation" off its islands of self-affirmation? We seem flustered by the reality of nature.	3 Feb 2012
1068	Regular periods of economic "retooling" causing "The Patterson Cycle" and why is it roughly 14 years long? qr.ae/7fmpu on @Quora	3 Feb 2012
1067	@VenessaMiemis Our ancient cultural "#meta-narrative" is "using our minds to control the world", why we don't notice we're destroying it.  In reply to Venessa Miemis	3 Feb 2012
1066	@Ethical_Corp - Lesson 11, Always missing from #TopTen is to "Count the impacts of using your profit to keep multiply your impacts."#CSR  In reply to Ethical Corporation	3 Feb 2012
1065	@InvasiveNotes @EcoInteractive Well... "Northern forests" actually NEVER were able to "trap carbon". Biomass residence time low, CO2's high.  In reply to John Peter Thompson	3 Feb 2012
1064	@ExperienceLife - "Visionaries striving for a healthier world" need humility too. Pumping the earth dry is mostly for the same goal too.  In reply to Experience Life	3 Feb 2012
1063	Or is it perhaps not the false ploys but the true ones like Google and Facebook, making the real power of the money multiplier's addicition.	2 Feb 2012
1062	Or is it because we're gullible and easily seduced by false gifts as ploys, paid for by people with a life addiction as a money multiplier.
1061	Or was it that someone big gave all our experts marching orders to march us all off over the biggest of all possible cliffs?
1060	So really, why are we trying to sustain our prosperity by using up our depleting resources ever faster, something we ate?
1059	Komen: We "apologize to the American public for recent decisions that cast doubt...[on] our mission of saving women's lives." Retweeted by J.L. Henshaw	2 Feb 2012
1058	@webisteme well, sure, the "money multiplier" is the person or business that rents their money to multiply it. It's addictive.  In reply to Eli Gothill	2 Feb 2012
1057	lnkd.in/yCkDWE OK, but you're still just asking how to represent nature in your model. That’s a study of modeling not of how...	2 Feb 2012
1056	@Adbusters #occupy Really since ~1970 when median incomes leveled off, GDP growth has been ENTIRELY growth in disparity, NOTHING ELSE.	2 Feb 2012
1055	@rushkoff Nature's ideal way to fund the web, so content is made for the viewer, needs a way to offer micro credits to sites as we view.
1054	@rushkoff - Doug, from my view of economies as physical systems, your ideas seem *just spot on*, and important. We'd have things to share.
1053	@Ethical_Corp - Ah well, see comment, "decoupling" one thing'll multiply our other wicked problems.. #CSR #Keystone awe.sm/5eUPn  In reply to Ethical Corporation	2 Feb 2012
1052	@STWR_ Helena, I agree with the logic, that the right way to end growth would keep jobs and save the climate too...theeconomicsofhappiness.wordpress.com/2012/01/27/the…   View media	1 Feb 2012
1051	When you start seeing the economy as an organic behavior of a whole environment, it helps turn your attention away from imposing your rules.	1 Feb 2012
1050	It really helps explain the economy to see that growth has such amazing variety in its complexity to be impossible to solve as an equation.	1 Feb 2012
1049	Driving a complex organic growth system like the economy, to grow like a cancer forever, hoping a model of boxes and arrows helps, won't.	1 Feb 2012
1048	@NatureNews Growth remains a growth process, creating the features of complex systems, nothing like a numeric model for boxes and arrows.	1 Feb 2012
1047	lnkd.in/3ABZeA Wolfgang, Thanks for your persistence. I’m trying to point out a common conceptual error, in thinking about how...	31 Jan 2012
1046	If ~$100K of GDP makes CO2 needing 1 acre of forest to recapture, who pays the finance, tax and labor costs of maintaining it forever too?	31 Jan 2012
1045	@TheTakeaway If nothing will be "decided" except by the election, then all we need to talk about is better understanding the real problems.	31 Jan 2012
1044	lnkd.in/GspVjN Not quite sure what you're saying. Resource markets have much more control over the decisions people than the...	30 Jan 2012
1043	lnkd.in/ZubK9G Well if that's what you want to know, then ask me. I've had the answer to that for 30 years, and to my surprise I...	30 Jan 2012
1042	lnkd.in/cXe6Ny OK, you seem to say you've another way to know all the right answers to the unusual questions I'd ask, and so don't...	30 Jan 2012
1041	It turns out the best parts of #capitalism are kept, and the evil parts lost, if businesses stop growing like cancers when the whole can't.	30 Jan 2012
1040	So... IF investors noticed limits to growing the economy were making it unprofitable, would they keep their parts growing like a cancer?	30 Jan 2012
1039	lnkd.in/_87rKr I guess you seem to keep saying just the right principles, but reaching the opposite conclusion I do. You say...	30 Jan 2012
1038	The big thing setting apart #Lively systems from ones following set rules or equations is their way of emerging as new systems with a burst.	30 Jan 2012
1037	@Revkin Search for life here on Earth alive too, spotting systems large or small working by themselves, as bursts of new relationships .	30 Jan 2012
1036	lnkd.in/uy5Rti Complexity models have a great many more problems with representing how natural systems emerge from their...	29 Jan 2012
1035	@HansRosling A way to fall into poverty and stay there is our old and current way of prospering, by ever accelerating resource depletion.  In reply to Hans Rosling	29 Jan 2012
1034	@NYTimesFriedman famously wrote on our shrinking environment, now plans on the opposite for our next great recovery..nytimes.com/2012/01/29/opi…	29 Jan 2012
1033	@nytimes Tom, It's such a mystery when "a changing environment" is the problem, we don't look for what it's changing!nytimes.com/2012/01/29/opi…	29 Jan 2012
1032	lnkd.in/2MJtR5 Well, I certainly agree with you when you say "There is no perfect closed from solution to anything." It's where...	29 Jan 2012
1031	Chile's Camila is a cool leader, like others tho, leading people to think distributing the problem of money will solve it not worsen it.	29 Jan 2012
1030	lnkd.in/pSbRiG Oops, some sort of mysterious error, 1.1.1. was mean to be 1.3.4 I think with * for 2. with the first word...	28 Jan 2012
1029	Going through these wrenching changes once a generation, or once every twenty, that's one thing, but going for doing them monthly is rough.	28 Jan 2012
1028	lnkd.in/rCTPXV 1. In common English, "reality" would be what our minds don't define, the matter of the world that exists by...	28 Jan 2012
1027	How to fly a pickle, first grow wings and jam your foot to the floor, then when you crash be glad it's just a pickle, and not your society.	28 Jan 2012
1026	lnkd.in/ENHvek So, if your model of a system's past indicates acceleration of a vehicle toward a tree, you could then compare the...	28 Jan 2012
1025	@OccupyWallStNYC. Why doesn't anyone seem to notice what creates inequality is not profit, but using it to multiply your power over others.  In reply to #OCCUPYWALLSTREET	27 Jan 2012
1024	@Revkin doesn't "locked in" to opposite extremes for the next 1000 years sound more like politics than the weather?  In reply to Andy Revkin	27 Jan 2012
1023	@giyom Banking *would* naturally shrink to a "clearing" task, if not for people adding sure profits to their bets for concentrating wealth.	27 Jan 2012

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1022	@dataliberation IT'S NOT FAIR AT ALL. You lock us into free services, to collect our data as your property, to sell not in our interests.	26 Jan 2012
1021	#Capitalism in Crisis @FinancialTimes - It's easy to criticize, not knowing how to steer an economy away from dead endsft.com/intl/cms/s/0/8…	26 Jan 2012
1020	@brookejarvis See comment there (yesmagazine.org/planet/new-yor…) Natural gas may be a high carbon, not low carbon, energy source synapse9.com/issues/images/…	26 Jan 2012
1019	lnkd.in/59S4sb I really do appreciate your frustration. The next question beyond having a useful model may be a way to say what...	26 Jan 2012
1018	lnkd.in/uMpshf It's just that to discuss how models fit a complex system like an economy, you kind of need to discuss the subject,...	24 Jan 2012
1017	lnkd.in/W_9KRq I think if you check the instrumental processes involved, you find that the means by which what you call...	24 Jan 2012
1016	lnkd.in/PNpepf That's the thing, they're made of information ONLY in our minds. The working processes of nature don't use...	24 Jan 2012
1015	@politifact An odder belief is I=PAT, that technology efficiency that first multiplied impacts will reverse them too!synapse9.com/home.htm#ish1	24 Jan 2012
1014	@politifact Why the economy doesn't behave as expected includes how crazy what we expect is, that it should grow forever with no difficulty.	24 Jan 2012
1013	@politifact re:#FLdebate You might fact check if any of them showed an understand of why the economy is not behaving as anyone expects?	24 Jan 2012
1012	lnkd.in/TXGizB Well, I could show you dozens of ways in which describing natural systems as information models following natural...	23 Jan 2012
1011	It's disturbing that usually "sustainability = BAU", more hidden ever growing impacts. Uncovering it will yield great hidden rewards too.	23 Jan 2012
1010	The economists who did it weren't "evil", they just wanted MEASURES OF GROWTH AND CONSTRAINT that conflicted, to BOTH mean "good".	23 Jan 2012
1009	Then if you use the phrase "do the math" as if it means something, and you find out you've been tricked, who should be responding but isn't.	23 Jan 2012
1008	So, that a trick of %'s allowed sustainability to become BAU and EVERYONE happy about it, still leaves us sustaining ever faster depletion.	23 Jan 2012
1007	People quoted rates of change in %'s are easily confused, by "units of measure" that are reset to "1.0", with each and every measurement.	23 Jan 2012
1006	What turned "sustainability" into "BAU" was at the beginning of the movement, economists defined decrease as slower %'s of increase.2012	23 Jan 2012
1005	If an intellectual trick turned "sustainability" into "BAU", to make it both popular and profitable, who should be responding but isn't?	23 Jan 2012
1004	@MittRomney Hmm... trying to buy the world turned out not to be cheap it seems.	22 Jan 2012
1003	@InvasiveNotes What most characterizes what a system selects is it's swell of accumulating parts over time, starting small and ending small.	22 Jan 2012
1002	lnkd.in/NYcBDm Ah, well. We do seem to all be agreeing on our inability to find a common way to refer to our subject again. I...	22 Jan 2012
1001	@InvasiveNotes Not really. What they effectively "scour their environments for" are complementary parts to add, on all scales at once.	22 Jan 2012
1000	lnkd.in/bBzrEk Wolfgang, "Predicting the future" may well be a false objective for models lacking a way to anticipate change in...	22 Jan 2012
999	InvasiveNotes John Peter Thompson   A paradox is a paradox for a reason: it means there’s something wrong in our thinking.	21 Jan 2012
998	@InvasiveNotes Fermi "not a paradox"?? If changes build, not vary randomly, results might be far more improbable.blogger.com/comment.g?blog…	22 Jan 2012
997	@Revkin @Annaleen If scientists don't lead with their real questions, others can't repeat them, and no one learns to think scientifically.	22 Jan 2012
996	It's still the free choice of investors... to invest in exploiting the earth to its exhaustion for ever growing false profits, either way.	22 Jan 2012
995	Or is it not paying attention that traps us in fixed thinking about an ever changing world, that forces us to develop bad hearts?	22 Jan 2012
994	Is it that our bad hearts cause us to not pay attention, so we get in trouble with our endlessly beautiful ever changing world?	22 Jan 2012
993	You might say "nature's at fault", inventing all kinds of things "too good to be true" that blow up and rearrange everything around them.	21 Jan  2012
992	lnkd.in/Emtp7C Wolfgang, Starting from your saying what matters “IS THE INTERFACE AMONG THEM, where virtually no one is working”....	21 Jan 2012
991	@InvasiveNotes: "if an entity grows at the exspense of the orginating source shoud it always be excised?"- or paired by finding its match??	21 Jan 2012
990	@Revkin What does "game over" for climate change mean,the chance of losing manhattan to the sea up from 5% to 50% maybe, a new problem?	20 Jan 2012
989	lnkd.in/tD-hYr George, I'd accept your concept of "human nature" as a measurable entity, for how we represent things to fit into...	20 Jan 2012
988	The #media of a sane #society would spend 90% of #politicaldiscussion on understanding the problems and 10% of what politicians say...	20 Jan 2012
987	@aleksj Oh,.. and the way we talked about for monetizing the web does offer a simple way to secure it too.	19 Jan 2012
986	@aleksj But... how would you secure the open web?? Shouldn't the biggies volunteer to design a way rather rather than throw their tantrums?	19 Jan 2012
985	What's "shady" about finance? SO many ways of dismissing how money is confined to reality, as what we use to ask others to do stuff!	19 Jan 2012
984	Where are medicine's "leaches", religion's "incantations" and science's "epicycles" today?? Well they obviously ALL moved into finance!	19 Jan 2012
983	lnkd.in/zw7STN Maybe this will help identify what has always separated our approaches, as well as show you my way of getting to...	19 Jan 2012
982	Tax Law needs *two rates for capital gains* 1)a rate for investments that build, and 2) for those that burn, our bridges to having a future.	19 Jan 2012
981	What burns our bridges to the future is using the resources to build them for anything else, burning them up denying the need to change.	19 Jan 2012
980	The big #jobs #loss the #Keystone pipeline would cause is loss of scarce resources for a sustainable economy to extending an outmoded one.	19 Jan 2012
979	lnkd.in/2mZizD Wolfgang, Well you suggest human cognition is enough, and I don’t doubt as knowledge accumulates cognition may...	18 Jan 2012
978	The great past societies that excelled in problem solving all appear to have bet on it, creating their own insolvable problem and died.	18 Jan  2012
977	The big difference between physical and conceptual worlds, is nature keeps perfect track of things physically we mostly miss conceptually.	18 Jan 2012
976	lnkd.in/mAuYfE Wolfgang, Yes I agree with that principle, that from a modeler's view it's identifying real constraints that allow...	18 Jan 2012
975	@InvasiveNotes @eizusdoow I think Google is very largely just being greedy, not wanting to change their growth model to make the world safe.	18 Jan 2012
974	It might appear someone should, but actually no one really makes money off of driving their whole economic system to exhaustion.	18 Jan 2012
973	lnkd.in/j3PN6b Well, how I was able to predict a storm of crises 30 years in the future, that would end economic growth...	18 Jan 2012
972	Still, the opportunity to make the change, from growth to self-reliance needs resources, and does pass by if used to resist not to move on.	18 Jan 2012
971	It can be a tough choice, if the baggage to cut at the limit to growth is the former source of life, the fossil resource or umbilical chord.	18 Jan 2012
970	It's a similar choice for a world economy, for it to graduate from taxing the earth to get ever bigger to get ever better, or we go broke.	18 Jan 2012
969	An individual's "limit to growth" is "change", stop paying for college, shed the baggage of childhood and finding how to be free and profit.	18 Jan 2012
968	People are so stubborn they miss the most obvious of natural solutions to what we see as confounding problems, like limits to growth.	18 Jan 2012
967	@edyong209 @revkin Also funny is omitting how "good science" sees "new science" as "bad science" to joke about first.blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscien…	17 Jan 2012
966	"Dodges" are OK if it's dodging the bullet rather than dodging the question... to stand flat footed waiting for bullets, like 0 net-energy.	17 Jan 2012
965	@JohnTierneyNYT Easy Counter to Climate Change (promoting growth too) like ALL #dodges, lets real problem get worse.nyti.ms/xtWjik	17 Jan 2012
964	@NYTIMES Practical Counter to Climate Change (promoting growth too) like ALL #dodges, lets the real problem get worse.nyti.ms/xtWjik	17 Jan 2012
963	@Ethical_Corp The "bridge to the future" would also have grown an economy too big to ever cross, a deeper error all growth plans make.	17 Jan 2012
962	**Any project starts with growth**, using its progress to multiply its parts, but then to survive... uses its progress to serve its world.	17 Jan 2012
961	@Ethical_Corp Yes, as a "bridge to the future" natural gas was investors' dream ignoring their system's effects again!energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor…	17 Jan 2012
960	@7homaslin @nytimes @revkin You find natural processes are not inherent, but develop from local invention, like even social networks!	16 Jan 2012
959	@7homaslin @nytimes @revkin How little information we can have is seen in how individual events originate, always from a vanishing point!	16 Jan 2012
958	@7homaslin @nytimes @revkin What'll show how little information we can have is how individual events develop, always from a vanishing point!	16 Jan 2012
957	@7homaslin @nytimes Oh, I think it already has with more coming, like showing how little information about how nature works we'll ever have.	16 Jan 2012
956	@revkin So really, why is world policy to reduce economic impacts and keep the economy growing by switching from resources to efficiency?	16 Jan 2012
955	@Ethical_Corp The Challenge for #CSR #Sustainability #Reporting, What share of the whole is yours?? synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…	16 Jan 2012
954	@InvasiveNotes Oh no!! as growth is how all things begin. They're kept if the profit they make from expanding control gets spent joining in.	16 Jan 2012
953	@InvasiveNotes @lisduarte @Brazilintel If the social values of the cells deny being part of the body, every cell is a cancer, like we see.	16 Jan 2012
952	@postgrowth Using social value theory gave us reducing the economy by expanding it more efficiently, driving all our purposes into conflict.	16 Jan 2012
951	If the social thinking of both liberals and conservatives come from voodoo science, it's pride in the competition that's really sick.	16 Jan 2012
950	@Ethical_Corp @Revkin Our social thinking is SO #uneducated, expanding things more efficiently to shrink them, is #scientism, not #science.	16 Jan 2012
949	It's that concentrating jobs in fewer hands is now a more profitable way to "make money", as everything pushes up against natural limits.	15 Jan 2012
948	There's a quite natural cause for investment markets acting as if it was more profitable to use our savings to eliminate jobs for our kids.	15 Jan 2012
947	I think maybe the more steps of separation between your eyes and your impacts serves to greatly reduce them... is that possible?	15 Jan 2012
946	@Ethical_Corp #CSR #Fracking When studied as a system, does natural gas really create more GHG's than coal or oil?energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor…	15 Jan 2012
945	@Revkin @TimesUnion Andy, what about research saying natural gas, as a system, produces more GHG's that coal or oil??energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor…	15 Jan 2012
944	@mattmillernow It's predators,.. but that *everyone's* savings once created jobs for our kids, naturally reversing at the limits of growth.	15 Jan 2012
943	Is politics a lot like mud wrestling, with everyone floundering around trying to pin each other with their slippery misconceptions?	14 Jan 2012
942	@theTBI @JesseJenkins Problem with proving macro principles with micro theory @climateprogress is rebound still = 2.5.thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/01/1…	14 Jan 2012
941	lnkd.in/u4MpjW Isn't it something like a "natural law" that an implied contract for guaranteed perpetual multiplying returns on...	14 Jan 2012
940	Our purposes in growth started coming into growing conflict 50+ years ago, as if with the limits of the earth, as intensifying resistance.	14 Jan 2012
