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Jessie Henshaw

Blog Reading Nature’s Signals & Research archive Synapse9.com,

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When I had time, some related series of tweets grouped by order color

and more important systems principles highlighted

1776	@moraldna @zoeolsberg @designcouncil @BarbaraKimmel @RogerSteare The bigger true ways to biomimic tomorrow - http://www.synapse9.com/signals/	14 Sep, 2012
1775	Science has an ODD way of studying the eventful systems of nature, making up uneventful theories to represent them... as being OUR ideas!!	14 Sep, 2012
1774	The problem with #Earth #Dashboards is not treating the economy as a living system taking off, needing a soft landing. http://www.synapse9.com/4YG/DashboardDoc1.htm …	13 Sep, 2012
1773	@VenessaMiemis Then why "bad games" with good rules too, like "king on the mountain" as competing wealth, to just inch ahead as the goal.	12 Sep, 2012
1772	@VenessaMiemis Open systems can't "be controlled", but growth occurs when a seed of organization takes control of its own future.	12 Sep, 2012
1771	@VenessaMiemis Or... the structure of nature are in movement, like growth and its resolution in new partnerships, always in development.	12 Sep, 2012
1770	It seems far more men than women, and all 'experts', just use words abstractly, and not for the relations and things in nature referred to.	12 Sep, 2012
1769	@STWR_ @truthout How finance must reverse directions for us to survive, is like endowment funds do, from self-inflation to true service.	12 Sep, 2012
1768	@STWR_ @truthout The end of growth allows re-localization.. but needs finance to change direction to survive. http://synapse9.com/signals/category/whattodo/ …	12 Sep, 2012
1767	Following #911, we've still not begun to face how our economic growth is also an ever expanding intrusion in other peoples' lives.	12 Sep, 2012
1766	http://lnkd.in/iubVJz T.A. - how would you test that idea, that nothing singular can exist without something else to recognize it?	9 Sep, 2012
1765	#Romney didn't see #Obama as having any new plan for the economy... because it was for us to all work together.	7 Sep, 2012
1764	BOTH SIDES speak like politics, not markets steer events... so they HAVE NO IDEA why things are really happening. http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/09/04/principles-for-responding-to-overload/ …	7 Sep, 2012
1763	#DNC2012 The American dream in BTU's may or may not work, but the dream in heart seems clearly there to take!	6 Sep, 2012
1762	Wow #DNC, Brilliant people with such heart is sure better than ones with none, ESPECIALLY with both getting such bad advice on what to do!!	6 Sep, 2012
1761	Well, debate points aside, there's more to the macro-economic change than mentioned here. There's clearly a... http://read.bi/Odjuyn	6 Sep, 2012
1760	Well... William was certainly stunning wasn't he? What a guy!!	5 Sep, 2012
1759	http://lnkd.in/6xCMKs Helene - Well, yes I’m saying nature doesn’t have “agency” as behavioral responses, but I’m NOT saying that only...	5 Sep, 2012
1758	http://lnkd.in/xD5TCm Helene - P.S. It seems I didn't ask what "stocks and flows" you have been taking an interest in recently. You've...	5 Sep, 2012
1757	You don't grow the economy if computers take the jobs. #Inequity builds until investors making the profit spend it hiring people.	5 Sep, 2012
1756	#DNC #Inequity^2 = Computers taking work from people to leave no buyer for the goods, if investors growing their profits don't spend too!	5 Sep, 2012
1755	Funny thing about technology, if investing in computers makes all the money, investing in jobs for people doesn't... http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2010/12/24/complexity-too-great-to-follow/ …	5 Sep, 2012
1754	http://lnkd.in/5PcB4b Ron - Thanks so much. It's taken many years of coaxing the data and the reasoning to start being able to convey...	4 Sep, 2012
1753	http://lnkd.in/xVFEwF karthikeyan - I'm having difficulty parsing your prose. Like, what do you mean by saying "As I understand all...	4 Sep, 2012
1752	http://lnkd.in/smMsZc Ferenc - Thanks for that link, a great lead-in for my comment: I think the question is quite relevant, and in...	4 Sep, 2012
1751	http://lnkd.in/7d5Q2g karthikeyan - I looked at that article in Nature, and found it (no surprise) to exemplify how to completely remove...	4 Sep, 2012
1750	http://lnkd.in/qMUqqh Helene - Yes, that search tool is cool, a great beginning, but still cant' handle multiple criteria, like [time...	4 Sep, 2012
1749	@demconvention2012 If the republican economy plan failed so grandly, why is it back? Why didn't they retreat and think of something new???	4 Sep, 2012
1748	http://lnkd.in/e7c2dA Well... another piece of "commons sense" might be that from the view of economics, "the commons" would be the...	3 Sep, 2012
1747	If the money for politics since 2008 had been put into educating people on real sustainability, we'd have made the turn by now.	3 Sep, 2012
1746	http://lnkd.in/STS2jG Gene & Helene - Unfortunately that video on the economic crisis is highly misguided. The problem description is...	3 Sep, 2012
1745	http://lnkd.in/kzkYiu Helene - Having a variety of indicators, is certainly useful, but there are literally dozens of very large...	2 Sep, 2012
1744	http://lnkd.in/mJRp4k How about using the architecture of development and decline? It seems to be a necessity of energy conservation,...	2 Sep, 2012
1743	#GOP2012 Now to choose between the party of boastful ignorance and the party of ignorant boasts what more do we need to know??	31 Aug, 2012
1742	#GOP2012 How CAN you "face the hard choices" and "not duck your founding principles" and ignore science and the earth???	30 Aug, 2012
1741	#GOP2012 ... things often topple just when they're "most dynamic", at a peak of excitement for things that won't work.	29 Aug, 2012
1740	#GOP2012 Cultural problems don't have military or financial solutions... more likely have military and financial causes.	29 Aug, 2012
1739	#GOP2012 Unleashing capitalism is great, if it weren't what has not been working for us, and ignoring the tough choices about the earth.	29 Aug, 2012
1738	#GOP2012 -- you can't be masters of your own destiny if you're making it all up... the physical world will talk back anyway.	28 Aug, 2012
1737	#GOP2012 what would a child in the womb do, and its mother too, if the child refused to acknowledge its limits to explosive growth???	28 Aug, 2012
1736	#GOP2012 real leaders change polls by push polling if they got the dough$$$	28 Aug, 2012
1735	#GOP2012 cheap answers won't please mother nature.... nope!	28 Aug, 2012
1734	There realities the #conparty conveniently neglects, the necessities require transitions, not belligerence, insight not ideology.	28 Aug, 2012
1733	There they go again, blaming others for their greatest faults, deceiving with cheap reasoning and easy escapes, the #conparty as high art!	28 Aug, 2012
1732	Barack's "leading from behind" isn't exciting. But not #GOP2012, "leading with their behinds", backing into the future seeking the past!!	28 Aug, 2012
1731	Do you really expect, giving the rich more and more money will raise all boats... when for the last 40 years it has only done the opposite??	27 Aug, 2012
1730	Why maximize deception for just rhetorical effect?? Fantasy policies without a chance of working just favor mayhem.	27 Aug, 2012
1729	http://lnkd.in/93y29w Helene – Thanks for the reminder. Here are some principles for detecting and responding to the inflection point....	26 Aug, 2012
1728	So... #Romney and many 1%'ers pay their US taxes, but mostly to offshore shelters that... pay them back! Wouldn't YOU like to do that?!	24 Aug, 2012
1727	Republicans worry about the top of the wheel, the Democrats, the bottom, as it goes round and round heading over the cliff.	21 Aug, 2012
1726	http://lnkd.in/dE-KUb I think it may be easier to define the reverse, what is "simply practicing self-deception". I think that refers to...	19 Aug, 2012
1725	http://lnkd.in/ipXQzf Lewis - Yes, it takes a little digging to discover the simple way product markets and money circulation are...	19 Aug, 2012
1724	http://lnkd.in/wvpA3q Landis - You made two rather critical comments, that to me don't seem to fit anything I might have meant to say....	18 Aug, 2012
1723	http://lnkd.in/MdCyZt Landis - You made two rather critical comments, that to me don't seem to fit anything I might have meant to say....	18 Aug, 2012
1722	http://lnkd.in/3XXfPk Ferenc - I think Vedran Vuk had a good perspective on systems that get "too big.. not to fail". His is similar...	18 Aug, 2012
1721	http://lnkd.in/ccrZJE Jessie Henshaw • Ferenc - Still, if I'm right that searching for what makes sense to you in nature leave you...	18 Aug, 2012
1720	http://lnkd.in/fYWzX6 Ferenc - Still, if I'm right it would explain why our society has a blind spot in what it searches for, and is...	18 Aug, 2012
1719	An old lady can feel comfortable telling young boys what idiots they are. It's using your seed to multiply your seed destroying the world.	18 Aug, 2012
1718	In a mind infatuated with itself, belief becomes more than dangerous, lost in creating little cancers to celebrate it all over.	18 Aug, 2012
1717	To really help people in a lasting way, teach them to study the eventfulness of natural change in "how things work", boom to ahh.	18 Aug, 2012
1716	http://lnkd.in/VhR7jX Ferenc - Thanks. The designs of your friend are marvelous. We have a ways to go on core ontology perhaps. You...	17 Aug, 2012
1715	http://lnkd.in/aM4vkB Ferenc - Well, as a mode of existence "search for a match" is selectively filtering what's around you to locate...	17 Aug, 2012
1714	http://lnkd.in/H2mv8g Ferenc – In saying “numbers are learnt by rote learning, by making simple associations” you are still defining...	17 Aug, 2012
1713	http://lnkd.in/ue5n5W An old woman has certain freedoms that others don't, the ability to speak from an overview of the things, to be...	17 Aug, 2012
1712	http://lnkd.in/a5xzWk T.A. - Actually, I think it's the reverse, that we can't possibly resolve what was really happening in the past...	17 Aug, 2012
1711	http://lnkd.in/nvG8HE Ferenc - Your take on my "compact ontology" as described by "what we see in our minds isn't real, what we're...	17 Aug, 2012
1710	Why smart winners hold back from destroying losers is NOT GUILT, but that it's how the game survives.	17 Aug, 2012