939	It might start with noticing the things our theories can't control, and realizing that most of our ideal purposes are coming into conflict.	14 Jan 2012
938	How do we get back to a world that hasn't gone mad with conflicting visions and languages, might be another less technical way to ask it.	14 Jan 2012
937	So, should we "forge ahead" on the trusted old plan, not somehow causing massive inequality as we destroy the earth for the winners??	14 Jan 2012
936	There was a time when growth DID "lift all boats", but the data says now it changed, and anyone's growth success costs another's failure.	14 Jan 2012
935	Then you get to asking, if the river of money was manageable at one point, but now become deeper than any dam or channel can constrain, why?	13 Jan 2012
934	Growing rivers of consumption go around conservation or regulation like water around a stick, that only a dam ridge to ridge would restrain.	13 Jan 2012
933	The economic appetites evade how we push them, flowing around barriers like water, as what makes profit seeking markets so successful.	13 Jan 2012
932	Why the system goes the opposite way we think we're pushing it starts with believing, not denying, the data.synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl…	13 Jan 2012
931	We think opposing "the system" has an effect, but often it's **only where we're looking** so conservation goes with growing waste somehow.	13 Jan 2012
930	@Revkin @keithkloor Well, there's also the older "free content" info. problem, that nature's systems work from the inside, hidden from view.	13 Jan 2012
929	@Revkin @dotearth @story_collider @tvjrennie (of course, thinking of the real world as what we're looking at rather than what our minds see)	13 Jan 2012
928	@Revkin @dotearth @story_collider @tvjrennie So, is the blind side of science that only what our theories *don't control* refers to reality?	13 Jan 2012
927	@STWR_ It's nuts to say ending poverty requires growth, as growth is what caused poverty. Nature is a balance, needing greed and restraint.	13 Jan 2012
926	@Revkin @jimdwyernyt But.. the devil's in the detail, natural gas as a system may produce more CO2 per btu than oil!energy.wilkes.edu/PDFFiles/Repor…	13 Jan 2012
925	@Adbusters #OCCUPYNIGERIA Fine message that working ever harder is just not fun! The question is how to use the profits to heal the process.	13 Jan 2012
924	@NatureNews What, "stuff the ballot box" for science. That's a great idea. Could we also keep social media from inventing its own realities?	13 Jan 2012
923	@InvasiveNotes How the food crisis and energy crisis link exposes "peak everything" as the earth's real limit of money.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves…	13 Jan 2012
922	@Revkin @whitehouse Investing in growth, while hiding impacts from view, is using our profits to avoid change, not facilitating our change.	13 Jan 2012
921	@Revkin @whitehouse But the plan is still "BAU", for the economy's encroachment on the earth growing forever, trying to keep it out of view.	13 Jan 2012
920	@ClimateReality Being economically efficient, GDP still takes 16oz. of CO2 per $1. So the earth's limit for CO2 is also its limit for money.	13 Jan 2012
919	@ClimateReality Environmental protection hasn't ever protected the environment from economic encroachment, except symbolically.	13 Jan 2012
918	@InvasiveNotes @Pescalune @LPOFrance If you can't see "your" own impacts, they'll be closer to "average" for the system you're in than "0".	12 Jan 2012
917	@InvasiveNotes @Pescalune @LPOFrance The source of the problem isn't damage done, but growing our uses of the earth hoping to not do damage.	12 Jan 2012
916	@InvasiveNotes @Pescalune @LPOFrance A great irony of environmental protection is relieving symptoms diverts action from the problem too...	12 Jan 2012
915	It's very interesting, that a pivotal issue of the extreme right is becoming the sustainability of using profits for profit, costing jobs!!	11 Jan 2012
914	The profits of the old system used to make a sustainable one, will create the only system, as the building of things designed to fail, does.	11 Jan 2012
913	@brookejarvis @DeChristopher Heroism is great, but lacking insight looses effect, so fragmented campaigns compete for shrinking funds.	11 Jan 2012
912	@ClimateReality You need to use the profits of the old system to build the new, but its quite false to say the new can profit like the old.	11 Jan 2012
911	1 The eruptions of life are found, exploring the "S" curves of time, that start with explosions of new relationships, that resolve or not.	11 Jan 2012
910	1 Good natured people stay unaware of their living world since what they see is in their heads, making the erupting changes of life invisible.	11 Jan 2012
909	1 It's the same "mind/world" barrier trapping us idiotic political struggle, from the horrors of Gilgamesh the Bible and Voltaire to today.	11 Jan 2012
908	1 It's good natured people destroying the earth, not recognizing the explosive self-organizing events of nature our lives are built around.	11 Jan 2012
907	1 @postgrowth @jeffhollender Workers seeking maximum returns from a natural world they see only as a resource, WON'T CHANGE A THING.	11 Jan 2012
906	1 Q: Oh! ... heavens, you seem to owe me a nearly infinite amount of money!! A: duhh... OK I guess. I'll work a little harder.	10 Jan 2012
905	1 How many societies grew to destroy their environments and themselves? Seemingly all the ones that tried to measure wealth with math.	10 Jan 2012
904	1 Little doubt **something** will happen to a deranged world intellectual culture whose prosperity is using up stuff running out ever faster.	10 Jan 2012
903	1 Why we really have ever more complex and rapidly changing problems is simple, our building an ever more complex and rapidly changing world.	10 Jan 2012
902	What promotes vast cultures of artificial reality, quackery or not, is dealing with ever more complex problems with ever less attention.	10 Jan 2012
901	@Sheril_ @Revkin Is it #quackery the way social networks redefine how nature works, just by their agreement, accepted by most as if science?	10 Jan 2012
900	@Ethical_Corp The error misleading us on natural gas was... THE USUAL ONE WE MAKE, not looking at it as a whole system.synapse9.com/SEA	10 Jan 2012
899	What makes the world's growing #conflict and #complications so #confusing is our #failure see how it's our #successes directly causing it.	10 Jan 2012
898	The #conflict around the world is mostly from our #successes, growing investment in solutions becoming too complex and conflicted to manage.	10 Jan 2012
897	But is rising #confusion and #conflict around the world being caused by people's #successes or their #failures???	10 Jan 2012
896	Asking if the brain "knows" anything at all, except its own social constructions, would help reveal the underlying matrix of the real world.	9 Jan 2012
895	Information is a problem for debating how nature's systems work, if that's hidden within them. People then argue fantasies not effects.	9 Jan 2012
894	On average, a $10 purchase, say some wine, really takes the economy making 10lb. of CO2 to deliver to you! What you don't know can hurt...	9 Jan 2012
893	Is the real problem aggregate over-investment, caused by our everyone's effort to maximize their growing investment?ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2012/01/0…	9 Jan 2012
892	The natural limit of profitable growth, as where expanding our consumption of the earth becomes unprofitable, isn't even discussed. #check!	9 Jan 2012
891	It's good natured people, and their prosperity, still leading the exhaustion of the earth in the name of creating plenty, who don't #check.	9 Jan 2012
890	lnkd.in/p2feVH Those are some good indicators, but there's a need to be able to define the turning point, and line not to cross,...	8 Jan 2012
889	So, could the real problem be vast over-investment, naturally caused by maximizing our rate of multiplying investment?ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2012/01/0…	8 Jan 2012
888	@Revkin @politifact Physical progress has limits because addition and subtraction are conserved, so trends change their environments, check!	8 Jan 2012
887	lnkd.in/2qKq-h Animated natural systems also show accumulative design, like the development of natural air currents....	7 Jan 2012
886	@Revkin @politifact Actually, it's particularly physical directions of progress that become their own impediment, not dreams. Check!	7 Jan 2012
885	@politifact @revkin Does progress naturally become an increasing impediment to progress? The firm scientific answer is "Yes". Please check	7 Jan 2012
884	@Revkin check "Will getting bigger result in difficulty for getting bigger?" "Do we live by contradiction even for things we could check?"	7 Jan 2012
883	General media disclaimer "Given persistent conflict between views of common realities WE PRINT WHAT PAYS, AND STOP LOOKING FOR HOW TO CHECK"	7 Jan 2012
882	A "truth in reporting" disclaimer is needed. "Given conflicting views of common realities "WE PRINT TRUE AND FALSE VIEWS AS EQUALLY VALID"	7 Jan 2012
881	lnkd.in/DMVzFS Accumulative branching is a key feature of all sorts of natural system design, but I think needs to be considered...	6 Jan 2012
880	And in the end, theory still finds, all of nature must be between the lines.	6 Jan 2012
879	With our lives, like anything that uses energy, being some kind of "flame".	6 Jan 2012
878	Energy conservation says "before & after must add up for energy" and Q.M. that "they can't add up for our information". Both seem very true!	6 Jan 2012
877	That science is an art of finding questions you can answer with high confidence, evidently makes it all but totally useless to politicians.	6 Jan 2012
876	An odd reality of politics is "policies" mostly effect the news, and NOT really the economy, an organism "on a tear"... we don't understand.	5 Jan 2012
875	lnkd.in/iTBqiH I wasn't the first to predict the economy's breakdown for the same cause I ultimately singled out as an unavoidable...	4 Jan 2012
874	So, now it's Wednesday, election over, and every question science can't answer is STILL up to politicians and social activists to decide	4 Jan 2012
873	lnkd.in/yJwmbT There are also differences between predicting events and understanding why our economic system is presently failing...	3 Jan 2012
872	lnkd.in/aTV7MU With some people arranging to accumulate their incomes by %'s and others by constant units, I don't see how a...	3 Jan 2012
871	lnkd.in/-wVPzg That's interesting. It's fairly common (six blind men and the elephant) that different valid views of complex...	3 Jan 2012
870	lnkd.in/UYNX7W Well, if you think of careful forensic detective work to be "qualitative", then I guess so. It's less about...	2 Jan 2012
869	lnkd.in/KJh_N8 George, The way I apply the physics behind my method (of natural organizational limits to growth) is to then look...	2 Jan 2012
868	So, better to think of nature as the new information you are missing, and need to find, rather than beliefs based on information of past	2 Jan 2012
867	What's often bogus in our beliefs is treating trends as nature having fixed rules, when it's the opposite, changing rules that won't last.	2 Jan 2012
866	When over-invested and expansion isn't making multiplying returns of cheaper stuff but the opposite, invest in solidifying not expanding.	2 Jan 2012
865	Or.. we could discover that #belief usually produces bogus ideas of the future, wrong directions searching for what NEW path to take.	2 Jan 2012
864	Here's an idea, ro fix the economy we could replace one guy who has no idea what the problem is with a bunch of others who don't either.	2 Jan 2012
863	kcrw.com/news/programs/… @LRC The common view of "the disconnect" expressed today is as close to a real understanding of our deep problem as...	1 Jan 2012
862	@EarthEconomics @evangineer @kalamishere @ClimateSpec@ISEEORG @Moraleconomy @theneweconomics@feasta_tweets No-growth except for money ????	28 Dec 2011
861	What society's desire for growing profits runs into... is how it changed the earth, a far bigger "head wind" facing us than Barack imagines.	27 Dec 2011
860	All society wants from Wall St is ever growing returns for those with savings, and not see the growing impacts. Inequality is one of them.	27 Dec 2011
859	@adbusters To "flow to where it needs to" #occupy needs insight, ...on how Wall St creates inequality doing exactly what society asks it to.	27 Dec 2011
858	Even cutting diamonds is "just a little tap" (in just the right direction). But you have to closely study the internal nature of diamonds.	26 Dec 2011
857	Leaders extol the masses to "all pull together", and treat me as a complete idiot for pointing out we won't get anywhere without wheels.	26 Dec 2011
856	@Ethical_Corp We **still** do math counting only visible impacts of money (mostly "0"), actually "average" 8000btu/$.synapse9.com/SEA	24 Dec 2011
855	@Ethical_Corp We **still** count math for increasing impacts more efficiently as a social credit for reducing them, after all. A gold mine!	24 Dec 2011
854	@Ethical_Corp The end of SRI is surely that new professional money makers in "sustainability" are so good at getting self-contradiction pay.	24 Dec 2011
853	@Adbusters #Jobcreation IS ONLY DONE FOR PROFIT, which reliably creates competition, but *NOT JOBS*, when the economy is short of resources.	24 Dec 2011
852	@Adbusters Keeping a job is a struggle too, keeping up with the new competition from #jobcreation,.. our profits for investors get used for.	24 Dec 2011
851	@Adbusters Well, the "shadow of the market" is in EVERYTHING, as using the market to multiply markets is .. *what we do*.	24 Dec 2011
850	@InvasiveNotes The ideas of Thales were reversed by Plato and Aristotle, so we now still treat nature as following human ideals.	23 Dec 2011
849	@InvasiveNotes The first Greek scientist, Thales, discovered if you studied nature as behaving by itself and knew math you could make money.	23 Dec 2011
848	@InvasiveNotes I would say no, a "thing" is less something *we* can "see, touch or feel", than something with physical behaviors of its own.	23 Dec 2011
847	@InvasiveNotes A "concerto" is both "thing" and "abstraction", as the word refers to both the physical phenomenon and our ideas about it.	23 Dec 2011
846	@InvasiveNotes Pi is a very useful abstraction, real to us, but only expressed in nature *by implication* of theory, a mental construct.	23 Dec 2011
845	@InvasiveNotes You find nature determines things in a way nothing like humans do, and so arrives at quite different results too.	23 Dec 2011
844	@InvasiveNotes The continuities of natural systems are built differently than continuities of explanation, and it's quite useful to notice.	23 Dec 2011
843	@InvasiveNotes The "members" and "relationships" between them in any abstract model are still all abstracted information, theory not things.	23 Dec 2011
842	Only information raising good questions about realities beyond your view is truthful, like signals of change in how nature is responding.	23 Dec 2011
841	@InvasiveNotes Oh John, think it through. Tensors are abstract images vastly under-representing real subjects, unless by pointing to them.	23 Dec 2011
840	lnkd.in/trHWDQ It would be "the Dutch" and any others who see the profit opportunity in a market cornered naturally by demand...	23 Dec 2011
839	@InvasiveNotes Oh yes, forgot to put in "changing" in that, as natural forms are changing everywhere at once and information is fixed.	22 Dec 2011

838	@InvasiveNotes Oh, why all information is faulty is it's abstracted, from complex relationships in complex environments stripped away.	22 Dec 2011
837	Lnkd.in/iW_PcM I added the following as a comment to the original article from Forcasting.Net "Predicting the Global Economic...	22 Dec 2011
836	Now, then... why is it that the world expert community consensus is that we can reduce our footprint on the earth by expanding more rapidly?	22 Dec 2011
835	If God isn't what makes it *so visibly clear* only multiplying is profoundly *not fruitful*, then he's just another of our self-deceptions.	22 Dec 2011
834	If God isn't within the resolution of new beginnings by harmonizing with what they touch, he's really missing out on something.	22 Dec 2011
833	If God isn't within the bursts of new relationships that begin all the large and small storms of live, he's missing out on something.	22 Dec 2011
832	Why look for it in our words instead of in life's things. Why not look more deeply into what it is in life that inspires them?	22 Dec 2011
831	Why not look for it in the immediacy of life itself, not the retelling of theory and fable we invent, but in the very brilliance of reality?	22 Dec 2011
830	Why not look for the pulse of the universe in the bursts of innovation that begin any event, visibly what makes life and time so "lively".	22 Dec 2011
829	Why, though? Don't all people deeply desire to put their finger on the pulse of the universe?	21 Dec 2011
828	Maybe it's that human culture has no connections at all with the living world it's part of... I do feel like such an alien bringing it up.	21 Dec 2011
827	It turns science into both an actual and metaphorical treasure hunt, for hints on where to look for the secrets of our living world!	21 Dec 2011
826	An ideal place to look for missing information, on how nature "connects the dots", is studying the growth of new environmental systems.	21 Dec 2011
825	Searching for information you're missing is a task of discovering how nature "connects the dots", not how one's own social values would.	21 Dec 2011
824	Is it better to search for information you're missing, or a theory to make sense of information you have? The latter is surely easier!	21 Dec 2011
823	Lnkd.in/6ZGmrg Missing from world concern for the food crisis is our growing food/fuel demand, with no regulatory or supply solution.	21 Dec 2011
822	Spreading our most important social values will never be heard by nature, *unless* we assign value to understanding her processses.	20 Dec 2011
821	information theory proves that the perfect imitation is the real thing. But what do you need to see that all information is really faulty??	20 Dec 2011
820	It's the natural meaning of "maturity", when energy use stops growing and real knowledge growth begins, stabilizing scale to grow in wisdom.	20 Dec 2011
819	An odd hidden fact of life is what money measures is exchanges for energy use, REAL"knowledge economy" grows on a no-growth economy.	20 Dec 2011
818	Like we could have ever improving healthcare for fixed cost too, defining that as the need instead of multiplying profits to break the bank.	20 Dec 2011
817	We could have economies of growing knowledge, ever broader and deeper on a constant budget as a future, just not growing profits and energy.	20 Dec 2011
816	@tedtalks @innovatorsblog That we don't share minds, we can't check any other, for the whole self-responsiveness of all living things.	19 Dec 2011
815	You can see time as an addition process in growth, cycles of stimulus & response add a little each time, going in circles to get somewhere.	19 Dec 2011
814	Being unaware of time as a process of addition also hides why earning by %'s and by $'s diverges, as the real source of wealth disparity.	19 Dec 2011
813	Mistaking efficient increase with decrease, for saving the earth, comes with living in the "ever-present", unaware of time as addition.	19 Dec 2011
812	How did doing development that adds to our impacts on the earth so efficiently it is said to reduce them... get called "sustainability"??	19 Dec 2011
811	Any time contentious questions come up, someone seems to be arguing their imagination is without bound. Shouldn't that make us suspicious?	19 Dec 2011
810	Steiglitz now saying US economy in drift toward depression. wnyc.org/shows/bl/2011/… ..Or is it simply nature's way of shedding excess demand?	19 Dec 2011
809	Human designs are SO unresponsive to what's hidden from view. To nature's magically sustained bursts of organization NOTHING seems hidden.	19 Dec 2011
808	@Frances_Coppola @edwardnh The 5000 years of debt have also been turmoil, misunderstanding "be fruitful and multiply".. creditwritedowns.com/2011/12/the-hi…	19 Dec 2011
807	Why life is so magical, is partly that how the myriad natural systems behave by themselves, beyond our view, is itself truly magical.	18 Dec 2011
806	@yesmagazine - A small giant problem with Kortens & #Occupy just blaming "the bandits". yesmagazine.org/people-power/d…	18 Dec 2011
805	The values #TEEB puts on nature also miss the impacts of money hidden by a lack of receipts. synapse9.com/SEA #TED on.ted.com/A5wm	18 Dec 2011
804	@CapInstitute On #Keystone, Obama just needs to do the math. A greatly expanding commitment to outmoded technology won't be profitable.	18 Dec 2011
803	@LarissaDrekonja .. and when people don't care,.. then count on nature to not let that to continue, as not caring is just abdication.	18 Dec 2011
802	But society is unified in asking gov. and biz. to continually grow our profits, incomes and demands on the earth, destabilizing the earth.	18 Dec 2011
801	People don't actually need ever doubling incomes, so finding how that is destabilizing the earth is a signal to stop, not itself a problem.	18 Dec 2011
800	What ties money to reality is how we use it, destabilizing our world most directly using it to multiply our instructions for our world?	18 Dec 2011
799	Both common sense and calculus say you don't slow things down being efficient at speeding them up, ..what our money myths have us ALL doing.	16 Dec 2011
798	If pushing harder earns new penalties rather than rewards, it's often a sign of natural resistance, not a call to sacrifice and push harder.	16 Dec 2011
797	@postgrowth @socialadvoc8 Adapting to forces beyond your control is very natural, but in our case also lets them keep getting worse.	16 Dec 2011
796	Renewables won't give you limitless growing energy, but more sustainable jobs than dirty oil pipelines to be abandoned to save the climate.	15 Dec 2011
795	@cjeder #Occupy's policy is "everybody's pissed" a true self-affirming social value, not an insight into what to do, so it isn't strategy.	14 Dec 2011
794	Basically, regulators haven't noticed that the earth has started producing less, so the banks suffer from their own taking of ever more.	14 Dec 2011
793	By avoiding policy debate the #Occupy policy becomes "everyone made happy", and nearly all agreeing on a range of contradictory things.	14 Dec 2011
792	The basic problem is trusting things that work in our heads to work in the world. Nature is simply not persuaded by our social battles.	14 Dec 2011
791	Social values actually don't make good economic theory, wishful thinking replacing what has to work. Wish the economists knew that too.	14 Dec 2011
790	So in our continuing war with nature we're losing decisive battles, society consumed with contradictory policy no one checks with reality.	14 Dec 2011
789	The social value *everyone* agrees on is "things should work", but then never check if their social policy would have that effect.	14 Dec 2011
788	Investors react even worse, of course, to finding their natural fiduciary duty is to spend their profits so the earth isn't over-invested.	13 Dec 2011
787	So, my question is why our culture so afraid of reality, when that is clearly not a diversion, but the only way out of a jam.	13 Dec 2011
786	One glaring one is the world use of efficiency to expand production, treated as blasphemy by greens claiming the opposite for consumption!!	13 Dec 2011
785	When the schemes of the "good guys" are as mad or madder than those of the "bad guys", then you have a real problem!	13 Dec 2011
784	@giyom - yes, "conquering death" with average impacts of using 8000btu, like 1/2kg CO2 & paving more earth, per $1. synapse9.com/design/dollars…	13 Dec 2011
783	I mention it, as the world DOES measure the energy use for products as "0" when lacking information, not "average"...http://synapse9.com/SEA	12 Dec 2011
782	Like treating a lack of information as proof of what you like, with the energy cost of using money = 0 not "average", if you can't trace it.	12 Dec 2011
781	A telling example is treating a lack of information as proof of what we like, the energy cost of using money being 0, if you don't see it.	12 Dec 2011
780	How people don't think straight is seen in our not using reasoning to fill the gaps in our reasoning, but self-affirming guesswork instead.	12 Dec 2011
779	@Revkin Andy, nyti.ms/rO4O2k is so clearly dimwitted, to ignore rates of change entirely, I'm shocked you don't offer it as ironic	12 Dec 2011
778	@CapInstitute @Adbusters -So why wouldn't it be worth studying the natural economics of the real world? (To see what dreams can be real)	12 Dec 2011
777	But the question is does ANYONE want out of the mind's traps of artificial reality enough to escape them, and would that change anything?	12 Dec 2011
776	#CSR #SRI ...well, of course, not to overlook that the whole PURPOSE of #consciousness is essentially to let us bask in self-deception...	12 Dec 2011
775	But GDP *IS* *REAL end goods and services*, in units scaled to enduring values like food and fuel, with GDP & impacts seen growing together.	12 Dec 2011
774	People want "#decoupling" money from impacts to work. The impacts of money aren't what you see, though, but what average people do with it.	12 Dec 2011
773	"Green Climate Fund" will reduce carbon locally to promote it with growth globally, the real source of ALL our conflicts with the earth.	12 Dec 2011
772	People wouldn't need to become ever more productive to survive, if their profits weren't used for #feedback driving the entire economy to.	11 Dec 2011
771	Being consumed with continuing the main problem, ever growing productivity using up the earth for profit, it seems all anyone has time for.	11 Dec 2011
770	@Revkin @brodernyt No timeline for CO2 works while ignoring the 80% of energy demand for uncounted business services. synapse9.com/SEA	11 Dec 2011
769	That business services all promote our main economic purpose, growth, and ever multiplying resource demand,... then seems hidden from view.	11 Dec 2011
768	The REAL reasons for energy demand now persistently exceeding supply is the ~80% of demand hidden in business services, and what THEY do.	11 Dec 2011
767	So the energy discussion uses highly "asymmetric" data, as if the ~20% of business energy demand from technology worked in total isolation.	11 Dec 2011
766	Businesses record the energy demands of technology, but can't for the FAR larger energy use for outsourced services. synapse9.com/SEA	11 Dec 2011
765	Social networks, like religions and even science, create their stories of reality using information they have, overlooking what they don't.	11 Dec 2011
764	Lnkd.in/dNfJPp Carl, I do generally agree, that our subjective view gives a subjective direction to the theories we develop. One...	9 Dec 2011
763	@ClimateReality Clean energy would be cleaner... if it substituted for dirty energy rather than just added to it and growing energy impacts.	8 Dec 2011
762	@johnmsmart John Smart - Nice start. No more corporate personhood in LA, Unanimous plt.me/MjEyMDE2	8 Dec 2011
761	What @Adbusters and #Occupy don't get is why finance has to get ever bigger ever faster, society's mistaken demand for ever growing profits.	8 Dec 2011
760	What the #TeaParty doesn't get is things can't work as for a small society in a big world, as it's the costs of the reverse we're hitting.	8 Dec 2011
759	Lnkd.in/vzcWka Well, James, I'm often in that same position. What I usually find is if people can't agree on what the subject...	8 Dec 2011
758	Lnkd.in/X95pac Yes, we should also consider as a core question of systems thinking whether natural phenomena are by their nature...	8 Dec 2011
757	Lnkd.in/3RvMRE What I'm trying to raise is the difference between "natural phenomena" that work by their own complex processes,...	8 Dec 2011
756	Lnkd.in/SJqsSg James, A growth is a kind of system construction process, in which the organization of the system develops...	7 Dec 2011
755	Lnkd.in/Ah4eyZ James, Virtually every growth system is a classic example of history dependent distributed self-organization....	7 Dec 2011
754	Lnkd.in/8VnTb2 James, you seem to be reaching, to seemingly say humans should be exempt from the observable physical properties of...	7 Dec 2011
753	Lnkd.in/pjZxcT James, NECSI seems to be a scientific organization, which studies complex systems, including those that become...	7 Dec 2011
752	@Adbusters If #Occupy is all about systemic change, how come its supporters don't talk to systemic thinkers, just social thinkers?	6 Dec 2011
751	Lnkd.in/kGExfy P.S. Elan, Just to address one of your particular points, that I agree does *seem* to contradict the view that...	6 Dec 2011
750	We just don't live in that world any more, when a little productivity improvement would keep uncorking limitless growing resources.	6 Dec 2011
749	Lnkd.in/8a_B28 Elan, I do agree with you on the success of democratic government to successively improve the lives of people....	6 Dec 2011
748	@Revkin @wihbey @YaleE360 - All that social self-affirmation, neatly avoiding discussion of THE MAIN FORCING FACTOR, growing money.	6 Dec 2011
747	Information models *always* fail when growing complexity for physical systems goes beyond the limit of information in the models.	6 Dec 2011
746	The conceptual error in fixes for "containing a blow-out" is failing to address BOTH the information model AND the physical system.	6 Dec 2011
745	A strategic error in fixes for "containing a blow-out" is doing it to raise the pressure at which rupture will occur; band-aids for a bomb!	6 Dec 2011
744	"Fixers" assure us "it will never happen again", followed by ever bigger and bigger financial crises, nature's way of marking our exam.	6 Dec 2011
743	@Adbusters Oh gosh no. The "long night of the left" won't *never* end, as long at it's a static social philosophy not a discovery process.	6 Dec 2011
742	Lnkd.in/VVfeA6 Elenor, You mention Brazil as a success story. If you recall our own economy had a quite long run of "lifting all...	5 Dec 2011
741	lnkd.in/i-rQ73 Elad, I sympathize with your difficulty in understanding the physics, and what happens at the natural limits of...	5 Dec 2011
740	Lnkd.in/k9HfSu Well, but is the defensiveness of social networks that find themselves under attack "natural" or just a "symptom"....	5 Dec 2011
739	#FiatCurrency helps multiply unreal promises of wealth and earnings. Which #feedback loops do do that, and what rules would eliminate them?	5 Dec 2011
738	Looking for better promises of wealth, we are confused by procedures offering reliable #feedback for "promises just too good to be true".	5 Dec 2011
737	After centuries of financial panics, our fixes still rely on promises "too good to be true", causing greater panics. synapse9.com/signals/2011/1…	5 Dec 2011
736	We haven't pinned down why our accounts for wealth create illusory wealth, so our faith based procedures still let bad faith multiply.	5 Dec 2011
735	One reason we keep talking past each other, is mostly assuming our opinions are reality, since we determine reality from our opinions... ;-)	4 Dec 2011
734	Lnkd.in/pHQhEw I hope we don't drop the discussion of which particular financial procedures make stabilizing our financial system...	4 Dec 2011
733	Quite oddly most NON-INTELLECTUALS think using up depleting resources ever faster for prosperity is a **very bad plan**, but not "EXPERTS".	4 Dec 2011
732	Could it be "leading experts" all draw the world "inside out", the earth as an idea projected from their thought, and so deny all reality?	4 Dec 2011
731	Why is it even so rare for INTELLECTUALS go beyond just harping from private points of view, on the obvious singular calamity of our time?	4 Dec 2011
730	Why is SCIENCE (or the PRESS, or BUSINESS, or the PUBLIC) so SILENT ON EVER EXPANDING use of the earth changing how we can use it??	4 Dec 2011

729	That intellects draw reality as projected by their minds is made whole again, experiencing back and forth, mind as projected by nature too.	Dec 4 2011
728	#Intellectuals are nearly ALL fooled, really, by "slowing down the speeding up" having BOTH THE DIRECT AND REVERSE EFFECTS of "addition".	Dec 4 2011
727	Quite oddly most NON-INTELLECTUALS think using up depleting resources ever faster for prosperity is a **very bad plan**, but not "EXPERTS".	Dec 4  2011
726	Could it be "leading experts" all draw the world "inside out", the earth as an idea projected from their thought, and so deny all reality?	Dec 4  2011
725	Why is it even so rare for INTELLECTUALS go beyond just harping from private points of view, on the obvious singular calamity of our time?	Dec 4 2011
724	Why is SCIENCE (or the PRESS, or BUSINESS, or the PUBLIC) so SILENT ON EVER EXPANDING use of the earth changing how we can use it??	Dec 4 2011
723	So, if #FiatCurrency multiplies money and debt in all the wrong hands, which links on its #feedback loops do you hook up some where else?	Dec 3 2011
722	@CapInstitute Sounds like an interesting opportunity,... but Bluestockings, 172 Allen St. is a trek, far lower East Side..	Dec 3 2011
721	Simple reality is: MONEY = requests for delivering physical goods and services, and rules totally change as that goes from "SMALL" to "BIG".	Dec 4 2011
720	lnkd.in/GemwAy A simple, and seemingly valid, overview seems to be that money has real value only when it for corresponds to...	3 Dec 2011
719	lnkd.in/g_qi6V A simple, and seemingly valid, overview seems to be that money has real value only when it for corresponds to...	3 Dec 2011
718	The ANTIDOTE TO MADNESS is in realizing definitions are immaterial, and have value only THROUGH material chains that can't be defined.	2 Dec 2011
717	Odd thing about real cultural crises, terrible thing to waste but they drive people INTO madness not sober them up, much of the time.	2 Dec 2011
716	But, as you see.., "finance" is a "procedure", not a "person" so our fault is failing to question our own common purposes, NOT misbehaviors.	2 Dec 2011
715	That finance puts money into the cash economy ONLY to take more out, starts as stimulating and ends by draining our whole system of life.	2 Dec 2011
714	lnkd.in/eZ8756 Well, it used to be thought that a workforce needed to be mobile, so it was good for them to have an expensive...	2 Dec 2011
713	lnkd.in/P3GCbd That's the trick. Natural phenomena are indefinable, as you quickly find out when you study their detailed...	2 Dec 2011
712	lnkd.in/44Dsj6 Why? Doesn't financial capital go wherever it can get the best return, so everyone's pension funds then...	1 Dec 2011
711	lnkd.in/q3JCHJ I'm not sure, but it's not clear whether you are equating information with energy, and I certainly would find that...	1 Dec 2011
710	@SteadyStateEcon The people long predicting the crisis, though, mostly keep promoting popular social solutions that don't address the cause.	1 Dec 2011
709	lnkd.in/BiX6gB I think there is still a conspicuous "loose end" in asking where the distorted demand for real estate came from....	1 Dec 2011
708	lnkd.in/ravHEk The simpler way to say it is that "energy" refers to defined kind of information about a physical subject that...	30 Nov 2011
707	lnkd.in/ZmxZ54 As a physical scientist I think the beginning of science is the step *before* asking "why". That's to closely...	30 Nov 2011
706	To "create jobs" the best profit is in jobs like "high-technology" that very visibly cannibalize "mid-technology" jobs. No one notices.	30 Nov 2011
705	We know from Econ 101 that new jobs always displace old jobs, either for a net gain or a net loss, no politician studies or mentions!!	30 Nov 2011
704	lnkd.in/xE-cFz One needs to not forget for following the chains of effects with economies to "follow the money" as well as to...	30 Nov 2011
703	lnkd.in/aY3dxH I use the information rules of physics to help me ask better questions about individual events, like a forensic...	29 Nov 2011
702	lnkd.in/yV76-q Hmmm... most people complain that I'm much too specific, though the unfamiliar systems physics approach I use is...	29 Nov 2011
701	Why our limit of "low hanging fruit" is "falling off the ladder"...natural limits of reach in controlling the unknown.synapse9.com/signals/2011/1…	29 Nov 2011
700	lnkd.in/V7xjxi James, You're correct that the intent of the economy's design is "based on ideals of goodness" but it contains a...	29 Nov 2011
699	lnkd.in/uQyGwT Well, it's likely we are interpreting each other's words differently, and not understanding quite what they refer...	29 Nov 2011
698	lnkd.in/yuB6AV I think Yaneer would agree that whether the system meets everyone's needs or not is not a scientific question. His...	29 Nov 2011
697	@Ethical_Corp Why impacts grow faster than the restraint is that MOST ARE NATURALLY UNTRACEABLE. synapse9.com/SEAethicalcorp.com/governance-reg…	29 Nov 2011
696	@yesmagazine The universal trap at the end of "low hanging fruit" is "falling off the ladder", rising risk and reduced energy to respond.	29 Nov 2011
695	Endless fictions, making our stories "look good" and "feel good", while dodging the reality well shy of "being good", lead to dead ends.	28 Nov 2011
694	Then... why aren't drug consumers accessories to the crimes of the drug cartels, as "environmental impacts" of purchases, like any other?	28 Nov 2011
693	@STWR_ "Real world theory" comes from clear observation not social self-affirmation, as most"expert" and "dissenting theory" both come from.	28 Nov 2011
692	@STWR_ ??? But "economists from around the world" are the experts who made this mess!! We need people who see the world not only a theory.	28 Nov 2011
691	@ClimateReality @IEA_OECD Oddly..clean energy is NOT USED TO REPLACE fossil fuels, but to ADD TO AND ACCELERATE our alteration of the earth.	27 Nov 2011
690	@postgrowth We FAIL if we trust the #artismal to sustain complex, universities, information tools, society, etclexiconofsustainability.com	27 Nov 2011
689	@timepaystime @jfnoubel Finding your way is NOT finding your voice alone, both REQUIRE finding and exploring your PATH in nature.	27 Nov 2011
688	@OccupyWallSt @OccupyWallStNYC WE need to DO it, not just agree to complain... but to Prick the bubble or Bleed it???synapse9.com/signals/2011/1…	27 Nov 2011
687	@arcticfutures @TanjaHichert - but @TEEB, doesn't use SEA yet,for the shares of known but not traceable impacts.synapse9.com/SEA	26 Nov 2011
686	...then the other detail, taking efficiency to the extreme, everyone the world over pushed, in effect, to "make bricks without straw".	26 Nov 2011
685	Nature's new plagues on our house, terrorism and "everwar", exhausting the earth, financial and political chaos, degrading work and family.	26 Nov 2011
684	Societies consumed by plagues from their own greed, their positive #feedbacks pushed out of control, a historically common societal disease.	26 Nov 2011
683	Is the "Exodus" story about Egypt? It's the reverse moral tale of "Babel", a society consumed by plagues from its own greed, that escaped.	26 Nov 2011
682	#feedbacks What you *use money for* trumps where you get it. You get energy from the exchange economy, and then give it in the love economy.	26 Nov 2011
681	Problem #feedbacks for me, why my pointing out curiously useful gaps in our thinking seems mostly used to show people what to cover up.	26 Nov 2011
680	Money hides lots of #feedbacks, like why it can matter little where you get or spend your money, *if what you use it for adds up*.	26 Nov 2011
679	#NoThanksFor media, bloggers, commentators, politicians who filter out the obvious major questions that might cost them market share to ask.	26 Nov 2011
678	#NoThanksFor social networks that treat finding fault as all there is to simplifying a world, that somehow got MUCH too complex.	26 Nov 2011
677	#NoThanksFor social networks that just make up their own realities, like the fiction that we use efficiency for consuming less not more!	26 Nov 2011
676	#NoThanksFor experts, anchors, consultants, regulators, theorists, specialists all, with no theory working but something else is at fault.	26 Nov 2011
675	#NoThanksFor pension funds devoted to the "fiduciary" obligation to maximize returns and send our children's jobs overseas.	26 Nov 2011
674	#NoThanksFor a culture all tied up in it's made up realities, displaying no sense but "wrong direction"	26 Nov 2011