1709	Racism? Well, "unshackled" business greed IS where slavery came from, and what kept it alive for so long.	17 Aug, 2012
1708	http://lnkd.in/Pjx36c T.A. - You liked my way of saying the reason "life is so lively" comes in good part from nature being a "bomb...	16 Aug, 2012
1707	http://lnkd.in/-rCZ5q Helene - Looking for a "lean core ontology"?? How about "what we see in our minds isn't real, what we're looking...	16 Aug, 2012
1706	http://lnkd.in/ZiY5hs Ferenc - Thanks for asking me to be more specific. I do often try to be more specific, but am still looking for...	16 Aug, 2012
1705	http://lnkd.in/YE2aBK Ron - ... I suppose you mean by "right where we are now" to mean something like "having everyone enjoying...	16 Aug, 2012
1704	Did "benefits of doubt" + "politically correct" become "general proof of the ridiculous?" Is liberalized theft really economic growth?	16 Aug, 2012
1703	http://lnkd.in/FNgh6J Ferenc & Thorbjoern: Doesn't the phrase "what we should do" pertain to change over time, and so to "beginning,...	15 Aug, 2012
1702	http://lnkd.in/Yuq29f Ferenc - I really liked your list of basic principles, though I might phrase some differently. I got a good laugh...	14 Aug, 2012
1701	http://lnkd.in/qgcmMB Angela - Of course, in saying "Nature's problem with us doesn't actually have to do with our social values...", I...	14 Aug, 2012
1700	In my #keynote I'll first reveal where we'll get the 8 more earths of natural resources needed to grow the economy for the next 100 years.	14 Aug, 2012
1699	http://lnkd.in/h4ZVt9 Angela & T.A. - Well, I don't know everything, but I'm one of those scientists, giving out lots of very solid...	13 Aug, 2012
1698	http://lnkd.in/UDG4dt What if all agree on the ideology to have, but nature still doesn't seem to respond? (i.e. the original problem of...	13 Aug, 2012
1697	http://lnkd.in/4jrEer OK, but then when you look at the history of how we got here, it usually doesn't tell people what to do, but to...	13 Aug, 2012
1696	http://lnkd.in/aqkmKQ fyi - I updated my graph showing why the "trickle down" effect ended causing extreme inequality to develop....	12 Aug, 2012
1695	http://lnkd.in/afFdmD Duane - To be able to identify memes as natural phenomena, and find the context and the network giving them...	12 Aug, 2012
1694	http://lnkd.in/QrRBkH John - There's a another way to avoid the main problems with: "Theories are a system with elements that model a...	12 Aug, 2012
1693	http://lnkd.in/6RnbP9 Neil - That's essentially the same point I've been trying to make for some time, applied to the overreach of...	12 Aug, 2012
1692	http://lnkd.in/w3pNNn Lewis - I wasn't saying it was limits of our logic that serve to lead us to misrepresent nature, but our failure to...	10 Aug, 2012
1691	http://lnkd.in/CDiqge David – I would interpret your saying that “this virtual dimension is as real as the actual”, to mean just as real...	10 Aug, 2012
1690	http://lnkd.in/reFdii Harlan - Maybe I should have said "one dimensional" rather than "2D", to describe how much "flatter" the complexity...	10 Aug, 2012
1689	http://lnkd.in/iU9Y-N Lewis - I do realize that the scientists studying chaos theory do generally think it's a reasonable general mode of...	10 Aug, 2012
1688	http://lnkd.in/4rTerZ All - I think it's also important to look at “systems thinking” and “complexity and chaos theory” as quite...	9 Aug, 2012
1687	http://lnkd.in/wqKV4K Lewis - I think you make a good point, but perhaps it again points to the limited ability of logic to define any...	9 Aug, 2012
1686	http://lnkd.in/KNAF5S Bill – Thanks so much for your interest. I too have time demands and meetings to prepare for and recover from,...	9 Aug, 2012
1685	http://lnkd.in/6jsZn5 Jack – The relation to my work of things like the agile and flexible computing grids the UK physicists are building...	9 Aug, 2012
1684	http://lnkd.in/iicU2W Jack & Fabian – It might sound a bit odd, but I don’t see why someone couldn’t develop a connection between jazz...	9 Aug, 2012
1683	http://lnkd.in/YhBqf2 David - That's so nice to hear, that focus on "ways to let the phenomena of nature simply speak directly for...	9 Aug, 2012
1682	http://lnkd.in/k6XZT3 David - I looked at your paper on Complexity and Philosophy and briefly scanned things on the web for Gille...	7 Aug, 2012
1681	http://lnkd.in/TuwC2V Lewis - sorry if the "main problem" reference wasn't clear. I've also mentioned it on other threads and sometimes...	7 Aug, 2012
1680	http://lnkd.in/gFK4HY David - The observations to make are of where nature is building new ways of "connecting the dots", so you locate...	7 Aug, 2012
1679	http://lnkd.in/P7fEwT David - The observations to make are of where nature is building new ways of "connecting the dots", so you locate...	7 Aug, 2012
1678	http://lnkd.in/p-ZHuR John, You say "we currently don't capture these undefinable, difficult to measure assets or asset analogs. I don't...	7 Aug, 2012
1677	http://lnkd.in/YNC5GP Lewis – If you look at how nature does it, she’s somehow completely avoiding your principle, stated as: “I don't...	6 Aug, 2012
1676	http://lnkd.in/dKX6XE John, Sorry, I figured readers would understand what I was talking about, a bad assumption much of the time, even...	6 Aug, 2012
1675	http://lnkd.in/asiSHK Lewis – Yes, that’s another excellent way to say it, “at some level, the way to fix a system is not to address the...	6 Aug, 2012
1674	http://lnkd.in/ukc72T Walter, Oh I'd agree that the conscious mind does not constrain the subconscious mind. What I meant to say was...	6 Aug, 2012
1673	http://lnkd.in/NaqzxY Harlan, In calling ST and SD as 2 dimensional, I was thinking about the diagrams that people think of to explain...	6 Aug, 2012
1672	http://lnkd.in/wB-ivg Is it getting through that raising the main physical problem we face just stimulates people to talk about something...	6 Aug, 2012
1671	@richardheinberg "Mr Daly, It's great you're now focusing on whole system profitability. The earliest strong…" http://disq.us/8bd0me	6 Aug, 2012
1670	In reality it's what we're succeeding at that's responsible for our failures, maintaining comfort depleting the earth and games of finance.	6 Aug, 2012
1669	Our economic failure shows in politics, with the rich not trying to make money creating jobs, but buying politicians to remove regulations.	6 Aug, 2012
1668	http://lnkd.in/932Ryg John, Well, sometimes it's important to realize that you're not counting something just because you don't know...	6 Aug, 2012
1667	http://lnkd.in/-mGgQD There are two meanings to"I've never heard of a service being an asset." Services are considered as assets all the...	6 Aug, 2012
1666	http://lnkd.in/s5YrPu Walter, When we refer to the subconscious mind, all we come up with is filtered through the conscious one......	6 Aug, 2012
1665	http://lnkd.in/EMDbjg Walter, I’m not asking if you believe that our brains can generate original knowledge. I’m asking if you...	6 Aug, 2012
1664	http://lnkd.in/iuFGne Walter - That sounds coherent, for the usual "perceived reality" for the world of abstract thinking. There are...	5 Aug, 2012
1663	http://lnkd.in/NbC8GF John - Regarding your idea to finance government with a flat assets tax, and question "What unintended consequences...	5 Aug, 2012
1662	http://lnkd.in/FVK7xy Hmm... Looking for aliens seems not worth 44 minutes, unless you can suggest how it helps us look for systems that...	5 Aug, 2012
1661	http://lnkd.in/8bNyNk Walter - Ah, yes, "how can we define reality outside our minds? " is the question that first comes up when it's...	5 Aug, 2012
1660	http://lnkd.in/kcz-my Doesn't the healthcare issue provide an excellent example of our mental confusion by systems, like how it's really...	5 Aug, 2012
1659	http://lnkd.in/rxVd2b Thanks a lot Barry. It does take mulling over new ideas for research methods, to discover one's own way of using...	5 Aug, 2012
1658	http://lnkd.in/MNaB8c It's surprising to see this group seem to get to the point, with " Does anyone agree that systems thinking,...	4 Aug, 2012
1657	http://lnkd.in/YyQfPq Lewis - The question of how to interest kids in thinking critically is a perennial question for skilled teachers....	4 Aug, 2012
1656	http://lnkd.in/q9_62C neil - Well, there are indeed "wicked problems" in the area of "wicked misinformation" that the links you offered...	4 Aug, 2012
1655	Our basic cultural problem is STILL ignoring other cultures, expecting to squeeze them for our ever growing unearned incomes...	4 Aug, 2012
1654	Why do we live in a tea cup?? Cultural mavens almost show interest the relation of their culture to others.., or to the earth's...!	4 Aug, 2012
1653	http://lnkd.in/tCWXMt Lewis - If you see "the tail wagging the dogma" as a natural byproduct of people's educations falling ever further...	3 Aug, 2012
1652	http://lnkd.in/eHGvSS Bill - You're right that ST starts as an idea of how to represent real complex systems in a mental model. So,...	3 Aug, 2012
1651	http://lnkd.in/ZrD6aX Perhaps a simpler to say: The fix for the mainstream economy being overlooked is the principle, “don’t go too far”....	3 Aug, 2012
1650	http://lnkd.in/5EkJnm Perhaps a simpler way to state the fix for the mainstream economy we’re overlooking the need for is the principle,...	3 Aug, 2012
1649	http://lnkd.in/iGiRpU I think we all need to expand our thinking about what Fiona mentioned, that education is always teaching old...	3 Aug, 2012
1648	Games like "Wall Street", of multiplying speed and complexity, naturally go out of control. The physics to fix it is giving back the money.	3 Aug, 2012
1647	Yea, "Wall Street" is a gigantic game of mutual pick-pocket, that took all the money on earth. Way out is to say "Sorry" and give it back.	3 Aug, 2012
1646	http://lnkd.in/eHWr-V David - On productivity, one has to balance one's intellectual definitions for things, for our abstract worlds of...	2 Aug, 2012
1645	http://lnkd.in/WA7WMY Ron – Thanks for your interest. By “natural boundary” I mean both the boundary of a system in nature someone would...	2 Aug, 2012
1644	http://lnkd.in/aEyq4i Ken & Lewis - Isn't there a lot more variation in what people think money is or should be, than in how it's...	2 Aug, 2012
1643	http://lnkd.in/4atsFv Thorbjoern – Wouldn’t the downfall of the alternative “in the cracks” approach worry you, that by staying “in the...	2 Aug, 2012
1642	http://lnkd.in/PZXXjm David - Have you had a chance to think about how to identify the natural limits for any kind of productivity, and...	2 Aug, 2012