673	@TIME @bryanrwalsh But pepper spray *IS* a vegetable, it's only a matter of words. No need to check the facts against what's real.	25 Nov 2011
672	@InvasiveNotes Hmm.. guess that's like conserving the resources we know about, as if we weren't laying waste to the greater ones we don't.	25 Nov 2011
671	lnkd.in/uRhryZ I share Yaneer's view that the problem the "Occupy" movement points to is real and critical to respond to. It's...	23 Nov 2011
670	@postgrowth @adbusters So our society is going mad. With our solutions being the real problem scapegoating replaces the search for answers.	23 Nov 2011
669	@postgrowth @adbusters Our consumption keeps growing by the earnings from it being added to investments in it. That's the physical cause.	23 Nov 2011
668	@postgrowth @adbusters So your real total impacts on the earth are in scale with your *income*, regularly ~8000btu/$.synapse9.com/SEA	23 Nov 2011
667	@postgrowth @adbusters One misunderstanding in the idea of #buynothingday is that everyone spends their whole income anyway!!	23 Nov 2011
666	@Revkin @guardian @keithkloor Giving up on dealing with clear realities is another sign of madness in social networks.synapse9.com/signals/2011/1…	22 Nov 2011
665	@jonnypeace @keithkloor @postgrowth @everyone... I think we all need to find a good test for identifying mad societies.synapse9.com/signals/2011/1…	22 Nov 2011
664	@postgrowth Why is reality so anti-social? You're clearly selling false worlds if it's about floods of limitless opportunity.	22 Nov 2011
663	lnkd.in/gxyKap Well, yes of course. That's why I termed my first paper on the subject "The Infinite Society, growth induced...	20 Nov 2011
662	@Revkin @wordle @realclimate - A nice display of the words used, but the SUBTEXT of making the world safe for endless growth is the killer.	20 Nov 2011
661	@Ethical_Corp "Sustainable supply chains" is "sustaining growth", so addressing visible impacts as you multiply the much larger hidden ones.	20 Nov 2011
660	@postgrowth Brock is glib with pop social theory. Real self regulating economies just STOP growing as they get BIG.synapse9.com/issues/EarthBu…	20 Nov 2011
659	@Revkin @wordle @realclimate Preventing climate change will still accelerate the economic destruction of the earth, though. Wazzup??	20 Nov 2011
658	The problem with productivity is the profits drive the appetites ahead of the needs.., so people take on ever greater risks to stand still.	20 Nov 2011
657	Small things that get big just have to stop. Doesn't all the magical thinking of the magical thinkers arguing with that just waste time??	20 Nov 2011
656	We may have infinite concepts of each other and the earth, but our talents and the earth remain finite, don't they?	20 Nov 2011
655	@prabhupingali But what's the answer for increasing global demand on resources already being over-depleted. Who do you take them from?	20 Nov 2011
654	@Ethical_Corp Re: 'Tobin tax', in case not clear, "NOT taxing trades but divesting some gains", sends same money to the people not the gov.	19 Nov 2011
653	@Ethical_Corp The 'Tobin tax' seems brilliantly idiotic. The sure and steady way is NOT taxing trades but to require divesting some gains.	19 Nov 2011
652	lnkd.in/7g9qcs I agree that a "whole systems" view is more likely to give useful results, but sometimes one has to spend a good...	19 Nov 2011
651	In physical reality... as an end to growth, the principle of investment reverses, and THEN "the best is yet to come".synapse9.com/issues/NatDevl…	19 Nov 2011
650	I've been studying the interaction for 40 years. The social networks won't explore nature's new rules, just new excuses to fit the old ones.	19 Nov 2011
649	So...basically, we're completely screwed. No eyes, no brain, dreamed up solutions making it worse. Need some sort of "hail Mary pass"...	19 Nov 2011
648	Nature changed reality as we went from small to big. Social networks started creating ones of their own, excluding the explorers of nature.	19 Nov 2011
647	Why we got socially correct policy to be "anti-physical" and physically correct policy to be "anti-social" is your first advanced homework.	19 Nov 2011
646	Sustainability is feel good policy, easy to check for that, but promotes growth so backfires for conserving the earth, disastrously.	18 Nov 2011
645	Social policy relabeled "sustainability", gave us a certain method of speeding up economic energy use to slow it down.synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl…	18 Nov 2011
644	Part of the dilemma is our sustainability science policy coming from social activists, who are unaware of how the physical world works.	18 Nov 2011
643	The disaster is that virtually all the physically correct solutions to our "wicked problem" are anti-social. We are NOT learning as we go.	18 Nov 2011
642	@BillGates ALL the popular renewable energy solutions are designed make our energy crisis worse, dependency on multiplying energy use.	18 Nov 2011
641	When nature's rules change social rules don't, so social policy isn't physically correct, and correct physical policy is anti-social. Crash!	18 Nov 2011
640	The conversation is missing that the rules change as you go from small to big. That's what all would agree, IF we were learning as we go.	18 Nov 2011
639	Just take me as an explorer, a source of rather good questions to take to heart. We need fresh insight. Our social values are misleading us.	18 Nov 2011
638	@Ethical_Corp - A big hole in the conservation strategy is pointed out by new research... growing hidden impacts!ethicalcorp.com/communications…	18 Nov 2011
637	lnkd.in/wpnG45 Yes, complex systems are learning networks, but when their learning is hampered, the question posed is "what are...	18 Nov 2011
636	#Occopy needs to tap the brains knowing the procedures to change to turn a runaway growth system off. Every cell relies on the whole body.	18 Nov 2011
635	What's so foolish about #Occupy is that global financial systems respond to social pressure no more than to new colors on their computers.	18 Nov 2011
634	To alter our fate put gifts to good use. Divesting profits removes the cause of extreme inequality and fatally growing strain on the earth.	18 Nov 2011
633	Without explorers social networks are dead in the water, prone to be thrown by waves of change, like those from **OUR BIG SPLASH** on earth.	17 Nov 2011
632	Because all social networks make up their own mental realities, only their explorers keep them barely aware of the world outside.	17 Nov 2011
631	What I'm actually looking for is other people curious to look where they're not sure what they'll find, real explorers of the world.	17 Nov 2011
630	What I'm actually looking for is NOT an impossibly complex society for impossibly simple people, who can see nothing but their own beliefs.	17 Nov 2011
629	Why look for the problems your solutions cause?? It's so unpopular to do so, and treated with such visceral disdain, it does seem perverse.	17 Nov 2011
628	So sadly predictable over thousands of years, productive societies great with the first task, just don't see the next one coming.	17 Nov 2011
627	Great societies meet problems they can't solve if "productivity" is only for the problems they start with, not the ones they'll run into.	17 Nov 2011
626	Historians will look back and see, we kept trying solutions making our problems ever worse, caught asking the wrong question to the end.	17 Nov 2011
625	The problem with our brains is expecting all that matters to fit inside, when BIG parts of nature can only be sensed by looking outside.	17 Nov 2011
624	As we change the earth we want core values to steer us right. But the problem now is trusted beliefs we can't check, steering us all wrong,	16 Nov 2011
623	Rules aren't what makes life fun, but we keep needing more and more, multiplying with money. No fun	16 Nov 2011
622	@postgrowth Post growth fails to be sustainable, you know, for a society that continues to rely on multiplying money. You GOTTA fix that.	16 Nov 2011
621	It’s often not obvious how to “get smart” when your society’s been so dumb.	16 Nov 2011
620	#Occupy The great thoughts in our minds do feel infinite. Is that what leaves Wall Street too proud or confused to admit the earth isn't?	16 Nov 2011
619	#Occupy Should get smart! Rising costs of being fooled by money, like efficiency to make exploitation more profitable.synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl…	16 Nov 2011
618	@Storify War in Vietnam stopped due to rising costs, protests pointed out. Now #Occupy exposes rising cost of money pillaging the earth.	16 Nov 2011
617	Mad as hatters on earth, our way of preventing climate change for profit, to maximize growth rate of energy use and the impacts of our uses.	15 Nov 2011
616	The problems of "ever more" just get "ever worse", is what anyone sees joining nature's "social group", a very tough sell for our society's.	15 Nov 2011
615	How DO we respond to growing up with false purposes, the false ideal of "ever more" and the quick fixes for its ever exploding problems??	15 Nov 2011
614	@freakonomics There's TREMENDOUS value found in "worthless" study of your own purposes, to see if achieving them makes your problems worse.	15 Nov 2011
613	Looking around without your usual assumptions, a break from boredom, a refreshing escape, a critical service to your network.	14 Nov 2011
612	People seem to agree the fatal flaws in how we're fixing things are real, but then go where that won't be pointed out rather than help.	14 Nov 2011
611	@BBCRBlack For guiding "expert-ism's" of ALL kinds, the cure isn't a science of what rules to follow but for seeing what rules are changing.	14 Nov 2011
610	@BBCRBlack "Climate scepticism" has more in common with all "ism's", reconstructing reality to suite a social network, and its own nature.	14 Nov 2011
609	So it ends up being not a science of what rules nature is following, but one of discovering what ones she's changing...	14 Nov 2011
608	What an honest person of computer then finds is, "Gee, what causes change in nature and in our stories are *completely* different!!"	14 Nov 2011
607	Nature uses growth to build things, so growth curves make smart people or computers ask "what's building", to then try to look and see.	14 Nov 2011
606	It's just more evidence that the world either doesn't now or never worked the way the experts think, leaving people to just scramble.	13 Nov 2011
605	The problem with debt is the experts keep selling us bets that just don't pan out, taking their profit without sharing in the risks at all.	13 Nov 2011
604	That renewables don't displace, but add to, fossil fuels is a sad fact of how efficiency just multiplies demand.synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl…	12 Nov 2011
603	Not understanding the problem, 4 decades of growing alternative fuel use has left our growing rate of fossil fuel use the same!	12 Nov 2011
602	@Revkin No risk.. but the big one, that feeding a growth system new energy accelerates its expansion, total energy use, and total impacts.	12 Nov 2011
601	@Adbusters well... to be a revolution #Occupy mainly needs to find what changes whole envionmental systems not in anyone's control, insight.	10 Nov 2011
600	#NOVA Being unable to distinguish local physical processes from global statistical rules.. seems actually why we can't understanding change.	10 Nov 2011
599	#NOVA - A dual reality does it, natural behavior of local physical processes contrasted with the natural description of it with statistics.	10 Nov 2011
598	#NOVA But what then explains the bursts of original organizational growth readily seen at every scale of behavior? Have an elegant answer?	10 Nov 2011
597	@MarkH603 @markmykleby @revkin @makower @slim_lim ..Oh gosh, Slaughter's "strategic narrative" still has everyone multiplying everything!!	9 Nov 2011
596	@blietaer but nature has a way to fool the fool, make him spend his due, and balance the books short of infinity. No name as yet ¸¸¸.•´ ¯	9 Nov 2011
595	#NOVA ... one wonders what planet they think they live on, one that always follows their rules?? Or one just letting them make up their own?	9 Nov 2011
594	#NOVA ... but really, would the originator of statistical physics bother with objecting to uncertainty?? Or is that more likely a revision?	9 Nov 2011
593	#NOVA ...but then if ALL of nature and the whole of the universe too were in our heads, our predictions would actually BE it's causation!	9 Nov 2011
592	#NOVA hmmm... Was he perhaps complaining about the common presumption that our predictions are the source of causation in nature???	9 Nov 2011
591	#NOVA Hey, Einstein really did think the then new philosophy of theoretical physics was bunk, a dream, and no one knows quite what he meant.	9 Nov 2011
590	#NOVA What madness have we on TV, a universe of theory that conflicts with every sense? Must be the mad scientists saving us yet again.	9 Nov 2011
589	@aleksj @ungrok What inspired my study of nature's multi-scale designs was the eventfulness of real systems so missing from our theories.	9 Nov 2011
588	@storyofstuff ...then the Story of Broke - Part II (the end of broke), the True Whole Story of Debt! synapse9.com/signals/2011/1…	9 Nov 2011
587	@NRDC Saving the climate, forests, our health, etc... divert us from solving the problem, an economy built for ever multiplying demand.	8 Nov 2011
586	For the sovereign debt bubble the REAL cure is to mark it all down globally and stop the endless re-lending of the earnings that pumps it.	8 Nov 2011
585	Tricks of many kinds can add delays, but the REAL way to keep financial bubbles from bursting is to let out some air and turn off the pump.	8 Nov 2011
584	@jimmy_wales - Nature loves super efficient designs that people scoff at, like funding the web with subscribtions to every page at $.25/hr.	7 Nov 2011
583	I think responding as if the reality mattered probably seems it might make us look stupid, but actually would make us rightly proud.	7 Nov 2011
582	June 2011, PNAS, Recent ecological responses to climate change support predictions of high extinction risk. pnas.org/content/early/…	7 Nov 2011
581	If impact reduction for a century, to 1900 levels, greatly cut the likely extinction of 1 in 8 species, would we feel proud or look stupid?	7 Nov 2011
580	@Revkin In the list of sources of ever growing resource demand, is there any one that can continue without leaving the earth impoverished??	7 Nov 2011
579	@Revkin Andy, your links are great, but on impacts and resource supply. Aren't those problems caused by our still ever growing demand??	7 Nov 2011
578	@aleksj ...and I gather meritocracy and aristocracy still dominate because generous curiosity is harder to explain??	7 Nov 2011
577	In a way we're largely done with the conquering phase, needing to catch up on the home making phase, more making things whole than plunder.	7 Nov 2011
576	Trying not to break social codes as their teachings fail, is a plausible reason for why most civilizations collapsed faster than they grew.	7 Nov 2011
575	Facing why our ideals lead us to destroy our planet is risky, seeing the addiction of those we trust to lying about life and death matters.	7 Nov 2011
574	The oldest rule of science is to find questions that have answers you can check, to keep building on by checking them in new situations.	6 Nov 2011
573	Such clear confusion about reality, by our entire world expert community, demands strong reactions and clearer views, but where are they?	6 Nov 2011
572	Economists see no connection between money and reality as equations have no people in them... and it's PEOPLE who connect money to reality.	6 Nov 2011
571	There's an even BIGGER change in the thought process that comes when you recognize that the active parts of ecosyste...bit.ly/sMWTOk	6 Nov 2011
570	We unsuspectingly benefit in New York, from the spoils of all the stolen fortunes that come, as a game to some, life or death to others.	5 Nov 2011
569	Why endless growth is needed to have steady employment and income is mostly for ever growing pay for people piling up money to never spend.	4 Nov 2011
568	Thinking nature works by how we think, of course, is also an impoverished view, keeping the real magic of life and our world hidden from us.	4 Nov 2011
567	So we don't notice that money piling up as savings while earnings painfully shrink, is a "simple" matter of the money saved not being spent.	4 Nov 2011
566	Mixing up consciousness, "what we see", with the world, "what we look at", makes natural events seem to work by our own social values.	4 Nov 2011
565	@postgrowth @theneweconomics @mlhynes - Be angry with those who aren't! Our crime is improving life to the point of destroying the earth.	3 Nov 2011
564	Where do you see it?? It's in "the American dream" being "more", kept unassailably pure by ignoring all the quite obvious consequences.	3 Nov 2011
563	Odd... that we took "improving life" within a hair of destroying our future on earth, blind trust in our great ideals clearly betraying us.	2 Nov 2011
562	@b0yle But isn't there still some SMALL chance that there is a real world, the reality we look at as opposed to the one we see in our heads?	2 Nov 2011
561	So.. if our cultural leaders are misled by mistaken ideals, why? ..do they think reality is determined in their thoughts, not the reverse??	2 Nov 2011
560	Of ALL my marvelous creations, what it the world made me think it would be fun to create a species to become the ultimate global mess???	1 Nov 2011
559	Listen carefully to those pointing to deep problems with our common beliefs, and ignore those saying the problem is cheaters and tricksters.	1 Nov 2011
558	It does indeed make a big difference in the meaning, that you read my word "reorganize" as "recognize"!! ok-) I ... bit.ly/rPQFva	1 Nov 2011
557	Still.., it can be risky and painful to question popular social ideals, even if it's evidently necessary for our own survival as a society.	1 Nov 2011
556	The thriving economies of nature we admire, though, start with multiplying but change ideals, instead of continuing it till they collapse.	1 Nov 2011
555	Well.. the problem would HAVE to be the mistaken ideals of those we admire and respect, their popular social images of a very false reality.	1 Nov 2011
554	If government, science, finance and business are all teamed up to help us plant economic seeds to multiply more to a tragic end, why?	1 Nov 2011
553	@nprguyraz You ask why the loss of trust??? How about a society running short on resources that defines prosperity as accelerating it?!	30 Oct 2011
552	@kmett @aleksj Can't getting lost in layers of spaghetti code be a sign of adding epicycles of solutions to an always ill-defined problem?	30 Oct 2011
551	@Bill_Gross @Storify #startup The big common error in start-up's is not looking where they end up, thriving in an world designed to crash.	30 Oct 2011
550	Among the huge mental errors that got us here is that "finding resources" doesn't expand them at all, just expands their rate of depletion.	30 Oct 2011
549	The heart of our problem unexplored...? An economy teaching us to specialize in using up its resources as fast as possible, just for fun!	30 Oct 2011
548	Teaching solutions keeps students from exploring the problems, hiding why and how to take the lead, to pursue blind specialization instead.	30 Oct 2011
547	But an economy that adds by %'s, to give money ever bigger raises every day, gives us bigger raises of complexity and conflicts daily too.	29 Oct 2011
546	Oddly hidden, why using money to make money keeps adding by %'s, giving out ever bigger raises on every month, not realistic, just the math!	28 Oct 2011
545	@danlatorre @Storify ... but how do you tell mosaic's aren't swarms of lemmings racing for the sea? It's what the math says we're doing...	28 Oct 2011
544	The goal of "more" only ends in a mess, unless on the way you discover your objective, and converge on some design to make perfect.	28 Oct 2011
543	What "S" curve of growth systems (¸¸¸¸.•´ ¯) show is things building from scratch by a path of discovery, ending in purposes and objectives.	28 Oct 2011
542	@Revkin - The cartoon tmblr.co/ZtU9QyBCjuwS is about our quest for "ever more" having no objective, even after adding "and try to be nice".	28 Oct 2011