1641	http://lnkd.in/bYQqB7 Ron - There's an especially interesting aspect to defining the "boundary setters", that to non-participants the...	2 Aug, 2012
1640	http://lnkd.in/kgVGY8 Helene - I think we need a better way to say “positive impact” because of all the “positive impact strategies”...	2 Aug, 2012
1639	http://lnkd.in/54NMDx The real question is what causes resilient systems to become unstable, not who is destabilizing them. That misses...	2 Aug, 2012
1638	http://lnkd.in/b5942e Neil – The symptoms you mentioned do seem like signs of our general “disease”. I could add various other kinds of...	2 Aug, 2012
1637	http://lnkd.in/J5-um6 Bill & Neil – I do appreciate you listening, really! It’s a privilege. I tend to agree "something big" is in...	1 Aug, 2012
1636	http://lnkd.in/EerAiK Neil - Where natural systems thinking connects with that is observing that while universes need "space, matter and...	1 Aug, 2012
1635	http://lnkd.in/rvPE_S Bill - Thanks so much for the compliment. If you think of nature as exemplifying the features of openness it's...	1 Aug, 2012
1634	http://lnkd.in/meX26X Fred - I'm afraid we look at the world differently. Your assertions are basically fine when considering the world...	1 Aug, 2012
1633	http://lnkd.in/BUSDxD Neil - Yes I saw some animation of a crank growing in scale. I noticed the "free scale" design of it. I didn’t...	31 Jul, 2012
1632	http://lnkd.in/i-yJt9 Gene - Another take off point from how you raise the question is the statement of some frustration it includes, I...	31 Jul, 2012
1631	http://lnkd.in/ZdMgpR Neil – The networked “mind map” tool ‘Nibipedia’ seems interesting, for connecting the networks of your own...	31 Jul, 2012
1630	http://lnkd.in/FCHYi2 Ron - You're speaking of the whole world of industries and professionally operated business, financial and...	30 Jul, 2012
1629	http://lnkd.in/TMZvie David - You're right, I didn't really appreciate your intended use of productivity to discuss systems thinking...	30 Jul, 2012
1628	http://lnkd.in/bfKBPT Jack, there's nothing to discuss. I'm an actual scientist, you know. You can't bullshit me.	30 Jul, 2012
1627	http://lnkd.in/yKWqBc Dennis & Fred - What seems amazing to not find discussed in books about societal change is how our standard model...	30 Jul, 2012
1626	http://lnkd.in/4BkxDh Ron - A quite important part of the systems science, discussed in that article, is that there needs to be a new...	30 Jul, 2012
1625	http://lnkd.in/kDZ6Bi David - on the fine points of productivity, you should look at how increasing productivity also naturally becomes...	30 Jul, 2012
1624	http://lnkd.in/zqdK7G Jack - I was just honestly responding to your series of statements beginning with "+ Global warming? Has happened...	30 Jul, 2012
1623	http://lnkd.in/FU8D9F Jack - What's with this wave of comments going off the deep end here? If reality is just a theory, can't a...	29 Jul, 2012
1622	http://lnkd.in/qe7ezV E.L. - Education is a decision too, isn't it? I still don't get what you're saying. Why would you not take an...	29 Jul, 2012
1621	http://lnkd.in/jJAs8S E.L. - So if community recognition that our rules for money need to change to allow our collective desire to keep...	29 Jul, 2012
1620	http://lnkd.in/J9m2vW E.L. - Wouldn't it be better for social networks to spread the idea that it's insulting to have to live in an...	28 Jul, 2012
1619	http://lnkd.in/pF9XaB Well, there IS a distinction between getting the scale of effects right and being precise about mistaken scales of...	28 Jul, 2012
1618	http://lnkd.in/6QfVX5 E.L. - What I'm hearing is an idea that voluntary conservation by individuals will spread to voluntary...	28 Jul, 2012
1617	http://lnkd.in/tjxb5t Bob, you don't use science, but "seems", to determine the behavior of you want everyone else to respond to. That...	28 Jul, 2012
1616	http://lnkd.in/fz42Uf E.L. – I’d agree to the general idea that setting targets for things can be a lot of wild guesswork, and a waste...	28 Jul, 2012
1615	http://lnkd.in/e26_ff Dennis - "...people everywhere will scratch and fight for change and growth until their governments provide them at...	28 Jul, 2012
1614	http://lnkd.in/aA2ZmU Stuart - I like that, that trying to figure things out can keep you from watching for what you need to notice....	28 Jul, 2012
1613	http://lnkd.in/h9G_N2 Bob - In feedback systems cause and effect often amplify each other. They commonly produce "runaway change" that...	28 Jul, 2012
1612	http://lnkd.in/v3tHua Landis - Yes I think you're right, "There is no principle of conservation of complexity [or organization and...	28 Jul, 2012
1611	http://lnkd.in/9X2j3c Jack - Thanks very much for the compliment, about my being effective in bringing out a discussable "wicked problem"...	27 Jul, 2012
1610	http://lnkd.in/mcjVqu It seems the conversation is not yet factoring in the physical evidence the world economy hit effective "peak...	27 Jul, 2012
1609	http://lnkd.in/buRadU Jack - Thanks for mentioning IBIS and the link to Robert Rosen. I don't see the relationship yet, but maybe the...	27 Jul, 2012
1608	http://lnkd.in/PQrqBV Bill - I agree the tendency in science and in systems thinking is to portray mental systems of thinking as bringing...	27 Jul, 2012
1607	http://lnkd.in/KEi_eK Fabian - Actually I'm suggesting that these are questions that expose a new problem, and lead to a quite well...	26 Jul, 2012
1606	http://lnkd.in/j3kqxF Fabian - Well, that would be studying models for mathematical rules, not natural systems, wouldn't it? To study...	26 Jul, 2012
1605	http://lnkd.in/8fRPaJ Ron, I guess I was trying to be funny, perhaps inappropriately, and could have been more sympathetic if what you...	26 Jul, 2012
1604	http://lnkd.in/VHXFTP Ron - Well, yes, a matter of not being "so shocked, shocked, shocked..." that surprisingly new things come up, from...	26 Jul, 2012
1603	http://lnkd.in/R_UM2C There are a few problems I'm trying to raise with this. One is the scientific difficulty of studying things you...	26 Jul, 2012
1602	Could we study systems that invent their own theories?: http://lnkd.in/6Xmtim	26 Jul, 2012
1601	http://lnkd.in/EUf4_A E.L. – I’m certainly in favor of taking an “all options” approach, so long as it’s not the special “all options”...	25 Jul, 2012
1600	http://lnkd.in/6q-ANH Dr. van Wyk – You say, and I agree in general, “The move then needs be from reductionistic thinking to holistic...	25 Jul, 2012
1599	http://lnkd.in/nD5g4U Dr. van Wyk - I regretted mentioning that critical U-tube piece on Smuts, in the casual way I did, and not...	25 Jul, 2012
1598	http://lnkd.in/EhB88n E.L. - Oh... I don't really want to get too specific, because it would mean airing the dirty laundry of people I'm...	24 Jul, 2012
1597	http://lnkd.in/F582jS John, No doubt current common interpretation of "fiduciary duty" is to completely detach “making of money” from...	24 Jul, 2012
1596	http://lnkd.in/Hve7WB E.L. - Well, there are both sides to the organization of ecologies. There is how their parts work by themselves,...	24 Jul, 2012
1595	http://lnkd.in/jss2Ba E.L. - I quite sympathize with your "I have a penchant for the bottom-up structures. -down structures invariably...	24 Jul, 2012
1594	http://lnkd.in/vVaKVg E.L. - I quite sympathize with your "I have a penchant for the bottom-up structures. -down structures invariably...	24 Jul, 2012
1593	http://lnkd.in/YNZ4Zp Barry, I think my approach effectively serves to "implement a world that would not violate Luc's Law." It's to...	24 Jul, 2012
1592	http://lnkd.in/UEez8w E.L. - Just to see if you got your answer, to your asking: "But this leads me back to the same question I keep...	23 Jul, 2012
1591	http://lnkd.in/66XvsY E.L. - Just to see if you got your answer, to your asking: "But this leads me back to the same question I keep...	23 Jul, 2012
1590	http://lnkd.in/eKhntV E.L. - I your post this AM where you say "I was simply responding to Jessie's outline, wherein she states, "Then...	23 Jul, 2012
1589	http://lnkd.in/tyCTMt John - You asked if a fiduciary managed the investments of others in a reliable wealth producing strategy, until...	23 Jul, 2012
1588	http://lnkd.in/nQecBW E.L - You don't need any persuasion to convince me that unless people learn that they live in a physical world and...	23 Jul, 2012
1587	http://lnkd.in/3MTy7v T.A. – You say "It is only Industrial Humans that have alienated themselves from nature." I do love many of the...	23 Jul, 2012
1586	http://lnkd.in/zjY4Ts Helene - Why this thread does not seem to have established common objectives is certainly an interesting question....	23 Jul, 2012
1585	http://lnkd.in/adwGmx Helene – Hmm… you say in response to my saying “negative externalities ..largely come from over extending positive...	21 Jul, 2012
1584	http://lnkd.in/Unnv5P Helene - I'm actually not an expert in semantics, though I labor over it quite a bit. I find that what matters is...	21 Jul, 2012
1583	http://lnkd.in/QBP3E4 E.L. - You asked if "positive feedback streams will always emerge? Or that they will always be recognized as such...	21 Jul, 2012
1582	http://lnkd.in/pjHV49 Helene - Oh, sure, I totally agree on principle that we should treat “people’s treaties”, like anything else, to...	21 Jul, 2012
1581	http://lnkd.in/EA7vJh T.A. & Thorbjoern - T.A. said "This discussion will keep going nowhere as long as we do not have a clear and simple...	21 Jul, 2012
1580	http://lnkd.in/AxGv7a Thorbjoern Yea... anyone can create elaborate ways to avoid having a conversation. Just focusing on the...	20 Jul, 2012
1579	http://lnkd.in/NdCZAm E.L - Yes, it would help to think of "steering point" as referring to a potential for controlling the direction of...	20 Jul, 2012
1578	http://lnkd.in/bVdQCh Lewis -... When I said: "I don't think it's a "duhh.." moment to realize that the systems you're modeling may be...	20 Jul, 2012
1577	http://lnkd.in/wNajHq Mary - the term "treaty" isn't mine, but from the Commons Action Group's work Helene was referring to....	20 Jul, 2012
1576	http://lnkd.in/kyJey5 Thorbjoern - It's confusing for me to try responding when you start by saying "I have not made such an...	20 Jul, 2012
1575	http://lnkd.in/S-5hkP Helene - Maybe Thorbjoern's "trumpeting" thing is about promoting ideal values and ends without some path or...	20 Jul, 2012
1574	There are benefits of needing 8 earths of resources in the next century, all the new places to go, extra summers to wear my pretty clothes!	20 Jul, 2012