541	The central problem remains... as something that virtually everyone accepts as inevitable and unquestionable, common and good, a mistake.	27 Oct 2011
540	Is "Anti-TARP" the better bailout for averting the next collapse, print money as past due wages for shrinking the debt?synapse9.com/issues/reset$.…	27 Oct 2011
539	@Revkin One reason "best laid plans for CO2 cuts not nearly enough" is the demands for outsourced energy use uncounted!synapse9.com/SEA	27 Oct 2011
538	*Solve simple things first...* The root of wealth inequality is earning by $units is linear and by $%'s is exponential!synapse9.com/signals/2011/1…	27 Oct 2011
537	@postgrowth Dick Smith rather misses why growth failed as a model, compound expansion once served everyone, then we collided with the earth.	26 Oct 2011
536	Confusing but QUITE clear, financial collapses are all caused by our taking ever bigger steps till we fall on our face, not by tripping.	24 Oct 2011
535	Confusing but QUITE clear, the next financial collapse will also be for trying to continue financial growth, not the mistakes to be made.	24 Oct 2011
534	Confusing but QUITE clear, the financial collapse was caused by trying to stabilize endless financial growth, not the mistakes it exposed.	24 Oct 2011
533	RE: @CapInstitute I offered them a workshop proposal called "How systems change form in nature… shows the way to change the economy disq.us/3wu5oy	24 Oct 2011
532	When thinking of social networks as becoming artificial realities full of nonsense, joke about ones you don't like before your own.	24 Oct 2011
531	@TEEB4ME OK, but in reality... P x A x T does *NOT* = I (since 'T' is a quite reliable multiplier of both 'P' & 'A'. synapse9.com	24 Oct 2011
530	Another way to recycle plastics is to make packaging like transformer toys, except to turn into versatile products!	24 Oct 2011
529	@davos Storify collection of Tweets on WEF wef.ch/H9uP All stimulus and no sustainability for population, economy or earth.	24 Oct 2011
528	Taking a mortgage in a stable world, if bank investors hold their profits for more lending, debts grow and spending to make incomes shrinks!	24 Oct 2011
527	Another is, how social networks form cells of self-serving media, internalized story worlds serving more and more as separate realities.	23 Oct 2011
526	Another item getting overlooked, is how plans for preventing climate change need financing from ever expanding consumer and investor greed!	23 Oct 2011
525	@edyong209 @kzelnio The real main reason biology came into question is viral cells of social media, the information age as disease not cure.	23 Oct 2011
524	Something, something... about what we're all doing in response to what's happening around us, seems incredibly unobservant.	23 Oct 2011
523	Meanwhile... back at the planet, (fill in characters and actions you see)	23 Oct 2011
522	A real Christmas gift would be to have the Boomers, Corps and Rich all spending down their cash, to relieve the earth of debts and greed.	23 Oct 2011
521	#OCCUPYWALLSTREET @addbusters Ask how "organized by greed" becomes "by needs", if boomers and rich to spend their Wall Street profits.	22 Oct 2011
520	Oct. 22 Updates on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET by @adbusters(featuring @OccupyChicago, @AACina, @MikeElk)adbusters.org/campaigns/occu… via @storify	22 Oct 2011
519	Still, as Keynes clearly said and the Scrooge found out, there's no fun at all in taking your society to the bitter end by hording money.	22 Oct 2011
518	What catches us off guard is everything in nature also begins with greed, but switches to generosity when it finds itself, and we haven't.	22 Oct 2011
517	What makes it greed is like a Ponzi scheme, reliable winnings you can keep adding to your bets, as everyone expects to get from Wall Street!	22 Oct 2011
516	What would change society from being organized around greed to human needs is for both the boomers and the rich to spend down their assets.	22 Oct 2011
515	Is that the way Steve Jobs would solve things, a perfectionist like nature herself? Would real solutions to growth give it a perfect end?	22 Oct 2011
514	We get caught in using stop gap solutions, as if just milking the problem while making it worse, like using efficiency to reduce demand.	22 Oct 2011
513	That human societies keep developing beyond their own safe limits, drowning in their own complexity, doesn't mean they have to.	22 Oct 2011
512	Nature is full of examples of things that push the limits of their design, but stay safely back from going over them too, "S" curve growth.	22 Oct 2011
511	But still, why are we accepting a formula for prosperity requiring ever growing speed and complexity of change and depletion of resources?	21 Oct 2011
510	And... so navigating a moving landscape with a map that's not allowed to change... led to crash after crash after crash after crash...	21 Oct 2011
509	So... the flowing rules of the environment like growth, the purpose for enforcing the fixed rules of money, were simply never studied.	21 Oct 2011
508	It seems... concentrated money comes from enforcing fixed rules, and so science was only paid to study the fixed rules of nature.	21 Oct 2011
507	Our cultures persistently don't notice that the rules of nature change as you change your own environment.	21 Oct 2011
506	The rules of an environment flow like a good story, but for thousands of years authoritarian man built cultures for fixed rules instead.	21 Oct 2011
505	Sadly, not just selfish things will grow to overwhelm the economy. Healthcare also expands health needs to use all the resource available.	21 Oct 2011
504	The problem isn't people really, but our cultures being unable to adapt to the change in the earth, our knowledge not flowing with nature.	21 Oct 2011
503	It's all about learning to observe, where productivity ends and greed begins, taking nature for the fool she ain't.synapse9.com/drafts/Jessie'…	20 Oct 2011
502	Good example in NY Times today, people who sold gas drilling leases can't get mortgages when banks see the haz waste liability as a cost.	20 Oct 2011
501	Better way to balance the budget, stop discounting the environmental liabilities we can measure & tax those profiting not public credit card	20 Oct 2011
500	We babble, don't we. If we spend ~$4 a gallon for gas, how much is the cost for our kids? ...having to rebuild a failed society from nothing	19 Oct 2011
499	@tweetingdonal @Revkin #pace - Our running out of money for stop gap measures is nature's clear hint, we better solve the real problem!	18 Oct 2011
498	@Revkin ... But "the hard choices" are often really the easier ones in the end, actually solving things instead of just putting it off.	18 Oct 2011
497	To end wealth inequity, so wealth reflects the value of work, earnings in $%'s are spent making $unit incomes for work by the piece or hour.	17 Oct 2011
496	To be precise, wealth inequality grows when some people earn by $%'s and other people earn in $units, it's exponential versus linear income.	17 Oct 2011
495	@storyofstuff @bgreedngrowth @PaulHassing - Might check out@ ... straight to stuff beyond the story, what nature needs from us	17 Oct 2011
494	Curious that Keynes really said to stop adding capital returns to capital so growing greed doesn't outpace the economy.synapse9.com/signals	16 Oct 2011
493	Interesting that science has no way to define "large" or "small", arguably one's most relationship with their environment.	16 Oct 2011
492	@stuarthorrex To say "cheapest is the best environmentally" sounds like the science behind "impacts = incomes" fromsynapse9.com/SEA.	16 Oct 2011
491	lnkd.in/a87885 I was hoping to point to the multiple kinds of complexity. I think some are matters of degree and others matters...	14 Oct 2011
490	@CapInstitute Gar Alperowitz complains of reformers, just like him, who propose cures without asking if they'll cause the same disease.	11 Oct 2011
489	Well, which is a better source of fresh cultural thinking, doubting your assumptions or affirming your aspirations?synapse9.com/signals	11 Oct 2011
488	lnkd.in/eXxVKm I posted this a couple days ago, thought it likely to be quite helpful, so reposting today with an edit. There's...	11 Oct 2011
487	Experts see a static world in their minds following the events of the past. The real world is seen building crises by accumulating steps.	10 Oct 2011
486	Fiduciary money managers plant money as seed to multiply seed till it bursts the economic environment because their clients (we) ask them to	9 Oct 2011
485	No farmer would be that dumb, of course, but for some strange reason fiduciary money managers always are.	9 Oct 2011
484	@aleksj And also just like money, even in the summer any crop can become a total loss by overplanting	9 Oct 2011
483	...not that it isn't also quite difficult for us to connect words with both objects of nature and of thought and not get them very confused.	9 Oct 2011
482	Look, what seems missing is any strong interest in why the experts have so miscalculated our self-interests #paceblogsynapse9.com/signals	9 Oct 2011
481	In nature, growth systems **with a survival instinct** change from investing profits to grow their conflicts to spending on minimizing them.	9 Oct 2011
480	Not the least difficulty with money, is how our minds give us a world made of just our social relationships, quite leaving nature out...!	9 Oct 2011
479	Social movements do well with social conflicts. But the money problem is a conflict within our own ideas of nature, and a less easy target.	9 Oct 2011
478	@OccupyWallSt If your cabinets are the wrong color and too small, you still need carpentry plans, tools and supplies to change the system.	8 Oct 2011
477	@OccupyWallSt @TeaParty .. The 1 + 2 + 3 argument = to more jobs and less debt, is spending from the excesses of concentrated profits.	7 Oct 2011
476	If the problem is bigness getting bigger, taking over the earth and our lives, closely study what additions cause it. @OccupyWallSt	7 Oct 2011
475	@OccupyWallSt What social networks can do that experts often can't is notice the new questions going around and ask them loud and clear.	7 Oct 2011
474	@OccupyWallSt Of all the essential ingredients, what social networks have the most trouble finding is fresh insight...synapse9.com/signals/	7 Oct 2011
473	@johnmsmart Yea, OK, but that won't work either if the only "stable state" of our economy has ever multiplying demand.	7 Oct 2011
472	@OccupyWallSt Good bets do thrive at first, adding your winnings to them again and again, but destroys your whole environment to continue.	7 Oct 2011
471	@OccupyWallSt wants to "change the culture" unaware how that comes from our "not changing the procedure", that of *adding winnings to bets*.	7 Oct 2011
470	Jobs said "aim higher". Are we being defeating by compromise? Growing impacts can be stopped only for the WHOLE, with NO parts left out.	7 Oct 2011
469	Steve Jobs wanted people to know their own vision, and the difference between vision and what there is to build with too, to make it real.	6 Oct 2011
468	That's what I described as a natural limit due to growth creating confusion, in the 1979 essay "The Infinite Society".synapse9.com/phpub.htm	5 Oct 2011
467	Another structure changing our world is everyone trying to be efficient by doing everything in a hurry, making plans into scrambled eggs!	5 Oct 2011
466	...but confounding the WHOLE effort is our inability to get plans for our working categories to correspond to nature's working things,	5 Oct 2011
465	Since if we don't stop growing in scale we'll keep dismembering our environments and families for parts to maximize their service to money.	5 Oct 2011
464	and, spending from saved unearned income is what's needed, *nature's way*, to stop using the economy's profits for multiplying its scale.	5 Oct 2011
463	The difference is between how nature works, with ever changing relationships, and our running the world with formulas for fixing them.	5 Oct 2011
462	@STWR_ #occupywallstreet The RIGHT goal changes the system. Not taxing the rich, but their spending enough accumulated unearned income.	4 Oct 2011
461	Do think of nature less as categories connected by our views and feelings, more as organizations emerging within webs of building prosesses.	3 Oct 2011
460	... "planting to care for offspring", harvesting from investment to feed others not just multiply more investment... is real sustainability.	2 Oct 2011
459	...and natural for men to feel more undirected as planting seed to multiply seed comes to an end, and planting to care for offspring begins.	2 Oct 2011
458	The root confusion, of course, finding answers reflecting ourselves as what's real, just ignoring the life around us raising new questions.	2 Oct 2011
457	Our choice to become lost in self-entertainments and technology, at our time to turn and find our place on earth, irony for synergy later.	2 Oct 2011
456	Or simply, growth *always* makes trusted ways of the past impossible in the future, including growth, so living in the past comes to an end.	1 Oct 2011
455	@HarvardBiz #CSR Shouldn't long term maintenance of the business environment show as a anticipated costs on current business balance sheets?	1 Oct 2011
454	@csrexecs #CSR is also the tool to help companies understand why nature forces whole growth systems to think of something else to do.	1 Oct 2011
453	@ryanschuchard #CSR supply chain carbon is tricky, exposing major environmental accounting error in ISO 14000 std's...synapse9.com/SEA	1 Oct 2011
452	So... the whole design of economies, for endless growth to start, makes them naturally impossible and needing reinvention as something else.	1 Oct 2011
451	Mother nature's game is to give things one game only to throw them off it, just to see what they do. Odd indeed, but immensely creative.	1 Oct 2011
450	It's just nature's "zany" way of thinking, to start things with impossible dreams of infinity, to watch how they scramble for alternatives.	1 Oct 2011
449	What's always unexpected is how growth is designed to make itself impossible... cooking an environment for the evolution of something else.	1 Oct 2011

448	...and then also that every new situation would seem to require 'downloading' new software from someplace...	12:27 PM  30 Sep 2011
447	Maybe the problem with determinism is the needed rules for the software having to be much more complex than the hardware.	12:00 PM  30 Sep 2011
446	@aleksj -Related to fall off in use of words "growth" and "complex"? See Google ngram.	11:46 AM  30 Sep 2011
445	So science can't have determined all causes are external, if internal causes occur but information on how is naturally hidden from our view.	8:34 AM  30 Sep 2011
444	You see organisms, storms, cultures, technologies, movements, etc, animated by bursts of change internally, for no apparent outside cause.	8:34 AM  30 Sep 2011
443	An important observation is how clearly the way nature organizes things remains hidden inside the things she organizes, out of our view.	8:33 AM  30 Sep 2011
442	@STWR_ Sure, speculation can drive up prices... but the actionable cause is they only can when demand exceeds supply.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves…	3:32 PM  29 Sep 2011
441	@Revkin - Brooks' blames our "inability to think about the economy in a realistic way"...the irony is EVERYONE else is saying that too!! ;-)	3:27 PM  29 Sep 2011
440	@politifact What's the truth to the endlessly repeated claim that how we've changed the earth only expands our potential for more growth?	29 Sep 2011
439	... it's our social belief and value systems that substitute for nature, when based on the social responses we get not curiosity and reason.	29 Sep 2011
438	Is it natural for people to say nature works so differently than it does? Yes, quite. It's more effort to base ideas on what you observe.	29 Sep 2011
437	That systems in nature work that way, bursting in scale from a seed, to survive only by stopping, can't have been studied by our ancestors.	6:50 PM 28 Sep 2011
436	So, at the end of the run for "Be fruitful and multiply." the practice that was so fruitful becomes completely unmanageable, unless stopped.	6:28 PM  28 Sep 2011
435	So it's really investors (us) that demand to have regulators, banks, science & markets multiply our investments till becoming unmanageable.	28 Sep 2011
434	The joke is that why democracies are failing is the same reason dictatorships are too, ever growing solutions that create hopeless problems.	28 Sep 2011
433	So the real reason democracy is failing is that finance multiplied solutions into completely unmanageable problems.	28 Sep 2011
432	Planting your seed to keep multiplying your seed, the way finance works, brings exceptional bounty sure to end in exceptional tragedy.	28 Sep 2011
431	The real fault isn't with regulators or banks, but 'mad' investors demanding a stability for ever multiplying returns that won't go bankrupt.	27 Sep 2011
430	It's not the buildings that sustained us before making us unsustainable now. It's our scale, and money driving it to increase ever faster.	26 Sep 2011
429	That's the escape, from seeing our cultures as reality and keeping the old rules as we changed the earth, bring in new meaning from outside.	26 Sep 2011
428	So.. it really is NOT a problem of fulfilling our high cultural values, but looking outside our cultures for guidance on new higher values.	26 Sep 2011
427	Our cultures and theories for growth formed when we were tiny and the earth seemed infinite, now the earth's reality reversed but not ours.	26 Sep 2011
426	Very curious denial, of clearly shrinking resources and growing world demand, fiduciaries all agree our best interest is in rapid growth.	25 Sep 2011
425	Is the problem of investors today getting returns on the seeds they plant, to then plant more, or managing the explosions of consequences?	25 Sep 2011
424	... and in the news, little but bombs, disasters and crises, while the explosions of new relationships in nature and culture go ignored.	25 Sep 2011
423	...instead, having missed the turn we're still planting our seed to multiply our seeds till our entire crop wilts, ...the bitter end again.	25 Sep 2011
422	Like, if finding a way to comfortably end growth was in the 1910 plan for our national parks, the good turning point would have been ~1950.	24 Sep 2011
421	Going till you get to the end of the road often means you missed your turn...	24 Sep 2011
420	@Revkin Causality at stake?? If you read science as saying nature follows our formulas, caisality never even had a place, only prediction.	23 Sep 2011
419	Asking "If prediction isn't causation, what is??" can be a VERY good question, giving much more useful answers, like choices along the way.	23 Sep 2011
418	As economies require profit for resilience or growth, warriors would see an endless use for growth as preparing for the wars it leads to.	23 Sep 2011
417	The Bible displays our most ancient of recorded world views, authoritarian in its foundation, no hint of life as an ecology of partnerships.	23 Sep 2011
416	Our authoritarian approach to life could come from "be fruitful and multiply" naturally causing mortal environmental conflict at its limit.	23 Sep 2011
415	It's the obvious connection between money and nature, that we use money to request service from people using nature, still being overlooked.	22 Sep 2011
414	Yes, it also means that what you put in the plastic bag would typically have over 1000 times the impact as the plastic of the bag.	22 Sep 2011
413	e.g. As SEA proves energy use largely comes from human services, not technology, our plans need total rethinking. synapse9.com/SEA	22 Sep 2011
412	So, prospering by using up life's necessities ever faster is "OK", if as it seems, it doesn't alter your social relationships.	21 Sep 2011
411	So, why would dramatic and easily confirmed facts get no response? In our culture the physical world, by itself, has no social meaning.	21 Sep 2011
410	So, if we use money to measure "externalities", i.e. providing physical goods and services, what then is the limit of adding money by %'s ??	21 Sep 2011
409	The choice is to find how the images in our minds are unlike the world we live in, telling concepts and theories from partnerships in life.	21 Sep 2011
408	Using profits to multiply demand till the system collapses... is optional.	21 Sep 2011
407	Honoring the ever growing demands of money pushes life to madness, only repeating our ancient fall from grace. It's a total waste of time.	21 Sep 2011
406	Pushing growing demand till your world collapses is a betrayal of one's maker, one's ancestors, ones own whole history of creative struggle.	21 Sep 2011
405	The curious problem with pushing financial demands to the collapse of a finance system, again and again, is it serves nothing but madness.	21 Sep 2011
404	Most struggle to find concepts for how nature works eventful things so simply, and scientists to find anything eventful in their concepts.	20 Sep 2011
403	...but why doesn't it get discussed that the need to deliver growing returns from shrinking recourses blocks every real solution??	20 Sep 2011
402	Systems that end in crises get there by having a pump of growing demands in the loop, and are relieved by turning it down or off.	20 Sep 2011
401	With all these mounting crises one would think people would take an interest in what systems naturally end in crisis and their relief.	20 Sep 2011
400	@Revkin @grist There is also large collateral damage from people still not discussing of individual emerging systems that make life lively.	20 Sep 2011
399	So, that would mean "Question your knowledge" isn't enough, and needs to start with "Question your culture".	19 Sep 2011
398	So, it might seem our culture is based on our knowledge, but looking around, only the reverse would put us in such strange deep trouble.	19 Sep 2011
397	@@Revkin ... So that's confirming with a reasonable cause the decade scale cycle I said would lead to this wave of denialism, ~20 years ago.	19 Sep 2011
396	So yes, it seems something surely needs to be cut, but can we tell which of natures parts is our umbilical cord and which is our throat?	19 Sep 2011
395	Because forming a circle of relationships is the first definite step if new identity, a structure required for and capable of growth.	19 Sep 2011
394	It's the circles of relationships in nature you watch for, by how they show their own connected behaviors, forming whole individual systems.	19 Sep 2011
393	Ever growing expectations are unreal, that's all. It makes being faithful to them the problem, not the solution.	19 Sep 2011
392	The brains in finance are just dropping the ball, not even studying what causes their expectation to inflate and assure cascading collapse.	19 Sep 2011
391	People think Keynes was an total optimist, willing to bet on it. Actually he faced the darkness, and saw through it. synapse9.com/signals/2011/0…	18 Sep 2011
390	It's just incorrect to equate "making money" by growing your own drain of credit from other things, with "making wealth" for the economy.	17 Sep 2011
389	It comes from thinking of nature as made for our social rules, and planting seed only to multiply the seed, as if nature could handle it.	17 Sep 2011
388	Finance is in such trouble from traders trading for their own accounts, putting money in to take ever more out, that can't last naturally.	17 Sep 2011
387	Why money pumps things up to just drain them dry, at the limit the still growing savings of some comes from draining the savings of others.	15 Sep 2011
386	Does reaching for infinity become practical, by just committing to keep up with the ever bigger steps till they're out of reach?	14 Sep 2011
385	When a system is already overbuilt, it's a still greater waste to continue overbuilding it. So when do we start asking how rather than why?	14 Sep 2011
384	Their hiding place? In plain sight, never in our information but only internal to their own circles of organization, hidden from our view.	13 Sep 2011
383	And science has **not even begun** to study the systems of nature that so handily take care of themselves,... no clue where they are even.	13 Sep 2011
382	So, it seems the conceptual realities are irresolvable, even hard to make any sense of, having found no grip on the physical ones yet.	13 Sep 2011
381	The bond markets keep telling us what to do so they can have systematically multiplying savings, and the intellectuals keep wondering why.	13 Sep 2011
380	It's so easy to catch yourself blaming the surfer for the wave, like the ultra rich for leading a society with dreams so certain to fail.	11 Sep 2011
379	@@cjeder Well, except the usual effect of efficiency is increasing energy uses 2.5 times the amount of saved... making each more profitable.	10 Sep 2011
378	So, my natural systems science locates nature's hidden circles for studying their emerging behaviors, lights shining into that blind spot.	9 Sep 2011
377	Or, is nature is better seen as a "wicked gossip", keeping her secrets to the circles that invent them so well, we're just quite unaware?	9 Sep 2011
376	@cjeder but... IF you add the 8000btu/$ of human services needed to operate the airline and the cars, both should go up more than 100%.	9 Sep 2011
375	Is it a self-betrayal?? ...to avoid discussing what practical ways exist to stop money from piling up, uncontrollably, to topple our world?	9 Sep 2011
374	It's not our social values causing nature trouble and to misbehave, as she listens ONLY to our procedures, we may not see, and nothing else.	9 Sep 2011
373	@donmacca @guardian @pdenlinger ... Of course, Google's GHG no. will be off from reality by a scale of 5 due to method.synapse9.com/SEA	9 Sep 2011
372	It would be so nice if nature could understand the language of our social policies, and didn't only listen when we're speaking hers.	8 Sep 2011
371	@Revkin @TreeHugger The Onion misses the deeper reason. Growth and climate change have to keep accelerating to pay for slowing them down!	8 Sep 2011
370	@ezraklein What the economy needs is not to be "goosed" again, nor to "let it rip". Those are just beating up on an very overworked world.	8 Sep 2011
369	@postgrowth @adbusters @donmacca Yes, the wave is ready to break, but the grass roots still aren't on it! Nature isn't run by social policy.	8 Sep 2011
368	@Revkin Isn't the real answer that slowing down radiation speeds up convection EVERYWHERE?? Let's teach people to think scientifically!	8 Sep 2011
367	Free will isn't of much use without clear vision, is it. But we just don't yet see our habit of adding %'s as what's exploding our planet.	7 Sep 2011
366	The other "Why??" is less simple. Why no one notices is that most see nature as behaving according to our culture wars, and not by herself.	7 Sep 2011
365	The useful full answer to "Why??" is simple. Why it gets bigger and changing faster than we can manage is our always adding to it by %'s.	7 Sep 2011
364	Money takes over our lives because it's designed to; to use its control to add to its control, by %'s forever, men out planting their seeds!	7 Sep 2011
363	Hard science in the media? When in doubt, just hold the social status of the noise makers responsible for all natural events.	7 Sep 2011
362	@postgrowth Perhaps the much stronger force of social isolation due to growth is social networks forming their own realities in isolation.	7 Sep 2011
361	@GreatConvergnce @genesharpfilm .. One can't start a revolution without truth. Without limits to money we're just apologists and stooges.	6 Sep 2011
360	@postgrowth "Positive Money" still missing **the one thing** that has to change, the endless growth rule of investment.positivemoney.org.uk/take-action/sp…	6 Sep 2011
359	@EarthUnSummit12 @wecanada Why does every "earth summit" seem to recommit us to paying for externalities with multiplying externalities???	6 Sep 2011
358	@sergirovira @felixdodds - The future IS an achievement, and "S" curves of development reflect the nature of its construction, not numbers.	6 Sep 2011
357	Nature does love our making her pregnant, but she has us pay quite dearly for doing it more and more, while never budgeting for child care.	6 Sep 2011
356	What would float the jobs is only one thing, for the wealthy to spend money to give people earnings, not lend it to raise their debts.	6 Sep 2011
355	A matter of scale, the men planting their seed in nature, for a growing harvest of planting ever more seed, till nature just can't take it.	6 Sep 2011
354	@postgrowth Alternative economies are great niche solutions but won't fix a money system running amuck... you need Keynes' lasting solution.	4 Sep 2011
353	@RBReich - But if what hurt the middle class is "the earth is full", how to slow down not speeding up is what'll help.synapse9.com/signals	4 Sep 2011
352	Maybe... "equal time" should just apply to personal expression, and applied to sound science treats science as just opinion, not discovery.	4 Sep 2011
351	S.O.S. S.O.S. The ship will sink if the wealthy don't spend enough money to permanently relieve everyone of excess debt. Hoarding adds up.	4 Sep 2011
350	@Revkin @chrishughes @jumoconnect @GOOD - but what is slowing pace of change is NOT getting the word out, but confusion & misdirection.	4 Sep 2011
349	@ScienceChanges Development begins with a burst of new relationships, processes scaling up to satisfy the energy continuity of development.	3 Sep 2011
348	So you really wonder how our culture doesn't notice the little explosions of new relationships at the start of everything that happens.	3 Sep 2011
347	Little bang theory... where it all begins! Every beginning built with a little burst of new relationships.	3 Sep 2011
346	To have energy continuity requires process continuity, and innovation to be a little bang of construction at the beginning of all events.	3 Sep 2011
345	Change isn't pressure or noise, but needs "mutation" to be a construction process, a burst of new relationships emerging, innovation.	3 Sep 2011
344	@postgrowth yes, EF is a well constructed measure, but a small part of total demand, like missing ever growing demands on our talents too.	3 Sep 2011
343	@aleksj Well, what's replacing commuting with communicating also splits the economy into unequal upward and downwardly mobile parts!!	2 Sep 2011
342	@postgrowth @paulgilding @Freemoneyday ...but the ONLY effective anti shopping campaign is an anti earning campaign, at ~8000btu/$GDP!	2 Sep 2011
341	Only one first time for anything,... unless you consider everything to be a first time for everything, life as information or a process!	2 Sep 2011
340	Perception is a stream of snap judgments, rarely pausing to ask dumb questions, like why does giving money to money no longer pays us back.	1 Sep 2011
339	@STWR_ In 5 min on the US debt, left out is the dilemma that paying debt doesn't produce spending, but debt upon debt to bankrupt the world.	1 Sep 2011
338	..the main problem with natural systems, of course, is how they work inside is quite hidden from view, only hinted by external behavior,	1 Sep 2011
337	So, we keep trying to fix our worlds of social relations, with no idea how or why our worlds of physical systems around us keep changing.	1 Sep 2011
336	So, we keep trying to fix our social concept worlds, paying no attention at all to how and why the physical one is changing.	1 Sep 2011
335	What we see in our minds is our own world of internal social relationships, that we confuse with the ones our world works or fails by.	1 Sep 2011
334	@postgrowth - fine personal lives, but "simple life" won't alter "critical breakdowns in world systems". Want to live well in a corpse?	1 Sep 2011
333	Common finding?... my "How natural system bankruptcy works" & Colin Campbell's "Seneca effect" synapse9.com/signals/2011/0…cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2011/08/seneca…	30 Aug 2011
332	@TEEB4ME Circular economy MUST include circular money - concept J.M. Keynes, Chapter 16, The General Theory -synapse9.com/ref/KeynesGenT…	30 Aug 2011
331	Engineers err on the side of caution when taking on greater challenges, but for economists caution is to add them by %'s...	30 Aug 2011
330	With our having such an ethic of kindness, it's evidently our ignorance that makes us behave so extraordinarily cruel.	29 Aug 2011
329	At the limits of healthy growth stronger parts can keep growing by consuming the economic resources of the weak, even as the total shrinks.	29 Aug 2011
328	Why does economic growth become cannibalistic? It's our rules for managing our savings, the same as for cancer, only invest to expand.	29 Aug 2011
327	Why does economic growth become cannibalistic? It's our rules for using money to make money. They ask investment managers to do it.	29 Aug 2011
326	Why does economic growth become cannibalistic at its limits? The strong then can only grow by consuming the (market share of the) weak.	29 Aug 2011
325	@climate_diplo @KHayhoe ..."How to talk to climate skeptics"? Boy, I wish I could get past the confused fixations of climate believers!	28 Aug 2011
324	#sustdev and 'green design' equally neglect the large and diverse resource demands made by ANY spending of money.synapse9.com/SEA	28 Aug 2011
323	@donmacca Maclurcan offers nice images, yes, but should work with me to get them to work in nature. Nature doesn't follow social policy...	28 Aug 2011
322	@pwjohnson @EarthUnSummit12 @Revkin Both #sustdev and "green economy" ignore the outsourced impacts of money, so not much different at all.	28 Aug 2011
321	#irene 8:00AM No branches down anywhere in Ft Tryon park, but one, oddly broken in 8 pieces as if smashed to bits by force.	28 Aug 2011
320	Two great waves of immigration, one when finding room & ways to grow, the other as growth created conflicts, different.synapse9.com/issues/Immigra…	28 Aug 2011
319	If it seems the "social cost of CO2" is closer to $900/ton, the real cost per $GDP is then $0.41 scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id… synapse9.com/SEA	27 Aug 2011
318	@EarthUnSummit12 @Revkin @pwjohnson - #sustainable is false really, reality SO different, just reducing visible impacts to grow hidden ones.	27 Aug 2011
317	@EarthUnSummit12 @Revkin @pwjohnson - #susdev OK except 90% is usual devl. with new name & old outsourced energy use. synapse9.com/SEA/	27 Aug 2011
316	@Revkin ..but Hansen is still proposing we pay for the climate mitigation by consuming all other economic resources ever faster...!	27 Aug 2011
315	Using money to just squeeze the world for more money, isn't nurturing the earth. It's our men, obsessed with empty symbols and going mad.	27 Aug 2011
314	It's an internal choice to respond, not a rule or external force. Is that what's confusing? A time to take in and a time to release it...	26 Aug 2011
313	It's an investment system that reinvests its profits as it becomes over-investing, like we are... that drives itself into total bankruptcy.	26 Aug 2011
312	0ne thing any development system in nature needs to do is reinvest it's profits to grow and divest them to mature and survive.	26 Aug 2011
311	I solved the physics problem 30 years ago, to find Keynes had solved it 50 years before me, what nature needs us to do at growth limits.	26 Aug 2011
310	@Revkin We'd respond as if to a hurricane, if we spent 1/10 the effort on the changing rates of using and finding affordable resources.	26 Aug 2011
309	@donmacca Economies are only slightly responsive to social policy, and not if money opposes. It ALL rests on relieving money's need to grow	26 Aug 2011
308	If the deep problem is world resource demand increasing faster than supply... to restore growing demand to solve it will just make it worse!	26 Aug 2011
307	Our most depleted resource is our ability to find more resources to deplete, long just assumed infinite, but actually not hard to check.	26 Aug 2011
306	@TEEB4ME How about someone studying how economies work as ecologies?????? That's the real subject we owe 5000 years of back homework on.	26 Aug 2011
305	@TEEB4ME ..Please, When growth becomes unprofitable for the whole, every part is at real risk. To divest not invest profits saves the day.	25 Aug 2011
304	Keynes first talked about the obvious solution for 20 years, then Boulding for 40, then me for 30+. It's still the one way systems survive.	25 Aug 2011
303	A friend says I should find a cartoonist or animator to help me illustrate the living world I see.	25 Aug 2011
302	As the world gets more complex and less manageable it needs more resources, and progressive depletion allows less.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0…	25 Aug 2011
301	Is the film in the camera the environment seen in the picture? Does it work by the relationships observers see, as most science relies on?	25 Aug 2011
300	Does the organization of how things work ever change from anywhere other than the inside, largely out of view largely by observers?	25 Aug 2011
299	Looking at the world, do the things you see work by the relationships YOU see?... or does each have a world with a heart beat of its own?	25 Aug 2011
298	Nature thought a little birthday party would be nice, a way to begin. But nobody came. So she just relaxed and watched the grass grow.	24 Aug 2011
297	Say YES to great symbolic statements...Tell Obama to Say NO to Tar Sands. Pls RT act.350.org/sign/tar-sands/ ...and go much further yourself.	22 Aug 2011
296	It's a natural system bankruptcy, EROI < 1, ever growing demand exceeding supply, shedding failing parts til it weakens the whole like Rome.	22 Aug 2011
295	We finally overcame nature, the dumb way... but by rejecting her from our social realities, a harrowing partner rejection to come.	22 Aug 2011
294	Our words became ungrounded and lost their real meanings because of our cultural choice to not accept nature in our social realities.	22 Aug 2011
293	Even the IPCC calls for ever growing resource depletion to pay for climate mitigation... Yea, that'll work great! natural system bankruptcy	22 Aug 2011
292	@donmacca Not one confronts needing to end ever growing profits. The physical world requires, the social world denies.synapse9.com/signals	22 Aug 2011
291	@postgrowth - It's wrong to say "We are ecological accountants" like EF does, overlooking outsourced impacts of money.synapse9.com/SEA	21 Aug 2011
290	I think the only reasonable conclusion is that somehow all our metaphors got broke, and just don't connect anymore.	21 Aug 2011
289	@Revkin Rick Perry may be mad... just as divorced from reality as our world plan to sustain prosperity with ever faster resource depletion.	21 Aug 2011
288	Maybe it's that so many people are trying to get a word in edgewise, practically one actually gets a chance to say anything...	20 Aug 2011
287	Sparks originate opportunistically, storms originate opportunistically, phase changes originate opportunistically...	20 Aug 2011
286	How come learning broke down, and everyone became an ego universalist???	20 Aug 2011
285	It seems there needs to be an opportunistic event for beginning any deterministic process.	20 Aug 2011
284	In nature, growth is NOT a number on a sliding scale. It's a construction project for making something lasting and succeeds, or it fails.	20 Aug 2011
283	Finding someone else's pocket to pick doesn't tell you why everyone is getting so desperate to find someone else's pocket to pick...	19 Aug 2011
282	I might not have noticed... but for being offended by how men keep screwing nature just to create bigger screw guns, with no other purpose.	19 Aug 2011
281	Money is actually pumped from the earth, in the form of delivered goods and services, and *that's* why it can't keep multiplying any more.	19 Aug 2011
280	"More" is a terrible purpose to keep for centuries, even "saving lives" then creates diseases, bad genes & incompetence nature wouldn't.	18 Aug 2011
279	@aleksj But what if information is now interpreted from invented social realities, ever more divorced from the common complex real world.	17 Aug 2011
278	Look at the world consensus economic policy, more growth to use depleting resources and create externalities to not respond to ever faster.	17 Aug 2011
277	Go outside your familiar network...	17 Aug 2011
276	It seems an information age naturally leaves you trying to run the world with culture wars, each viewing it from its own reality.	17 Aug 2011
275	It's also progress that exhausts *affordable* resources ever faster... so high overhead economies that get hit hardest.	16 Aug 2011