1573	http://lnkd.in/mEkJ87 Helene – My hesitation to contributing to Rob Wheeler’s work is his lack of response to me. I expect as for most,...	20 Jul, 2012
1572	http://lnkd.in/WYfmd4 Thorbjoern – I’m quite pleased you’re referencing practical methods of science, but the example you used for why...	20 Jul, 2012
1571	Urgent calls to "do something" bet that political will can overrule the power of money, but don't solve that problem. http://www.climatecodered.org/2012/07/post-carbon-postcard2-new-york-city.html?showComment=1342795839899#c8165815585880360526 …	20 Jul, 2012
1570	It leaves us is in a culture overloaded with critical choices, using knowledge made much more of holes than cheese. http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/02/05/is-your-map-helping-you-read-the-territory/ …	19 Jul, 2012
1569	It's also wrong to think people even see what their choices are, so much of their learning is hearsay not observation.	19 Jul, 2012
1568	It's wrong to think people make choices by their moral values, as whatever their values they mostly get overruled by their learning.	19 Jul, 2012
1567	http://lnkd.in/xh_tvh Thorbjoern - You've made general statements like "But the persistent avoidance of discussion of certain problematic...	19 Jul, 2012
1566	http://lnkd.in/2PcjeV Barry - the story of "Stafford and Georgie" who struggled over how to control an uncontrollably big institution is...	19 Jul, 2012
1565	http://lnkd.in/dmZY_v E.L. - I think observing what does steer the direction of something else is cybernetics, and doesn’t say that...	19 Jul, 2012
1564	http://lnkd.in/33r3GU Lewis -... I don't think it's a "duhh.." moment to realize that the systems you're modeling may be fundamentally...	19 Jul, 2012
1563	http://lnkd.in/ygbMd4 T.A. - OK, but for organizations to develop they need some kind of seed of organization and a fossil resource, like...	19 Jul, 2012
1562	http://lnkd.in/k7MpA6 Mary - That's a very nice description, of how commons based (neighborhood) institutions do often develop from the...	19 Jul, 2012
1561	http://lnkd.in/B9B4R9 Dr. van Wyk - That's a fascinating association, between my reference to "yielding to the whole" and the great...	19 Jul, 2012
1560	http://lnkd.in/p8p7dh I think how I get lost in discussing "the commons" as a model for reorganizing the world is that everyone has a...	19 Jul, 2012
1559	http://lnkd.in/XrDAcb T.A. - Maybe I should have said "evocative" rather than nice sounding. I'm really saying what will define the...	19 Jul, 2012
1558	Everyone gets a kind of ADHD as finance drives growth to keep multiplying its profits with our tasks, our "big fun" turning into disaster.	19 Jul, 2012
1557	Would it be better for the rich to build monuments to themselves, like the Pharaohs, and stop taking our profits? http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/07/07/astoundingly-expensive-arts-and-crafts/ …	19 Jul, 2012
1556	http://lnkd.in/SV6a5i T.A. – I think nice sounding concept statements are great for cover pages, in titles and in side bars, but the meat...	18 Jul, 2012
1555	http://lnkd.in/KxH2wb Ferenc - if you say "none of the future scenarios seem to give up the idea of economizing, which translates to...	18 Jul, 2012
1554	http://lnkd.in/EHtxat Gene - I'd offer the discipline of maintaining clear distinctions between your mental systems and the material...	18 Jul, 2012
1553	http://lnkd.in/eqp2nN E.L. & John - You were quoted by John saying "I think I agree with decentralization as a way of encouraging...	18 Jul, 2012
1552	http://lnkd.in/Y8ZEmR Barry - I love your "I "violently agree" with the point about playing with assumptions." and comment that "this...	18 Jul, 2012
1551	http://lnkd.in/zwcvdE Paul - It strikes me that many systems paradigms differ in the kind of "shapshot/video" from the environment they...	18 Jul, 2012
1550	http://lnkd.in/nXH-Ty Barry, The approach you suggest for distinguishing between mental and material systems is more or less what I've...	18 Jul, 2012
1549	http://lnkd.in/DGmbFe Ferenc - You say "if you believe in science, and the the energy laws, then clearly we are doomed anyway." seems as...	18 Jul, 2012
1548	http://lnkd.in/eJjEfZ Patrick – Well to start from the end, you say what we have in common on this thread is “We want to live another...	18 Jul, 2012
1547	http://lnkd.in/M2NDHg Ferenc – Yes, people learn from mistakes often enough, but generally not from having destroyed the environment...	18 Jul, 2012
1546	http://lnkd.in/cPMZGW Patrick - The problem Sir Ken Robinson points to is how kids are overwhelmed by our being in the “most intensely...	17 Jul, 2012
1545	http://lnkd.in/nq5Et2 T.A. & Ferenc - Another thought on Louise Diamonds 12 rules of ST. My main reason for liking it was as first I’d...	17 Jul, 2012
1544	http://lnkd.in/Qbvdsg Barry – It’s wonderful your post this AM showed my post yesterday finally got the issue straight, beginning “I find...	17 Jul, 2012
1543	http://lnkd.in/bC6Y4G Barry, Thanks so much for “I really like your point ‘just imagine the system as searching for its most efficient...	17 Jul, 2012
1542	http://lnkd.in/cCJyVt T.A. - I was applauding her principles too, in case that wasn't made clear. I was also intending to add what I...	16 Jul, 2012
1541	http://lnkd.in/ndc4mF T.A. - I'd agree Diamond's 12 rules seem helpful for a general definition of conceptual systems. They seem to...	16 Jul, 2012
1540	http://lnkd.in/_3fm_g Barry, I find distinguishing between judgments and the realities we’re judging can be very simple, though I agree...	16 Jul, 2012
1539	http://lnkd.in/ue7GEk Ferenc - you asked in general: "Why do you expect to solve the problem by discarding such an age long wisdom of...	15 Jul, 2012
1538	http://lnkd.in/NQuAp4 Karen - You said: "I think Jessie's point is on target." phrasing it as "Shouldn't the team and/or manager insure...	15 Jul, 2012
1537	Conflict at the limits = turning the job of "the rich" from "leading" to "suppressing" others struggling to become comfortable.	15 Jul, 2012
1536	The still overlooked common link http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/79194/middle-class-destroying-future#comment-137934 …	15 Jul, 2012
1535	@cafreeland -"Too big to manage" is simple "sandpile physics" Keynes also knew, and defined the one answer for http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/07/07/astoundingly-expensive-arts-and-crafts/ …	15 Jul, 2012
1534	@Robert_Scheer -"Too big to manage" is simple "sandpile physics" Keynes also knew, and defined the one answer for http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/07/07/astoundingly-expensive-arts-and-crafts/ …	15 Jul, 2012
1533	@mattmillernow -"Too big to manage" is simple "sandpile physics" Keynes also knew, and defined the one answer for http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/07/07/astoundingly-expensive-arts-and-crafts/ …	15 Jul, 2012
1532	http://lnkd.in/d5K5Qk E.L. - Well, it also takes growing up a bit for children playing games to realize that adults who are also watching...	14 Jul, 2012
1531	http://lnkd.in/B5AGCF Doug - You're right that the basic scenario painted seems ideal for representing in a systems model. I've done it...	14 Jul, 2012
1530	http://lnkd.in/mm5wm9 Hanns-Jürgen - It's fascinating that you use slightly different words to describe just the same problem I did, but...	14 Jul, 2012
1529	http://lnkd.in/vPeeB3 Hanns-Jürgen - It's fascinating that you use slightly different words to describe just the same problem I did, but...	14 Jul, 2012
1528	http://lnkd.in/5GiJnE E.L. - Not to be glib, but isn't it kind of apparent that if we're asking who's the grown up in the room, it's not...	13 Jul, 2012
1527	http://lnkd.in/Qt5J3m E.L. - It seems an equally true observation "If history has taught us nothing else, it is that no government, no...	13 Jul, 2012
1526	http://lnkd.in/Vx9TMS E.L. - I may have to agree with your "day late and dollar short" comment about your reply, if you were really...	13 Jul, 2012
1525	http://lnkd.in/HXAp7i Barry, If we can say “let’s have two realities” so our use of words for definable and indefinable subjects can be...	13 Jul, 2012
1524	http://lnkd.in/9ZHvqs Dwane & Barry My way of avoiding misjudging a system in nature is to remain curious about it as something I don't...	12 Jul, 2012
1523	http://lnkd.in/kSdwv8 There's still the possible new paradigm for steering the world I've been pointing to, that mimicking natural...	12 Jul, 2012
1522	http://lnkd.in/_TG3eU Barry - I'd differ in a basic way with saying "Naming a thing does not define a system except in the loosest...	12 Jul, 2012
1521	http://lnkd.in/v2_VAM Hanns-Jürgen - I think the basic logic of your view is sound, though not foreseeing the crisis, as a great many...	12 Jul, 2012
1520	http://lnkd.in/pdNtZQ If your way of acknowledging that every model is incomplete is to realize that nature is not following it, wouldn't...	11 Jul, 2012
1519	http://lnkd.in/u6bfPk E.L. - Thanks for asking, most people just let counter-intuitive statements go by unmentioned. I’m talking about...	11 Jul, 2012
1518	If your master plan is to "make money" replacing ever more jobs with ever fewer, ignoring the total, total job loss is expected.	11 Jul, 2012
1517	http://lnkd.in/KN2tKm Lewis - In saying "But to my mind, it (a system) does that as a patterned process...a reflex built into the system...	10 Jul, 2012
1516	http://lnkd.in/_k9Vks E.L. - Well of course I have lots of specific examples in mind, of solving problems by feeding self-reinforcing...	10 Jul, 2012
1515	http://lnkd.in/cdj5uf Why wouldn't "Requisite Variety" say something about operational manuals or contingency plans. Isn't it also about...	10 Jul, 2012
1514	http://lnkd.in/45K_vT E.L. - I don't disagree with you in the abstract, but design is about the practical. A person falling forward...	10 Jul, 2012
1513	http://lnkd.in/mUhHwv John, Yes, Russian experiments in total control had problems not unlike our great experiment with limitlessly...	10 Jul, 2012
1512	http://lnkd.in/a6cMdf E.L. - You quote me saying "it could actually be arranged to change the system to fix it permanently, so it never...	10 Jul, 2012
1511	http://lnkd.in/RcnkU9 Jack - you ask "if Nature is the third party then what are the other two? Seems to me that assets and pushers are...	10 Jul, 2012