274	Whose job is that anyway, dealing with a world psychosis... like belief in prosperity assured by using up shrinking resources ever faster?	16 Aug 2011
273	Hunter/gatherers took from nature to use and work on at home, but then some used their takes to only multiply, and stopped bringing it home.	16 Aug 2011
272	In real science, theory is the question, and the study of nature is always the answer.	16 Aug 2011
271	@postgrowth @Freemoneyday @VenessaMiemis 13 books... that still don't fix the way we use money to grow investments...synapse9.com/signals/2011/0…	16 Aug 2011
270	@postgrowth @degrowth "co-creating no growth world" also adds to wonder about why economic "crazies" seem ALL around.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0…	15 Aug 2011
269	@STWR_ @yesmagazine "Resilient Economy" adds to wonder about why economic "crazies" seem ALL around.synapse9.com/signals/2011/0…	15 Aug 2011
268	Even life saving is limited by promoting genes and incompetence nature would have eliminated, needing a greater purpose than just "more".	15 Aug 2011
267	Growth always continues till it eliminates the conditions for growth, a change in rules like your birth getting you evicted from the womb.	15 Aug 2011
266	Now... if anyone would connect that with our driving money the opposite way.. we'd be getting places. thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/0…	15 Aug 2011
265	Arctic sea ice trend.. very graphically displayed...thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/0…	15 Aug 2011
264	Why do politicians all agree on our wasting our effort getting back to using things up ever faster to remain prosperous?? Won't work.	14 Aug 2011
263	You know, like some days it's just time to listen to your own body, as it's got things to say to you? The earth's our body, listen.	14 Aug 2011
262	Natural systems grow in their own bubbles, as self-defined networks growing from a seed, emerging in a burst of self-organization.	13 Aug 2011
261	When it comes down to it, the people who have difficulty acknowledging error are the ones who are just not curious about the real world.	12 Aug 2011
260	What kills confidence more than anything else is endless over-investment, squeezing everyone's margins to a common point of disillusionment.	12 Aug 2011
259	...and while not finding any resting place offering growth, still fooling both computer and man that hopes to find the world is infinite.	12 Aug 2011
258	Are wild daily gyrations "the Twitter Effect" with the world's market chasers and followers flocking like birds finding no place to land?	12 Aug 2011
257	Managing for growth results in taking on more complex tasks till the system doing it becomes unmanageable, so manage for response instead.	11 Aug 2011
256	A system of ever growing complexity now naturally exceeding the limits of its own self regulation, as clearly described in 1979.	11 Aug 2011
255	Market players driving turmoil to profit from it, not to share in what's profitable to others? Spoiling the game fun at first, then ugly.	11 Aug 2011
254	"I'll Be Gone / You'll Be Gone" is financial manipulation, that naturally grows ever faster when that's what profitable investment is left.	11 Aug 2011
253	The social contract becomes one sided, money goes into things, but only with guarantees to take more out, till it breaks the social order.	11 Aug 2011
252	Investing money into things to take more out first stimulates then overtakes and destroys them. An infinite thing chasing a finite one.	11 Aug 2011
251	The real cause is accumulated money accumulating more and more, bankrupting the cash economy. It irreversible when the bars begin to close.	11 Aug 2011
250	So, one real way to fix the drain of money from the cash economy into finance is to print as much as 30 years of our wages to hand out. ;-)	10 Aug 2011
249	What's the real difference between adding by units and adding in %'s? For flows in nature one can be a steady state, and the other can't.	10 Aug 2011
248	@EarthUnSummit12 @artate - and... ALL our institutions designed to remain "stable" by multiplying in scale forever too... odd design, no?	10 Aug 2011
247	Really Phil, you're forgetting the true reality is the epicycles for our theory, not the things of nature, if you know what's good for you.	9 Aug 2011
246	@aleksj Trader's "hands on faces" seems GD endless! Must be the world in our brains isn't found in reality... synapse9.com/signals	9 Aug 2011
245	"Reading Nature's Signals" for learning how to read the individual behaviors of the living systems of nature.google.com/reader/view/fe…	9 Aug 2011
244	We built the fixed design of our society around taking two cookies from nature for every one we took before, like a mindless 2 year old.	9 Aug 2011
243	The real crisis is how people think nature uses their own social network's theory, so can't read what her signals mean!synapse9.com/signals	9 Aug 2011
242	A long infantile habit of taking two cookies for every one you took before... naturally leads to this (usual tragic bedlam).	9 Aug 2011
241	With finance designed for everyone to take over the world at once, many find hoarding cash is their last refuge, and the world seizes up...	9 Aug 2011
240	Keynes actually predicted this very kind of natural end-of-growth crisis, ever growing savings getting shrinking returns synapse9.com/signals/	9 Aug 2011
239	CapitalInstitute.com Synapse9.com. Poking our heads above the waves!	8 Aug 2011
236	Enough spending by those with excess savings averts world default when growth becomes unprofitable. (Keynes Chapter 16)synapse9.com/ref/KeynesGenT…	8 Aug 2011
235	If enough spending by those with excess savings would both end growth and avert world default on it as debt, then what's their motive???	8 Aug 2011
238	Is it that we live in a physical world, not a theoretical world, that all the theoretical arts simply missed, just looking the other way???	8 Aug 2011
237	How did science not notice, that all the systems we see developing and operated from the inside, aren't controlled by forces from outside???	8 Aug 2011
234	The catch for mainstream science, for example, is how nature operates in cells working internally, so not ruled by what observers can see.	8 Aug 2011
233	I am looking, but just don't find any stream of western culture that doesn't treat nature as its own theory... and they're all different.	8 Aug 2011
232	@Revkin Friedman's "5 eroded pillars" (of perpetual growth), omits the need for rapidly depleting resources and the conflicts that causes.	8 Aug 2011
231	Owning an ever growing share, of an ever more fictional pie, your value is still what you can sell it for, right?? But leads to panic...	8 Aug 2011
230	The impression is our whole intellectual culture is profoundly blind or dishonest... as nearly everyone's theories treat nature as a theory.	8 Aug 2011
229	In the end, money IS reality, no financial system is stable if those with savings just squeezed it for more, and don’t spend their earnings.	8 Aug 2011

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240	Love is all you need! ...except figuring out why a world filled with so much of it is also so amazingly ignorant of nature.	6 Aug
239	Learn words referring directly to events and objects of nature, and for her meanings, separate from word uses for our beliefs and values.	6 Aug
238	How money connects to reality is by our using it for making requests for ever growing control of the earth, which backfires at the limits.	6 Aug
237	The ideal economic product, low cost, little thought needed, direct access to the brain's pleasure centers... our consuming main activity!	6 Aug
236	Do we protect endangered species? ...or more our own dependency on the money, what actually causes the great threat to nature and the earth?	6 Aug
235	Do we "save lives" or more often just bodies? ...added to our list of credits, but rewarded with only painful struggle and to die unnoticed.	6 Aug
234	@revkin - Well, looking for first causes, what's always done the most to keep speeding up warming is "making money", the one whole cause.	6 Aug
233	Social networks drifting ever further into their own social realities... Ever more urged by nature go the other way! synapse9.com/signals/2011/0…	6 Aug
232	Everyone says, "Well my theory is..." as if that was all nature required to give them a whole new reality.	6 Aug
231	All the paths for escaping the house of self-love are so overgrown you can hardly see where they are anymore.	6 Aug
230	Still... beats me how to get love to be truthful. I'm just surrounded by intellectual cultures in love with themselves and happy to be.	6 Aug
229	Putting money in to take more out, pumps things up but then drains them dry, a fine boom-bust stewardship for our lives. synapse9.com/issues/Reading…	28 Jul
228	@revkin ... The MUCH bigger problem is "leading experts" have long assumed we lived in a deterministic world, only now finding out we don't.	26 Jul
227	Interesting that Teilhard de Chardin was the genius McLuhan got his main ideas from... but never mentioned. Strange intellects, ice on fire	21 Jul
226	That scientists counted only ~1/5 of the energy demands of businesses (SEA) let environmentalists make great errors.synapse9.com/SEA	21 Jul
225	Money multiplies for people who manage money, not anyone else. That difference grows relentlessly unless money earnings get spent.	21 Jul
224	MCluhan's "the medium is the message" seems to mean that in the future every cultural network can look out from its own private bubble.	20 Jul
223	@mothernaturenet @revkin still not checking if "clean tech" comes from "dirty money", the usual investment plan to take over all of nature.	19 Jul
222	how would one know whether "clean tech" came from "dirty money" or not, the usual plot of investors to turn the whole earth into products.	19 Jul
221	What if everyone found a good use for everyone else's trash, like nature does, acting as her partner instead of her worst problem.	19 Jul
220	What animates change in nature are explosions of self-organization we see as "growth", but mysteriously it's not even a subject of physics.	17 Jul
219	People "living on the edge" are often kept there by aid that fails to change their problem, only making it worse by trying to hide it.	17 Jul
218	Paper on 500% adjustment in what energy uses to count, just awarded ASME prize for best Energy Sustainability paper 2010synapse9.com/signals/2011/0…	11 Jul
217	the problem with social networks is nature gets seen as their social construct, even science, with language, as yet, defining everything.	10 Jul
216	mother nature also kindly reminds us, you better not address her as "sir" either, if you want to get along...	10 Jul
215	nature is at a loss how to help her creation, that denies her physical working parts, treating them like just a game of social appearances.	10 Jul
214	@aleksj One also needs to look at immigration as a series of great waves and historic events.. synapse9.com/issues/USImmig…	8 Jul
213	Where do you find the natural world?synapse9.com/signals/2011/0…	8 Jul
212	There's nothing wrong with the joys of our lives at all, but letting others use them to drive the earth to exhaustion.	7 Jul
211	Would we find reality more likely in things we can explain, or in things we are at a loss to but nature does simply, like growth and change.	7 Jul
210	In demanding CO2 use if we could smell the gas, we'd get a cubic meter blast for every single dollar of GDP we spent.synapse9.com/design/dollars…	6 Jul
209	If growth is like pregnancy, and creates something, limitless growth is a plan to exhaust all resources before budgeting for child rearing.	3 Jul
208	@aleksj Growth as a "pulse" is more like pregnancy, you just can't stay in it, and have REAL IMPORTANT things to do and care for then.	3 Jul
207	@aleksj Social media make belief culturally affirming... but observation not, and so are biased against reading nature.synapse9.com/signals/	2 Jul
206	@Revkin Environmentalists also impressively ignore the actual source of demand, that overpowers their own efforts to protect the earth.	1 Jul
205	Environmentalists Are Doing Impressive Fracking PR Work in New York - Politics - The Atlantic Wire theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/…	1 Jul
204	So, what is the "good reason" for our using all our expert systems to make live better by a means that seems to destroy the earth?	1 Jul
203	So unexpected is world resource demand exceed world supply, now we don't see it at it's happening. A defining moment:synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves…	1 Jul
202	Every time I point out the little gaps, someone thinks I'm just showing them the myths need patching, and promptly cover it up! ;-)	30 Jun
201	Trying to be a member in good standing, of a culture blind to its own circumstance, makes not seeing it a price of "good standing"	30 Jun
200	Our world doesn't sit still, but is in turbulent motion, as we heat it up without knowing how.	30 Jun
199	Isn't the problem... that belief is culturally affirming, and observation not, but questioning? Then our cultures go blind and disconnect.	30 Jun
198	If population & productivity growth raise demand and nature and conservation both are decreasing supply, what relieves the growing conflict?	22 Jun
197	Moving to higher ground to avoid being swept away by a flood is "socially unacceptable" to people why don't want to get wet.	22 Jun
196	Foo Camp 6/10-12 in Sebastopol lanyrd.com/2011/foocamp/ via @lanyrd - Alex Jakulin presenting my work - Anarchetype study for natural systems	9 Jun
195	@Revkin @guardian Setting tougher targets for climate change won't reduce a bit the CO2 stimulus of economic growth still in them.	3 Jun
194	@Revkin Tempting, but denying the physical nature of nature won't make it a malleable concept to change as we like. Reality has no escape.	3 Jun
193	@SustainOurEarth @addthis Speth's micro-managing of the world ecology as a governmental service, won't erase the limits of money, nope!!	3 Jun
192	@Revkin @USGS "Peak Planet" isn't a list of resources limits and workouts, but a systemic collision between nature and man leaving no choice	1 Jun
191	@Revkin But Andy... Smil's "sustained push to boost innovation" is the old core problem, as ever bigger risks with nature, used for growth.	1 Jun
190	People's #productivity, stiffening resolve & natural limits of supply, driving food and fuel through the roof! synapse9.com/phpub.htm#113	31 May
189	@STWR_ food prices double by 2030? Critical to see it's the drive for productivity doing it - www.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInvestMoment-PH.pdf	31 May
188	The telling mental gap that “Gapminder.org” graphically displayshttp://synapse9.com/signals/2011/05/30/the-telling-mental-gap-at-gapminderorg	30 May
187	The answer is in! The #limit of #growth is much too expensive!#Resource #markets switch from inviting new users to defending their turf!	26 Mar
186	When's it more profitable to invest in making your environment work than in inflating your own wealth? In finance, simply never! :-/	22 Mar
185	When is the point in #growth when it becomes more profitable to invest in protecting and nurturing your environment than expanding yourself?	15 Mar
184	@edyong209 @ken_homer - definitely, most radical change we see coming we can keep denying till the day it arrives, this just overwhelms	15 Mar
183	#Food crisis, WorldWatch links to fuel demand, making fertilizer from natural gas too expensive.. synapse9.com/issues/PlanteChange11_03.pdf	14 Mar
182	Was it when our guides chose to impress on us that nature's voice spoke in their words, not in how to listen to her's, so very long ago??	8 Mar
181	When the earth as a whole calls out our name so clearly, and just as clearly unheard, I wonder when it was we became so deaf to her song?	8 Mar
180	@Revkin Well, realistically, to have helped him you'd have had to stop and give him a lift. It wasn't something 911 could really respond to.	6 Mar
179	@GreatConvergnce Duh... syNapse9?? It's about how nature connects things using narrow gaps to have openings where the wilderness can enter.	6 Mar
178	@GreatConvergnce @dotearth But Gell-Mann trusts the theories of "whole system modelers" but not the insights of whole system observers. Why?	6 Mar
177	All the signs from our environment are "sharp turn ahead" but our culture says "race ahead ever faster"... is THAT all in our heads too??	5 Mar
176	The PROBLEM, is we just have not tried enough wild schemes to get unsustainable growth to continue! That's all it is!	3 Mar
175	I liked a YouTube video -- Ra Ra Riot - Can You Tell (A Cappella)http://youtu.be/lH91YsaBkVI?a	25 Feb
174	nice art, both kinds! ;-) (YouTube http://youtu.be/lH91YsaBkVI?a)	25 Feb
173	@TEEB4ME But... "invest 2% GDP" still also multiplies the main problem, ever increasing addiction to depleting resources of all kinds!	21 Feb
172	If nature isn't responding to us, and both government and business misunderstand, do "the people" need to tell her what to do instead?	21 Feb
171	Do "facts that don't fit" have their own drawer in your mind? Or does it only prevent clutter to quickly erase them?	21 Feb
170	The debate over who should take charge over nature, the "government" or "business", seems to be wasting our time..	21 Feb
169	Where "the facts are easy but the memes are hard" is *exactly* where to look for the new questions and new paths we need to understand.	21 Feb
168	why we don't accept that efficiency always multiplied consumption? ... the facts are easy and the memes are hard	21 Feb
167	Was it constitutional for an abdicating president of Egypt to dismiss the constitution, and give the country to the military?? Sounds odd.	11 Feb
166	Well, if #Egypt was worried about it's tourist business..., They have no worries now! What a great place to visit it's now become.	11 Feb
165	#Egypt, "putting something on paper" need not be much, just a wonderfully clear statement of the path and goal and commitment	11 Feb
164	#Egypt needs to put something on paper!! Just love and solidarity in the streets... is nothing to build on, and not sustainable.	11 Feb
163	More delay in Egypt getting back to life as usual... You'd think the business community would explain.. free markets need free people.	10 Feb
162	#Grist - who's keeping their heads??http://www.grist.org/article/2011-02-09-smackdown-climate-science-vs-climate-economics#c745923	10 Feb
161	Egypt	9 Feb
160	Why does the "roadmap" for Egypt have no destination but silencing the protest...?	9 Feb
159	Egypt is planning on killing its people to save it's dictator's honor... Grand purpose... bu will it work? No, of course not.	9 Feb
158	I liked a YouTube video -- The Life and Times of Louis I. Kahn 2007http://youtu.be/SHB0SSj-1k4?a	19 Jan
157	what most people seem to learn from thinking is that observation is unimportant...	31 Dec
156	"A New Year’s wish, the true celebration" - last 7 tweets fromhttp://synapse9.com/signals/2010/12/30/a-new-years-wish-the-true-celebration/	31 Dec
155	It's asking too much, to expect what you can ask the world to do for you to multiply without end, denying your connection to life.	31 Dec
154	It's real simple, nature's energy budget just doesn't allow for one system to take for itself ever more of the energy needed by others.	31 Dec
153	Cultural reasoning is not like science, picking the answers it likes, ignoring the rest, rather than looking for questions with answers.	31 Dec
152	the IPCC then pointed out we won't even have an planet we'd recognize as earth to return to, if we don't respond, ignored all but entirely.	31 Dec
151	Keynes pointed out that when natural limits come money has to stop multiplying too, Meadows to how it's happening and very dangerous	31 Dec
150	Malthus pointed out that with unlimited demand the food runs out, and Jevons that being efficient makes that happen sooner.	31 Dec
149	Seeing the worth of money as tokens, denies how it connects you to life, each as one equal share of all you can ask the world to do for you.	31 Dec
148	ain't it the shits... to live up to someone else's ideals and find out they didn't give a shit??	5 Dec
147	I liked a YouTube video -- White Noise http://youtu.be/8hI5Rs-VXQE?a	5 Dec
146	What #wandering #minds need to know... (we're ALL kind of "out of the loop") www.synapse9.com/issues/WanderingMinds.htm	5 Dec
145	could the internet be destroying #knowledge... not converging toward anything but becoming turbulence to destroy every direction?	4 Dec
144	The #GHG #trend... improving efficiency *HAS NO EFFECT* on reducing share of fossil fuel use www.synapse9.com/signals/2010/12/04/dollarshadow/	4 Dec
143	The most accurate available measure of anything's #global #impacts is its share of #GDP as a share of the world's total, #dollarshadow.htm	3 Dec
142	#CharlieRangle I don't think it reflects on you Charlie, but panicky people grasping for straws. Don't be bitter, they need your help!	2 Dec
141	@Revkin Why have plans to stop #climate change paid for by continually growing energy use, with growing impacts to be all #unsustainable?	27 Nov
140	100% #renewable?http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/renewable-energy-baseload-power-David-Mills-solar-wind	26 Nov
139	For Thanksgiving, a little tale of surprising bounty that changes meaning every yearhttp://www.synapse9.com/issues/PeakZucchini.pdf :-)	25 Nov
138	@revkin Who "owns" the resulting CO2 is THE PURCHASER of the service it provided... That's the physics, the economics might as well follow.	24 Nov
137	But why???... are we still nearly all reducing only the rate of accelerating increases in our impacts, and just calling it #"efficient"??	23 Nov
136	The Capital Institute, seems significantly different, clear as the greens but going further on the risk of not preserving natural capital.	23 Nov
135	what they once called the "widow's cruse" turns out instead to be a a "youthful world's #challenge", not at ALL the end	20 Nov
134	If you owe someone #money, then they owe it to you to put it back into the world you got if from, a delightful real law of balance!	20 Nov
133	Isn't it #rude, when so many trusted voices of the past decide to become just voices of the past, and you have to move on?	19 Nov
132	Sounds good Leland, good to talk. (YouTubehttp://youtu.be/L1bWNgJnjuQ?a)	16 Nov
131	People are getting it! search [site:synapse9.com] my great old writings are coming up	13 Nov
130	"Models Learning Change" now in Cosmos & History - Natural science for adaptive modeling, for #growth & #changehttp://synapse9.com/signals/	13 Nov
129	@sky_pointer @Revkin It's to preserve positive net earnings that investors would spend them, to not drive net earnings toward zero, as now.	13 Nov
128	What if I were in power, what would I change?http://synapse9.com/signals/2010/11/12/what-if-i-were-in-power-what-would-i-change/	12 Nov
127	But how do we reduce our economic footprint?http://synapse9.com/signals/2010/11/12/but-how-do-we-reduce-our-economic-footprint/	12 Nov
126	The Story of "Missing Stuff"http://synapse9.com/signals/2010/11/12/the-story-of-the-missing-stuff/	12 Nov
125	So... why in the WORLD do world thinkers fail to menTion the small discrepan... (YouTube http://youtu.be/Zam9DZ43Cl0?a)	11 Nov
124	You can't just tape up the holes to keep the #bubble's from #bursting(it's essential to turn down the pumps working to #inflate them too).	15 Jul 10
123	#Formulas tell of pushes and pulls on fixed #connections, but #nature the stories of fitting opposite shapes and chances of new connection.	30 Jun 10
122	I joined FOUR YEARS. GO. #4YG. I will pay close attention to how my money keeps churning my whole world. http://...http://rpx.me/wLU	29 Jun 10
121	Directions of progress, without a real objective, are plans to push the limits and be stopped by only failing to respond to things ignored.	28 Jun 10
120	Or..What say we... learn to control ever more #complicatedsystems and then give them ever less thoughtful people??? <:-o <:-o	14 Jun 10
119	What say we... learn to control ever more #complicated systems and then give them ever less thought? <:-o	14 Jun 10
118	Talk of achieving "Singularity" begs one ask Which one? ..reducing thought to singularities or our control of nature, or is that the same?	13 Jun 10
117	You can't keep a #growth system that doesn't work as a whole, so even if enticing, #money that promises to ever multiply won't be kept.	10 Jun 10
116	To #economists, resource substitution is defined as free, as if hunter-gatherers still using cut & run as our theory of #nature!	8 Jun 10
115	@drgrist #"kicking ass" gets harder if the real fault is with our love of productivity, having ever greater impacts with ever less effort.	8 Jun 10
114	We know the appeal of how machine-like nature is, but we seem caught quite off guard not having taken interest in how very lively too.	8 Jun 10
113	I guess if we're running out of cheap stuff, we'll need to get our stuff elsewhere, if there still is some place "elsewhere"	7 Jun 10
112	Maximum growth & profit go to those who skim and run, so IBG-YBG has been our world economic policy forever. Hunter-gatherers started it!	7 Jun 10
111	#CO2 allowance = ~5 years. Cheap #oil supply = ~ 5 to 10 years. Plan to #grow as fast as possible to keep economy stable forever. What?????	7 Jun 10
110	Our natural (mental) #limits destabilized our economy, letting us choose faster resource depletion to stabilize #growth, in the 1950's.	7 Jun 10
109	I makes us seem like blind #slaves to ideology to not question "be fruitful and multiply" even when it's clearly no longer #fruitful.	6 Jun 10
108	Obama asks why BP didn't think through the #consequences of feeding an #economy that must always multiply it's consumption to remain stable!	3 Jun 10
107	Everyone knows physical systems all have breaking points, right? (and theories often don't)... but if #theory is our reality, what then?	3 Jun 10
106	@drgrist "Interesting Obama never mentioned...climate" or that growth requires ever more use of cheapest energy, oil till it runs out too!	3 Jun 10
105	BEST invention ever, my solar powered bank account recharger, just put it on your window sill and watch your money multiply, *guaranteed*!	3 Jun 10
104	what makes things "blow up" seems, to often be the wall you erect to "keep things from blowing up", that would otherwise "blow over".	3 Jun 10
103	Given the growing conflicts, business can't make a profit without taking short cuts, so the have to ever more to just stay in business.	2 Jun 10
102	@STWR_ spending a trillion, seeming to be mostly for retribution, really shows just how cheap we really are!	2 Jun 10
101	Does it escape our attention?... that solutions making things more #complex, makes them easier to misunderstand and harder to change?	1 Jun 10
100	What about the spectrum of growing #risks of #growth that are completely natural, and NOT caused by human error??	1 Jun 10
99	The #obligation to help people, who make such a big show of being #helpless, stops where it does more harm, or just isn't fun.	1 Jun 10
98	Solutions that multiply, and hide ever more unrecognized risks, ..are, well "perfect", giving you nothing at all to worry about.	1 Jun 10
97	BP #unprepared? Simple #economics limits preparation for ever wider harm of ever bigger things going wrong, a natural limit of #growth.	29 May 10
96	What you say makes sense to you but none to me... so we both mush be!	29 May 10
95	What's #real or #imagined isn't possible to tell, except from the gaps in what you think that keep sending you back to the source.	28 May 10
94	Pink Floyd walks into a bar saying "I don't need no thought control", the bartender says "I'll buy that!", so now they're both fat cats!	28 May 10
93	Why can't nature just leave our perfect theories alone!! ... always mucking things up by changing the world around them!	26 May 10
92	is there ANYTHING different between alternating and escalating effects other than the good intentions that may or not be behind them??	25 May 10
91	Sustainability is generally measured as if the head on a beer, the less head the less beer... right? See it clear from a distance, no prob!	25 May 10
90	long vigorous and resilient, reached an unprecedented peak and then literally collapsed...	25 May 10
89	we regulate economies like a #casino, for players guaranteed to win their bets and encouraged to pile their winnings on their bets... Smart!	25 May 10
88	Can't change the past?? Isn't the future just one revisionist history after another, constantly changing the meaning of the past? #change	24 May 10
87	So, how did we get here, unable to tell if there are any independent realities, or just culturally preferred ones? What's that for?	23 May 10
86	Risk of a further physical system collapse. #growth #criseswww.synapse9.com/signals	22 May 10
85	Is DNA a cell's molecular "software" or is it the "memory"?? Isn't the #LIFE of the cell what reads DNA as what worked before, and adapts?	21 May 10
84	@Revkin 'Strong reason to believe' terrorists plotting U.S. strike?? ..Or is it that from our #growth being a growing attack on nature?	20 May 10
83	I think Venter's "big discovery" is risky, but not so. Evolution works ONLY by addition, and so would not have a logic for us to screw up.	20 May 10
82	In a time of change, to find the smell of what will work next, smell the new roses too.	20 May 10
81	If the earth were a social system then nature would listen to government policy too! #growth	20 May 10
80	If the earth were a social system cheer leading for sustainability helps, and stimulating growth to call it constraint positive too. #growth	20 May 10
79	Complexity - What is it? It's what nature does so very simply we can't fathom it, usually lots of disconnected parts acting as a whole.	19 May 10
78	Evidently streamlining growth to work better, accelerates both its resource uses and impacts, and is what technology always did.#growth	19 May 10
77	Pollyanna and Chicken Little were in a bar... ya see. Dionysus walks in. and says "Hey, what's happening" and everyone panics!	18 May 10
76	So, here we are, adding highly inappropriate panic reactions onto delayed long term choices we should have and many did seen coming	18 May 10
75	#growth - We're sorry, we apparently didn't have any brains to give you as it turns out, and seem only to have given you our problems	17 May 10
74	The surest approach to climate change is letting the economies do what comes natural to them, spoil all their options and collapse. #carbon	16 May 10
73	Are all ever more complex things increasingly vulnerable to smaller and smaller defects? Nope, mostly just ones people design...	16 May 10
72	It goes unnoticed..., the paper value of money goes up and up and up by leaps and bounds forever. Some trick!!	16 May 10
71	How could factories treat nature as our partner on earth rather than slave, spending at least as much attention to listening as telling?	16 May 10
70	You know there's a physical world, 'cause any time you like you can step right on it!	15 May 10
69	Unshaken in believing in our own endlessly multiplication, on a planet already visibly collapsing under our weight, we court real madness	14 May 10
68	In footnotes, the Bruntland Commission wording of sustainability became having our impacts multiply for as long as possible... not to end.	14 May 10
67	A partnership with nature would be equal parts, telling and listening, not telling that keeps increasing ever faster by %'s	13 May 10
66	True madness is often the most popular thing for a time at first, like our flood of profits from controlling ever more of nature.	13 May 10
65	If every problem with growth is solved by shifting burdens to something else, does that ever start going in a circle?	13 May 10
64	Equations say, as the basis for "determinism", that effects of things from inside are all seen from outside. Not at my house, but hey...!	7 May 10
63	What if after multiplying bounty more growth automatically turns to multiplying scarcity and conflicts, just like the simple math says.	6 May 10
62	Who's long been detailing "growth induced collapse", a result of progress exceeding all limits exceeding all your limits, in growing crises.	6 May 10
61	After thriving on expanding control of your environment, what works better than the reverse, securing your place by taking over ever less?	6 May 10
60	Beats me why science doesn't find it curious that things with an interior can't be modeled from the exterior, requiring observation instead!	5 May 10
59	Talk of "commodity boom Mach II" seems to mean we're not done colliding with the limits of the earth yet, I think.	4 May 10
58	I was looking at my bank account, thinking of how the money hidden from view always goes where it can multiply its control of the earth.	4 May 10
57	I was looking at my garden, how all the plants intertwine, filling each other's gaps, using each other's leftovers, avoiding trouble.	4 May 10
56	shouldn't *somebody* study how uncontrolled natural systems work... if misunderstanding them is our main problem?	4 May 10
55	Yep, "smart", but just not paying attention. @ninacaplan That's the Malthusian argument, isn't it...	3 May 10
54	@shoudaknown That's the Malthusian argument, isn't it. Not looking good.	3 May 10
53	Why would our plans to reduce CO2 pollution call for to keep multiplying our use of all other resources to pay for it?? #oilspill #CO2	3 May 10
52	Why would the CO2 reduction plans promoted by the IPCC call us to keep multiplying our use of every other resource to pay for it???	3 May 10
51	If technology impacts on the earth grow exponentially, and our mental understanding of it grows linearly, what get's exhausted first?	3 May 10
50	If you increase your steps by ever bigger steps, you get to ... overstepping! Wow, who'd a thunk it?	1 May 10
49	Why is nature so chock full of things that casually and effectively take care of themselves, and we haven't noticed, or asked how?	1 May 10
48	We're loosing the earth. Running helter skelter to find ever more things to control, but find little we could any more but ourselves.	1 May 10
47	The waves are out at sea, and it's only pictures of them fit in your mind. So why does conversation invariably mix that up?	1 May 10
46	growth = steadily larger problems ending in ever fewer resources to solve them with.	1 May 10
45	maturation = steadily smaller problems and steady resources for solving them.	1 May 10
44	money needs the economy to grow to remain stable, and the economy needs to stabilize to remain solvent... oops does that work?	1 May 10
43	it takes connecting two world views to make one handshake, as inexplicable as the existence of two world views always is.	1 May 10
42	The very small difference between fire, the flickering shadow on the trees and the curling smoke rising toward the stars. #change	26 Apr 10
41	Would the King get a different answer if instead of asking six blind men to describe an elephant he (or she) had asked six blind women?	26 Apr 10
40	Is the "next big thing" after multi-tasking multi-being, or at least indecision about who we are flashing rapidly before our eyes??#change	26 Apr 10
39	We are quiet about why better healthcare multiplies our health needs, and growth solutions just multiply problems. #change #quiet	24 Apr 10
38	In an ever more complicated world, the one sure solution seems to be for everyone to have it their own simple way! #change	24 Apr 10
37	In the age of free information, good information get *just* affordable!	24 Apr 10
36	So... the plan is to make growing money from shrinking resources... right? But, how's that not become a battle everyone is sure to loose?	24 Apr 10
35	it doesn't make sense for the post office (or Google and others...) to keep their own copies of your mail...	24 Apr 10
34	commented on The Diane Rehm Show. Economic Repercussions of the Icelandic Volcano: http://soc.li/8Ksa5k	20 Apr 10
33	Totally absorbed with ourselves and our culture we miss our ties with the other things "all alone in the universe" in this place and time.	18 Apr 10
32	Stay away from Twitter for your peace of mind…. Great headlines, rarely anything good when you click. Allison!	13 Apr 10
31	It could be the real "elitism" is the kind of "populism" that defines the world as a political play, a contest of manners between heroic...	4 Apr 10
30	Lots needs rethinking, like how ..hidden in sight.. most efficiencies stimulate growth, so multiply resource use and the problem! #4YG	23 Mar 10
29	Hi from NYC, Thinking about a game, "Distoppley", the one that comes after "Monopoly", where you actually figure out a good end.#4YG	23 Mar 10
28	It's more or less the natural thing, that everyone gathers at the point where the disaster will occur, and time goes on unnoticed	5 Feb 10
27	It's more or less the natural thing, that everyone gathers at the point where the disaster will occur	5 Feb 10
26	Using the original meaning of "fiduciary"http://synapse9.com/signals/2010/01/21/campaigh-finance-law-and-an-even-more-dastardly-plan/	22 Jan 10
25	Nearly all strategies for slowing down our accelerating resource depletion, actually just speed it up, as all were designed by honey bees.	16 Jan 10
24	Economic systems don't function by wishful imagery and cannot be given away, but are built on foundations of competence.	16 Jan 10
23	No, no, no. She's just doing the sugar dance. You know, like the honey bees, who'll tell you ANYTHING just so the dance leads to sugar!	16 Jan 10
22	Our suffering will be like Haiti's today if we use our resources to hide our limits to growth till we have no resources or time to change	16 Jan 10
21	many tragedies are multiplied by the generous aid of the past, that however served to hide rather than solved real problems	16 Jan 10
20	Growth at the limits isn't one number pressing against another, but all of us exerting ever more effort to come into conflict with ourselves	30 Sep 09
19	Continuous growth replaces our ways of life faster and faster, first with growing rewards and then with growing penalties	30 Sep 09
18	Continuing growth up to your environment's limit and collapse, a nasty mistake always avoided when we know what we need to pay attention to.	30 Sep 09
17	Wondering where the music of life comes from points to science's great mistake in representing everything as formulas of Platonic ideals.	30 Sep 09
16	the part we connect, the part we have to wait for that relies on our environment's response.	29 Sep 09
15	Know how "garbage in garbage out" applies to our computers? Then there's nature's computers "garbage in music out"... how DOES she do that?!	29 Sep 09
14	Know how "garbage in garbage out" applies to out computers? Then there's nature's computers "garbage in music out"... how DOES she do that?!	29 Sep 09
13	intimately knowing your limits, seems to greatly expand them...	27 Sep 09
12	How we get back on track, seems to vary, with all our cultural values pointing one way, and he physical world, oddly, pointing quite another	24 Jul 09
11	physical systems are completely truthful and automatically responsive, instead of replacing their own reality for every one they hear.	22 Jul 09
10	It's wonderful to be more inventive, but it doesn't work to have to be ever more inventive just to stay in one place.	21 Jul 09
9	the math of economic growth says in each doubling, say 20-30 years, the world consumes as much of the earth as in all the history of growth	19 Jul 09
8	With % rates of increasing change it's not so important is not where they go today as where they won't go tomorrow.	19 Jul 09
7	No matter what language you write it in, people invariably read it in their own	10 Jul 09
6	The physics of life. Things begin and end, changing directions six times if they are to arrive at a stable form in-between. ¸¸¸.•´ ¯ `•.¸¸¸	9 Jul 09
5	We may not think our categories change, but nature fills them with changing things. Only our ignorance of that seems truly changeless.	8 Jul 09
4	The taker culture is a looser culture, any number of ways. Those with more taking more of a world with ever less, just like Rome	7 Jul 09
3	The real energy problem is our society’s model of ever increasing overhead costs.	7 Jul 09
2	Using physics in a diagnostic way with our own and nature's systems as the patient, dumping pop-psychology	18 Jun 09
1	setting up twitter, points of elasticity, wondering how to stretch	23 Apr 09

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