1510	http://lnkd.in/SPpeeG John - I liked your "ST is better than not ST in most situations. But nothing guarantees results - life goes on,...	10 Jul, 2012
1509	@POPTECH - the problem of multiplying solutions is solved by turning from self to societal investment, heal the world not grow your take.	10 Jul, 2012
1508	@POPTECH - it's not just error causing multiplying solutions to collide in multiplying problems, its exceeding the resilience of all parts.	10 Jul, 2012
1507	http://lnkd.in/ZxwEgT Jack - I'm not actually intending to stretch a metaphor though it'll seem so, but to be literal, as there is an...	9 Jul, 2012
1506	http://lnkd.in/diY7by Ken - My version of "the theory determines what we observe" is "We think of the world we see in our minds as the...	9 Jul, 2012
1505	http://lnkd.in/eiV9KA Chandrashekar – "You say “It is important to highlight here "global suicide."” It’s so strange, that in the way...	9 Jul, 2012
1504	http://lnkd.in/UWY-V9 Patrick – To me the reason to study how the systems of a living environment have developed is indeed to see where...	9 Jul, 2012
1503	http://lnkd.in/-tMwPk Jack - Those ratios are definitely among the more telling as the economy's productive assets are pushed to...	9 Jul, 2012
1502	http://lnkd.in/_9bA6F E.L. – I think we’re saying the same thing, that it’s when investments in productive work don’t work, and the...	9 Jul, 2012
1501	http://lnkd.in/AThFWZ E.L. – I think we’re saying the same thing, that it’s when investments in productive work doesn’t work, and the...	9 Jul, 2012
1500	http://lnkd.in/ME-ien Kathrine - What you’re overlooking is that money is “information”. What makes it “real” is how people choose to...	9 Jul, 2012
1499	http://lnkd.in/Sq9aAa Helene - cont... If you think of the Buddhist fable about the “six blind men” and the elephant, as “six blind...	9 Jul, 2012
1498	http://lnkd.in/Qy8eJH Helene – The “adding solutions” or “multiplying solutions” till the solutions are the problem concerns the...	9 Jul, 2012
1497	http://lnkd.in/-jbVbp Helene – The “adding solutions” or “multiplying solutions” till the solutions are the problem concerns the...	9 Jul, 2012
1496	http://lnkd.in/FAaUdh Katherine - I certainly do understand your point of view, and as I said he is doing a beautiful job at the moment,...	8 Jul, 2012
1495	In a free market economy, terrible mistakes about guiding our future are caused by the popular choices made by the markets being deluded.	8 Jul, 2012
1494	Before it was the more resources we used the more we always found, now it's the more fights that always find us.	8 Jul, 2012
1493	http://lnkd.in/qd6Rcd Katherine, You mention Chris Martinson. He has really upgraded his whole approach in the past year or so, but he’s...	8 Jul, 2012
1492	http://lnkd.in/hggjtK John, You note the century long trend of increasing share of GDP for the costs of government. The Puzzle I have is...	8 Jul, 2012
1491	http://lnkd.in/2DuUNf David - I don't understand LinkedIn... I seem to see entirely different posts on my email notices than on this...	8 Jul, 2012
1490	http://lnkd.in/MeZjyb 7/8/12 P.S. - Of course... by that comment I intend no pitch for dynasty... not even as a way for us to live at...	8 Jul, 2012
1489	When growing the parts grows conflict, the biomimicry is to switch their investment strategy to doing what's profitable for the whole.	7 Jul, 2012
1488	To keep the family circle unbroken, we only need to (take leave of our senses and) keep the master's circle ever growing	7 Jul, 2012
1487	Our rule for putting ever increasing demands on ourselves and the earth made us break our toy. Now do we get so upset and smash it?	7 Jul, 2012
1486	http://lnkd.in/xCmVcZ Helene - The general principle I mentioned "So it's whatever businesses that use the term, and grow the fastest,...	7 Jul, 2012
1485	http://lnkd.in/C6wUz6 Helene – Well I think actually we may be saying much the same things, though it confused me to hear Kant would have...	7 Jul, 2012
1484	http://lnkd.in/48fUnc T.A. & Duane – You concurred on T.A.’s “A system cannot be 'judged' or 'misjudged' - that's like equating the map...	7 Jul, 2012
1483	http://lnkd.in/i426Wc I've never been quite clear what really distinguishes "right wing" from "left wing", in terms of perceptions and...	7 Jul, 2012
1482	@umairh @Calestous Right, and the general purpose of social networks is to educate themselves on dogma pleasing to everyone in the loop. ;-)	7 Jul, 2012
1481	If you take a task of stabilizing ever growing imbalances, others are ALWAYS to blame for causing your tasks collapse, but whose fault is t?	7 Jul, 2012

1480	http://lnkd.in/eAPxmT Ken & Helene - One of the problems is that statements of purpose and theoretical models are not the same thing as...	6 Jul, 2012
1479	http://lnkd.in/Zep-dy Ken - I think there's a problem with "circular economy" for correcting the "linear" use of resources, in that it...	5 Jul, 2012
1478	http://lnkd.in/wVfa_Z Nicolas - Yes, you're quite right to say its a problem "If we push something, even more if we push hard (because...	5 Jul, 2012
1477	http://lnkd.in/9AK4nu Helene - I think being unobservant is one of the root sources of negligence and denial at the same time. It comes...	5 Jul, 2012
1476	The rules for trimming our energy diet, say it's technology, when the real need is trimming money. That's the answer. http://synapse9.com/SEA	5 Jul, 2012
1475	Watch out, Do something. Like figure out what makes things multiply, and why it leads to either growing conflict or cooperation.	5 Jul, 2012
1474	A pathologically self-centered world with infantile awareness that changing the earth ever more rapidly changes the earth ever more rapidly.	5 Jul, 2012
1473	A time of naturally ever growing moral conflict, and moral compromise, for demanding endlessly growing returns from shrinking things...	5 Jul, 2012
1472	http://lnkd.in/4ekxcJ I think the distinction between analytical thinking and systems thinking as the terms are used often depend on...	5 Jul, 2012
1471	http://lnkd.in/VBdRA8 fyi - new graphic on new options re: Tainter's collapse of complex societies....	4 Jul, 2012
1470	http://lnkd.in/rM-wBU Nicolas - My use of the Valve employee plan as an example of a self-managing commons is indeed flawed a bit in that...	4 Jul, 2012
1469	http://lnkd.in/W-4VSV Jessie Henshaw • Helene & Douwe - It's long been a question whether morality had to do with intention or...	4 Jul, 2012
1468	http://lnkd.in/N59vnv Helene & Douwe - It's long been a question whether morality had to do with intention or consequences, or what. I...	4 Jul, 2012
1467	http://lnkd.in/CjRjjy fyi I added an "Evidence" paragraph to the Wikipedia entry on "Jevons' Paradox"...	4 Jul, 2012
1466	http://lnkd.in/HXiihw Nicholas - You ask "what if we just start? Like manage ourselves out of being managed or managing others" OK,...	3 Jul, 2012
1465	http://lnkd.in/pwB-gQ Helene - I've looked at the approach to studying generative processes you suggested studying, by Bonnitta Roy and...	2 Jul, 2012
1464	http://lnkd.in/i2HQDK Helene - I've looked at the approach to studying generative processes you suggested studying, by Bonnitta Roy and...	2 Jul, 2012
1463	http://lnkd.in/iSDzbf Of course it's easy to misjudge things, but it's the mind that misbehaves not the natural world. To improve the...	2 Jul, 2012
1462	http://lnkd.in/Fy65D7 Helene - you ask "What do you mean by intervention strategies, priorities and starting points?" I'm referring to...	2 Jul, 2012
1461	http://lnkd.in/M9SPvc Thorbjoern - I guess I'll have to admit that if one reduces ones observations to being one's own thoughts, and...	2 Jul, 2012
1460	For money "adding by %'s" = "multiplication"... so by doubling in scale as other things don't money takes over despite anyone's intent.	2 Jul, 2012
1459	http://lnkd.in/ApxyQh Thorbjoern - It does seem that people are often silently wondering about my work "Of course, I suspect that what...	2 Jul, 2012
1458	http://lnkd.in/FcDDjs Nicolas - yes, the first draft of Thor's framework does define a global platform. My prior comments had indicated...	2 Jul, 2012
1457	http://lnkd.in/TMZ7KE Thorbjoern - You said "the discussion format on the Commons I mentioned above, attempts to alleviate precisely some...	2 Jul, 2012
1456	http://lnkd.in/GHrAS9 Ferenc - I'm sure glad Helene seems to have some ability to understand the differences in approach we all have....	1 Jul, 2012
1455	http://lnkd.in/5wHPWJ Helene - Oh, I'd thought Ferenc's recent original complaint (though there's a list of those too! ;-) was that...	1 Jul, 2012
1454	http://lnkd.in/XmpWtt Karthikeyan - I can see from your comment how counter-intuitive my proposal seems. You said "What will be...	1 Jul, 2012
1453	Yes, adding by %'s increases the complexity and acceleration of changing directions in your tasks exponentially. http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/the-busy-trap/ …	1 Jul, 2012
1452	http://lnkd.in/2GwKvE Katherine - You observed, "I'm surprised that the discussion has not focused more on the underlying worldviews of...	1 Jul, 2012
1451	http://lnkd.in/XfUeMf Helene - Sorry if I used a "yes but" construction inappropriately. If it's important please let me know what the...	1 Jul, 2012
1450	http://lnkd.in/SSpJjv Ferenc - You commented on my suggestion that we keep a list, meant to address your complaint about issues being...	1 Jul, 2012
1449	http://lnkd.in/r9qDTt Helene, Ferenc - What about just a place to post "Critical subjects not responded to". It would need to be...	1 Jul, 2012
1448	Read The Evolutionary Daily ▸ today's top stories via @DavidHolzmer ▸ http://paper.li/HeleneFinidori/evolutionaries … - pushing the envelope... needs to rip it open.	1 Jul, 2012
1447	Money multiplies, the earth doesn't. Addition for money is by %'s, so = "multiplication", and by design takes over when other things don't.	1 Jul, 2012
1446	http://lnkd.in/2mbRHV Cont... (2) Has anyone developed a causal loop diagram and/or a dynamic model of the key issues (including...	30 Jun, 2012
1445	http://lnkd.in/VnYFWh Peter, good that you ask the direct questions. My proposals, at least, were designed to directly respond to the...	30 Jun, 2012
1444	http://lnkd.in/zGne7Y Helene & all – What keeps frustrating me is also a bit like Ferenc’s expression, that though we talk and respond at...	30 Jun, 2012
1443	Unfortunately... conservation, efficiency, sharing... all protect one thing so the economy can keep multiplying threats to all others.	30 Jun, 2012
1442	http://lnkd.in/PuJxXU Glen – Simon Sinek’s observation that real innovators “all think and act the same way, the opposite as everyone...	30 Jun, 2012
1441	http://lnkd.in/7CyJFk Barry – Of course I concur with you and Lewis, that our society is needlessly sacrificing lives by failing to give...	30 Jun, 2012
1440	http://lnkd.in/BDNS_v Barry & Gene - re: "I did want to make sure that we were not falling into saying that emotional arguments are bad...	30 Jun, 2012
1439	http://lnkd.in/h7wbpy Ferenc - I find your premise fairly lucid, "But we normally fail on the alignment of the simplest building blocks,...	30 Jun, 2012
1438	http://lnkd.in/SYqnrC T.A. - you said "so what is it that could be taken from Brett's theory - and coupled with your own - that would...	29 Jun, 2012
1437	http://lnkd.in/HW2WjA Lewis - I think it's quite hard for humans to avoid interpreting their own cultural bias as universal. Raising...	29 Jun, 2012
1436	http://lnkd.in/T7YEEm Thorbjoern - Sure, "Deontic premises are expressing moral, utilitarian, aesthetic, political ideology and similar...	28 Jun, 2012
1435	http://lnkd.in/fJ4u6N T.A. - btw, I got far enough in Brett M. Frischmann's theory "†An Economic Theory of Infrastructure and Commons...	28 Jun, 2012
1434	http://lnkd.in/DERd_N Peter Thanks very much for taking my suggestions as proposing an idea of "math with feelings". The reality isn't...	28 Jun, 2012
1433	http://lnkd.in/eUq_sK Lewis - I agree in part, but the problem with a "mathematical process ... that can attache the inferential...	28 Jun, 2012
1432	http://lnkd.in/GYzJw8 Ferenc - Your reasoning seems to equate whacky word use with physical processes... Are you really sure that's...	28 Jun, 2012
1431	http://lnkd.in/rxqMUn Lewis - I agree with your observation that an "information age" is not the only reason people have historically...	28 Jun, 2012
1430	http://lnkd.in/xqVWMb Ferenc - You're assuming that the theoretical intractability of real systems, as "an uncountable number of objects...	28 Jun, 2012
1429	http://lnkd.in/taP233 Peter & T.A. - It's amazing that the raging debates often don't pick up on the most elemental scientific...	28 Jun, 2012
1428	http://lnkd.in/53n_yN Lewis – I guess my argument isn’t that people living out their “animal spirits” in peer to peer relationships...	28 Jun, 2012
1427	http://lnkd.in/a4rtJ6 Richard, that might not be quite true, that “We only have our own perceptions of a political agenda we want to...	28 Jun, 2012
1426	http://lnkd.in/WzPJBp Lewis - If we're looking or useful ideas here, I think the one you point out that government doesn't run the...	27 Jun, 2012
1425	http://lnkd.in/gn6_NM Gene, I agree that size of government is not the relevant question. That issue seems to be just wish fulfillment,...	27 Jun, 2012
1424	http://lnkd.in/dxPfFm Lewis, I like to point out that when we eat an apple, we can't explain or define what we're physically doing at...	27 Jun, 2012
1423	http://lnkd.in/i5VZHd Well, nice US Supreme Court quote, in affirming the EPA's right to regulate CO2 yesterday, "This is how science...	27 Jun, 2012
1422	http://lnkd.in/gY5tST Well, nice US Supreme Court quote, in affirming the EPA's right to regulate CO2, "This is how science works" in a...	27 Jun, 2012
1421	http://lnkd.in/qjk3At Helene, Yes, the prior rage about "the system" came and went. The new one is far less radical (in the truth...	26 Jun, 2012
1420	http://lnkd.in/93Hgvm Barry and Gene - I accept both your points of view as far as theory is concerned. In theory we know how to do...	26 Jun, 2012
1419	http://lnkd.in/9U9e9m Helene - You responded to my "how does the protection of the commons become what everyone recognizes is everyone's...	26 Jun, 2012
1418	http://lnkd.in/rJsG8X Jessie Henshaw • Thor, It's surprisingly symmetric. I intend no "mauling" whatever. I'm just trying to present a...	26 Jun, 2012
1417	http://lnkd.in/QHHQqp Thor, It's surprisingly symmetric. I intend no "mauling" whatever. I'm just trying to present a perspective I...	26 Jun, 2012
1416	http://lnkd.in/42X7sw Helene - I totally agree with your basic statement in "Rio+20 – Tragedy of the Commons 2.0?"...	25 Jun, 2012
1415	http://lnkd.in/AT3A4p For my 2 cents on the question, Republican's are only a little worse than the Democrats in just "making up stuff"...	25 Jun, 2012
1414	http://lnkd.in/2Ssefm Thorbjorem (cont…) So, the “change of subject” I was referring to (though Lewis’s not yours) was from my speaking...	25 Jun, 2012
1413	http://lnkd.in/pWw98Q Thorbjorem, I didn’t mean to say not to consider what experts, non-experts, scientists and non-scientists have to...	25 Jun, 2012
1412	http://lnkd.in/KFKiB7 Thorbjoern - As to your first questions "none of the above" is my answer. I don't expect you to take on anyone's...	24 Jun, 2012
1411	http://lnkd.in/c6kacs Is there any report of the world bank sighting the 8 more earths we'll need to keep the economies regularly...	24 Jun, 2012
1410	http://lnkd.in/EMiq53 Thorbjoern - As to your first questions "none of the above" is my answer. I want you to be curious about it...	24 Jun, 2012
1409	@GeorgeMonbiot We still need the use of inequity to build inequity to stop being the central principle of economics! http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/06/09/what-sustainability-degrowth-tend-to-skip/ …	24 Jun, 2012
1408	http://lnkd.in/pTRZrv Mary - you say "the biggest problem is that the normal way of measuring does not even acknowledge the presence of...	24 Jun, 2012
1407	http://lnkd.in/4dzwni Lewis - It could help to notice how you restated my saying "They [scientists] tend to go direct from data to...	24 Jun, 2012
1406	http://lnkd.in/8GhCuR Why don't we address the problem that the normal way of estimating our impacts on the commons makes everyone's...	24 Jun, 2012
1405	http://lnkd.in/iBBayW Helene - But isn't there an even more remarkable aspect of what you point out, about the recognitions from...	24 Jun, 2012
1404	http://lnkd.in/zx6FPA Ferenc - You have supposed we live "in a world where the acceptance and rejection of ideas, including algorhythm...	24 Jun, 2012
1403	http://lnkd.in/Wq7N4W T.A. - yes, I was trying to describe what appeared to be his learning process. The main reason scientists tend...	22 Jun, 2012
1402	http://lnkd.in/n9KNGh ... but aren't we still left with the basic troubling questions, like why do people seem to be SO uncommunicative,...	22 Jun, 2012
1401	http://lnkd.in/Y4TiC5 T. A. - Brett Frischmann's book on Infrastructure as a Commons seems to offer a good example of the kind of...	22 Jun, 2012
1400	http://lnkd.in/3iuQqx T. A. - Brett Frischmann's book on Infrastructure as a Commons seems to offer a good example of be the kind of...	22 Jun, 2012
1399	http://lnkd.in/4vhgaH Mary & T.A. - The problem I'm pointing to is not exactly one with local currencies, per se, but that they couldn't...	22 Jun, 2012
1398	http://lnkd.in/ZifAwU Local currencies are certainly fine for serving the needs they fill. But is there a solvable problem with the...	22 Jun, 2012
1397	http://lnkd.in/CeKzxj Mary - there certainly is a problem for any currency, of someone keeping it honest. Then once you have an honest...	21 Jun, 2012
1396	http://lnkd.in/D4A3gT Mary - there certainly is a problem for any currency, of someone keeping it honest. Then once you have an honest...	21 Jun, 2012
1395	http://lnkd.in/AWNvp6 Mary - the odd thing about the "alternative currency" discussion, that I've been tracking form a few decades...	21 Jun, 2012
1394	http://lnkd.in/Y2QaM9 Thorbjoern - I certainly agree with the language question you raise, often overlooked, that "'X' being a term in...	21 Jun, 2012
1393	http://lnkd.in/R7dnQj The On The Commons Magazine article on the tasks of a commons "animateurs" seemed like a good place to mention the...	20 Jun, 2012
1392	http://lnkd.in/HqmSps I think the thing to do is to consider the discussion so far as being preliminary to acting on some part, as I...	20 Jun, 2012
1391	http://lnkd.in/vGWX6c T.A. - Unfortunately the idea of "circular economy" promoted by the MacArthur foundation you reference makes more...	20 Jun, 2012
1390	http://lnkd.in/Y_UeXW Douwe - You mention a variety of interpretations of "circular economy". My description was intended to make clear...	19 Jun, 2012
1389	http://lnkd.in/n5k_fv Fred, it's so easy for concepts to stretch and stretch till they mean the opposite of what they were founded on......	19 Jun, 2012
1388	http://lnkd.in/ntXuKg You wonder why Germany does't see the irony, of doing to Europe what Europe did to Germany, leading to WWII,...	18 Jun, 2012
1387	http://lnkd.in/y_Gkyu Nicolas – I don’t quite understand the dichotomy you draw of “positive/appreciative" v. "integrate strength-based”...	18 Jun, 2012
1386	http://lnkd.in/yaVMYm Fred, you might turn that upside down and get a more useful answer. In predicting cultural and financial disarray...	18 Jun, 2012
1385	http://lnkd.in/Nq5Tcx Dowie - Helene has also done a good bit with "circular economy" ideas. It's important to note that there are...	17 Jun, 2012
1384	http://lnkd.in/pm8kZP Thorbjoern, That's a great list of varied personal experiences of direct involvement in complex discussions. It's...	17 Jun, 2012
1383	http://lnkd.in/YfUtbJ Thorbjoern, I read enough of your draft framework to discover that you framed it as an idealization of how a world...	16 Jun, 2012
1382	http://lnkd.in/WeWPxN David - I admit it takes study of how a 500% measurement error in the world's primary measure for the environmental...	15 Jun, 2012
1381	http://lnkd.in/vAvFKR David - I guess it's a language problem. Danny Burns and I are talking about taking quite similar approaches,...	14 Jun, 2012
1380	http://lnkd.in/X9XKAp Thor - A global discourse "to ensure economic survival" is of course very different from a the kind of planned...	14 Jun, 2012
1379	http://lnkd.in/9Ta5-7 "Mono"?? Mono what? If you mean considering that natural systems have lots of individual players that one needs...	14 Jun, 2012
1378	http://lnkd.in/WMQjbE David – Well, the kind of example I was thinking of for “the value of identifying self-organizing systems" was the...	13 Jun, 2012
1377	http://lnkd.in/uzySwE David - I guess what I'm pointing out is that the methodology used is not chosen by the systems thinker who designs...	13 Jun, 2012
1376	http://lnkd.in/_kDTWW Oh, yes, I forgot the main ingredient for a successful environmental intervention, having stakeholders with a...	13 Jun, 2012
1375	http://lnkd.in/3NT5gd Helene - I think it's good to test all kinds of concepts, but not practical for a conversation group to actually...	13 Jun, 2012
1374	http://lnkd.in/AzgPPF Barry & George, The radical divergence of earned incomes and investment profits actually began in about 1970. It...	13 Jun, 2012
1373	http://lnkd.in/2kBv-E David - Regarding "Multimethodology", my suggestion was that we do a bit to collect the parts of multimethodologies...	13 Jun, 2012
1372	http://lnkd.in/2WB_xR Peter - For my financial commons proposal I'd be very glad to "(run) it through a simple-as-possible dynamic...	13 Jun, 2012
1371	Elinor Ostrom's article on what is at stake at Rio, published yesterday with the announcement of her passing: http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/green-from-the-grassroots …	13 Jun, 2012
1370	http://lnkd.in/6pad-z David - I finally had a chance to look over the John Mingers paper on "multimethodology". I certainly agree that...	12 Jun, 2012
1369	http://lnkd.in/znXV6j Nice statement Helene! ... the struggle may always be "the language" that everyone uses to define things...	12 Jun, 2012
1368	@NoeticOrg see "news of the commons" http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/06/07/the-news-of-the-commons/ … and how to vote for "circular" earn-spend economy over "spiral" lend-lend economy.	12 Jun, 2012
1367	@NoeticOrg by 6/14 Vote for "New institutions..of commons-based economic models" http://vote.riodialogues.org/?l=en	12 Jun, 2012
1366	http://lnkd.in/RcW5iW To not forget immediate business.... Helene is off with our hearts and hopes to talk in Rio about "the commons".......	12 Jun, 2012
1365	http://lnkd.in/hAH8M8 Gene, David - Well, yes, these are the problematic issues I'm referring to, that makes systems thinking, as it...	11 Jun, 2012
1364	http://lnkd.in/9xUw8U Gene - So sorry about my mysteriously giving you a new name... I seem to be a bit nutty sometimes... ;-) I'd agree...	11 Jun, 2012
1363	http://lnkd.in/ZxYdUC One thing I've noticed is that 20 years ago there was a commonly used discussion web tool that let discussions be...	11 Jun, 2012
1362	http://lnkd.in/xHNf-s Glen, Thanks for the links and offer to give access. If you could create an account for me I'd appreciate it....	11 Jun, 2012
1361	http://lnkd.in/YAFnEi Glen, Thanks for the links and offer to give access. If you could create an account for me I'd appreciate it....	11 Jun, 2012
1360	http://lnkd.in/z7dS9V Helene - Where's the "pyramid of [Thor's] framework table" that you say seemed to reflect a common approach, and...	11 Jun, 2012
1359	http://lnkd.in/wzCw6c Thor Gene, It'd be great to work out the kinks to working collaboratively on STW documents. I also don't know...	11 Jun, 2012
1358	Vote for sustaining "the commons" to work for all, topic 6 item 8, RioDialogue final vote - #Riovote #Futurewewant http://shar.es/sn0yI	10 Jun, 2012
1357	http://lnkd.in/vG8Q8Z T.A. - Yes, there's some difference between idealized "profiteering" and "profitability for an intended purpose" as...	10 Jun, 2012
1356	http://lnkd.in/wj-z2H Helene OK, I'll go over it for refinements this AM. Is it OK to 'BOLD' a key phrase in each item, to serve as it's...	10 Jun, 2012
1355	http://lnkd.in/AuRBhX Helene – I can answer some of the questions you asked. There’s beginning to be some tension between the...	9 Jun, 2012
1354	http://lnkd.in/vpyqq3 all - I note we're mostly assuming as a model for "circular economy" that it's good to promote "closed loop...	9 Jun, 2012
1353	http://lnkd.in/-TeKiy all - I think we should all remember we're consulting on Helene’s draft, aiming to support it and cover gaps, so...	9 Jun, 2012
1352	http://lnkd.in/RZxnrM all - I think we should all remember we're consulting on Helene’s draft, aiming to support it and cover gaps, so...	9 Jun, 2012
1351	http://lnkd.in/qrgfji all - I think we should all remember we're consulting on Helene’s draft, aiming to support it and cover gaps, so...	9 Jun, 2012
1350	http://lnkd.in/bTQFYn fyi, a "circular economy" is identical to a "self-regulating economy", what happens naturally if the circle of...	8 Jun, 2012
1480	http://lnkd.in/JcGJEH There's a lot of convergence here. I like most of the "nuggets", but I don't see simple illustrations of what would...	7 Jun, 2012

1348	News of "the commons" - getting the whole to work is emerging as a new paradigm of sustainability http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/06/07/the-news-of-the-commons/ Time to VOTE...	7Jun, 2012
1347	http://lnkd.in/33Feu9 Helene, I think how your said it is great, if you just compact it a bit, and change enables to enable "Enable...	7Jun, 2012
1346	http://lnkd.in/YJNXm7 Helene - Yes of course, What's most important would be a priority shortlist of coordinated actions. You might...	7 Jun, 2012
1345	http://lnkd.in/_J2b7F T.A. - Yes, the co-evolution of modern culture and technology has been noticed by lots of people. Technology is...	7 Jun, 2012
1344	http://lnkd.in/hfp25d Helene - I'm delighted you liked how I've been adding "the commons" to my way of describing how individuals...	6 Jun, 2012
1343	http://lnkd.in/Jdv2Sh T.A. - What I think complicates the meaning we get from food chain cascades is that when Odum or Abel say "that...	6 Jun, 2012
1342	http://lnkd.in/ZNMwah New article (on metrics) - 1st 3 pp's below...	5 Jun, 2012
1341	http://lnkd.in/T4yGbA New article (on metrics) - 1st 3 pp's below...	5 Jun, 2012
1340	http://lnkd.in/u_ZDsE Chandrashekar - That's a generous offer. It would be wonderful to have an observer's condensation of things. I'd...	5 Jun, 2012
1339	http://lnkd.in/CT4UCF Peter - I for one largely agree with your view of the problem, that sustainability as a word and way to sell...	5 Jun, 2012
1338	http://lnkd.in/dv9hW9 Thor -As I presented it, my idea that people will inevitably come to see the need to stop doing business with...	5 Jun, 2012
1337	http://lnkd.in/hC4g7j Thor -As I presented it, my intent of saying people will inevitably come to see the need to stop doing business...	5 Jun, 2012
1336	We got the votes: Needed: Paradigm Shift now on he agenda...http://shar.es/qD8pl See my comment at the bottom!	5 Jun, 2012
1335	http://lnkd.in/Wa72px Nicolas - There's an interesting dichotomy between thinking of "the commons" as a place and as a way of working...	4 Jun, 2012
1334	http://lnkd.in/wRCZjt David - the particular strategy of "conflict resolution" I'm pointing to with my http://RioDialogues.org proposal is...	4 Jun, 2012
1333	http://lnkd.in/WKdyJK David - the particular strategy of "conflict resolution" I'm pointing to with my http://RioDialogues.org proposal is...	4 Jun, 2012
1332	http://lnkd.in/8rN_Mp Bob, I guess I see a difference between engineers and scientists, that goes both ways. Scientists are mostly...	3 Jun, 2012
1331	http://lnkd.in/eZQd6b David - Sure, ideology is a kind of "poison" for communication, as it draws a sharp line between allowed and...	3 Jun, 2012
1330	http://lnkd.in/yvDyQc David - I think there are probably many ways to define 'the commons' as a word, and other ways to leave it...	3 Jun, 2012
1329	http://lnkd.in/Mgmziv Helene - I think the easier way to define "the commons" is as the world we live in that people don't define, i.e....	3 Jun, 2012
1328	http://lnkd.in/qWReW3 Thorbjoern - The power issues do indeed persist, as you say "any form of self-governance (in which several parties...	3 Jun, 2012
1327	http://lnkd.in/PUXR8P Helene - I think the easier way to define "the commons" is as the world we live in that people don't define, i.e....	2 Jun, 2012
1326	http://lnkd.in/ctArJR Bob - Like most of the skeptics about the integrity of science you do seem to think science is like an argument,...	2 Jun, 2012
1325	#Biomimicry link & support Biomimicry for Self-regulating Economy: A new economic paradigm, finally!https://www.riodialogues.org/node/245656	2 Jun, 2012
1324	#RioDialogues: link & support A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge, Biomimicry for Self-regulating Economy:https://www.riodialogues.org/node/245656	2 Jun, 2012
1323	@HeleneFinidori ;-)) &link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3	2 Jun, 2012
1322	@EarthSummit2012 link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3	2 Jun, 2012
1321	#RioDialogues: link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3	2 Jun, 2012
1320	@dkorten link "A new economic paradigm: The next big challenge", biomimicry for a self-regulating financial commons:http://www.stakeholderforum.org/sf/outreach/index.php/inf3day1home/102-inf3day3	2 Jun, 2012
1319	For Rio Dialogues vote on directions for Sustainable Development, like away from competing interests to "the commons" https://www.riodialogues.org/node/240649#comment-29704	1 Jun, 2012
1318	http://lnkd.in/6HZ6KM Helene - great to see the progress and spread of interest in how to make the commons the centerpiece of...	1 Jun, 2012
1317	@Earthsummit2012 A great omission from most lists of our great omissions... is ending the use of profits for ever multiplying investment.	1 Jun, 2012
1316	http://lnkd.in/eBe96D Bob - The numbers I've seen for the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere are on the order of 200-300 years, with...	1 Jun, 2012
1315	http://lnkd.in/g5DYjg Lewis - Isn't redefining the terms of metaphor and expecting it to still be valid is a bit crazy? Better to start...	1 Jun, 2012
1314	http://lnkd.in/iS9rp7 Lewis, That seems accurate as an example of fluctuating weather, but changing climate is an increasing temperature...	31 May, 2012
1313	http://lnkd.in/pzWkip Lewis - Why couldn't we easily monitor the input and output? Just simple satellite measurements seem to do it....	31 May, 2012
1312	http://lnkd.in/UhFiAK Lewis & Bob, Maybe answering Bob's question will address both, asking me: "Does your starting point for global...	30 May, 2012
1311	http://lnkd.in/kE9 _2m Lewis - Sorry, I didn't speak that way to be socially confrontational, but intellectually. Your last sentence is...	30 May, 2012
1310	http://lnkd.in/4Pvr9n lewis, Except for your inability to separate fact from fiction I guess, you're actually quite wrong about climate...	29 May, 2012
1309	http://lnkd.in/NQzbzb Lovis - As conceptual argument your approach sounds ideal, but conceptual models are always ideal. The reality...	28 May, 2012
1308	http://lnkd.in/vcm5wf Well, lots of people did. Even JM Keynes predicted the growth system he designed would meet this kind of failure...	28 May, 2012
1307	http://lnkd.in/jgCWZ9 There's a strange possibility that might give EU leaders the option to save the Euro now that we see it is clearly...	27 May, 2012
1306	http://lnkd.in/pNW3Jp Mary - You're getting my general way of thinking exactly, to find a working model in nature of the systems...	25 May, 2012
1305	C-Sections May Lead to Childhood Obesity - The Takeaway:http://bit.ly/KGKHkg - are the last days of pregnancy chemically important to life?	25 May, 2012
1304	http://lnkd.in/4qXgq8 Vladimir - You say "If you imply that it is the scientific method that you rely upon to differentiate what you call...	24 May, 2012
1303	http://lnkd.in/P2T8Tr I'd like anyone to comment on my competition entry for how to transform the economy, or ask questions for...	24 May, 2012
1302	http://lnkd.in/3kq4bW T.A. - You ask "So if we abandon the old ways of chasing 'more efficiency of extraction' and look for alternatives,...	24 May, 2012
1301	http://lnkd.in/6du7 As Regarding the growth crisis, my view is a bit on the line of Vladimir's suggestion: "Why defeat an evil empire -...	21 May, 2012
1300	http://lnkd.in/g5f_Fk Vladimir - I guess my approach would be to carefully avoid reliance on deciding what reality is, as so state it as...	21 May, 2012
1299	http://lnkd.in/ctb5k3 Mathieu - We certainly need graphic images to help explain ST, from various views, as that quote from Drucker...	20 May, 2012
1298	http://lnkd.in/zqJFb5 Mary & T.A. & Ferenc - I think a lot of "mumbojumbo" is coming from the unstudied differences between the thinking...	20 May, 2012
1297	http://lnkd.in/Cxb-Mw T.A. - You ask about my saying "Whole system study involves acknowledging that whole individual systems might...	19 May, 2012
1296	http://lnkd.in/UeScgv David - Yes the intent behind any systematic way of thinking, and the blinders people bring to the inquiry as well,...	18 May, 2012
1295	http://lnkd.in/8Yg6Zx David - Yes the intent behind any systematic way of thinking, and the blinders people bring to the inquiry as well,...	18 May, 2012
1294	http://lnkd.in/EraZXE Vladimir - You say "Given that any efficiency assessment by a person hinges on the assessment of usefulness of all...	18 May, 2012
1293	http://lnkd.in/hCtr4a It occurs to me that one of the things systems thinking may be best for is clearly defining problems that are quite...	17 May, 2012
1292	http://lnkd.in/gN8xZ4 T.A. - Yes, there is some confusion to sort out... largely caused by the way the agreements within social networks...	16 May, 2012
1291	http://lnkd.in/6xaSvR T.A. - Yes, there is some confusion to sort out... largely caused by the way the agreements within social networks...	16 May, 2012
1290	Adopt natural system principles to keep economies profitable at their limits \| Management Innovation eXchange http://shar.es/2R12T	15 May, 2012
1289	@UNEP_FI You should like my proposal to transform capitalism, by investment funds becoming endowments for the earth.http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/05/10/natural-principles-to-stay-profitable-at-limits/	14 May, 2012
1288	http://lnkd.in/jA7y_3 Mary - Capra's approach aims at bringing the economy to a stable climax as my approach also does, as necessary for...	14 May, 2012
1287	http://lnkd.in/QQXSQB David - No I'm not familiar with "ecological rationality" as a modeling concept. My usual method is to look at my...	13 May, 2012
1286	http://lnkd.in/KThUSc Lewis - Well, if you make a static model with liquid parts, that answers how to get it to flow, but does that loose...	13 May, 2012
1285	http://lnkd.in/tSjgvY I'm mystified why the biomimicry people seem as averse to "whole problem" kinds of systems thinking as the...	13 May, 2012
1284	http://lnkd.in/v-FAVZ Gene - what about ST as a continual partnership with nature, though, where the observer uses their models, not...	13 May, 2012
1283	http://lnkd.in/aqM6pV Gene - for my two cents, I'd like the general framework of discussion to include ST as including ways of getting...	13 May, 2012
1282	http://lnkd.in/aTVB7y David - The simplest "in a nut shell" description of my proposal is : "We should manage the world economy like...	13 May, 2012
1281	http://lnkd.in/SV7YBi William - I'm delighted you like my site! My approach is usually thought of as a little esoteric, I think. I...	13 May, 2012
1280	http://lnkd.in/KakYRx Tim - Examples of natural systems that develop by an explosion of energy use and new organization include 1)...	13 May, 2012
1279	http://lnkd.in/5CeWkE I honestly think the evidence is very clear that the high expectations of Rio, whether people reach an inspired...	12 May, 2012
1278	http://lnkd.in/_YP5kD Lewis - I'm glad you liked my way of describing system boundaries as "skin", to be used as something you can feel...	12 May, 2012
1277	http://lnkd.in/vtd7fb Lewis - You say "solving mathematical problems in physics is at the heart and history of all definitions of ST that...	12 May, 2012
1276	http://lnkd.in/2FHjkC Lewis - I'd certainly agree that there are systems that behave according to chaotic coupling principles. I would...	12 May, 2012
1275	http://lnkd.in/REbN_q Jack - You define a,b & c as: "Any system manifests in up to three ways. a) as concept in a human mind, also...	11 May, 2012
1274	http://lnkd.in/PvuG_z Lewis - you say "I agree that hierarchical patterns are easier to use, and not the perfect way to go, but until we...	11 May, 2012
1273	http://lnkd.in/2jZPhv Gene - That nice video you linked,...	11 May, 2012
1272	http://lnkd.in/JUEEUN Barry... I think my way of solving it should work for you. Yes there is no way of determining "objective reality",...	11 May, 2012
1271	http://lnkd.in/T4V57A Barry, Rob Couldn't we do it BOTH ways, and in discussion switch back and forth between what you call a "construct...	11 May, 2012
1270	http://lnkd.in/7GK8ZJ Jack - You recommend OpEMCSS (CAS) software for modeling and animating context-sensitive systems....	11 May, 2012
1269	It makes sustainability unsustainable, to not see money as co-constrained by physical goods and services, much the same limits!	11 May, 2012
1268	I'm going to "Green Breakfast Club Sponsorship Levels"! Who's joining? http://www.amiando.com/vi/LOGWNJL via @amiando	11 May, 2012
1267	"Green Breakfast Club" great resource for starting or advanced new green business ideas http://www.greenbreakfastclub.com/	11 May, 2012
1266	http://lnkd.in/2viEze Lewis & all - I think we need a way of being clear about the difference between ST as the study of models and as...	10 May, 2012
1265	http://lnkd.in/p69Zm6 all - David's mention of his submission to the Long Term Capitalism Challenge offered by Harvard Business Review,...	10 May, 2012
1264	http://lnkd.in/XUSghn Darius and Peter - You ask how to know what boundary identifies a system. There are different ways for doing it...	9 May, 2012
1263	http://lnkd.in/fmBVDK Geoff - You seem to be a good person to ask given your range of studies. Have studied systems as individual units...	9 May, 2012
1262	http://lnkd.in/hbcMiZ Lewis - Your suggestion that I imitate Mandelbrot in co-authoring papers with others more familiar with particular...	9 May, 2012
1261	http://lnkd.in/t9KgZn You know, the thing I've always found funny about chaos theory, is the premise that a world full of changing...	9 May, 2012
1260	http://lnkd.in/C8vQz6 Jack - It's kind of curious that even the extension of Maslow is just for bringing others to work on themselves,...	7 May, 2012
1259	http://lnkd.in/3gvPkq Barry - I hear your complaint about abstract models of systems not necessarily being useful for real problems. I...	7 May, 2012
1258	http://lnkd.in/wkwJxa David Hawk - Where I picked up Gunnar Hedlund's thinking was by being part of a group of friends in SGSR in the mid...	7 May, 2012
1257	http://lnkd.in/Cn_eFv Jack, I like what I see in the approaches of Schön, Novak & Wymore. Thanks. Wymore seems to be associated with...	6 May, 2012
1256	http://lnkd.in/b-q3te David - I'd agree that having a focus on system memory in CES is an important distinction. Some of the effect of...	5 May, 2012
1255	http://lnkd.in/QkswEu David, In relation to my "Natural Systems" view and "Total Environmental Assessment"(TEA) as a kind of action...	4 May, 2012
1254	http://lnkd.in/W95xPZ David, In relation to my "Natural Systems" view and "Total Environmental Assessment"(TEA) as a kind of action...	4 May, 2012
1253	http://lnkd.in/98R6th Jack, Thanks for the links. I am surprised I didn't first recognize Warfield on the list, of course, but glad to...	4 May, 2012
1252	http://lnkd.in/AY6qS9 Gene - That's a good question, to ask: "while I get the sense of a loop I wonder why they talk about it being in a...	4 May, 2012
1251	http://lnkd.in/_Y6wrR Jack - I'd like it if there was a common syntax for ST too. I gather that is what you're saying by asking "How...	4 May, 2012
1250	http://lnkd.in/cPzF8h One problem with "Going Solid" that really must be looked at, is a kind of pernicious environmental problem. It's...	3 May, 2012
1249	http://lnkd.in/VCHA6P What about interpreting the difference between systems dynamics and systems thinking as, SD being the study of...	3 May, 2012
1248	http://lnkd.in/4k55cZ Lewis - I'm backlogged, but from your latest post I think these are quoteable! "the need to think of it...	3 May, 2012
1247	http://lnkd.in/ZuK7h7 Helene - Bonnita and you both seem to speak of your own observations on naturally occurring creative processes. To...	2 May, 2012
1246	http://lnkd.in/bbn9B4 Jack - You asked: "Re:"...but also of differences between those and what model systems are able to faithfully...	1 May, 2012
1245	http://lnkd.in/gYVerV Ferenc - You say "we are all led in the forst with no compass at all, no sun out, no way to get out of the maze....	1 May, 2012
1244	http://lnkd.in/VE7-qZ Helene, I did, but then realized that my view, that contrasts with the popular one, would not be possible to...	1 May, 2012
1243	http://lnkd.in/4kqtji Gene & David, David said "that being the case and since I absolutely don't want the article to be a representative...	1 May, 2012
1242	http://lnkd.in/Na2BwY Lewis - There's a catch I find in saying "the inherent process is quantum based". The catch I see that QM was...	1 May, 2012
1241	http://lnkd.in/JycK76 Lewis - I'd agree, that synthetic systems seem to only exist in virtual reality. What tells me that is importantly...	1 May, 2012
1240	http://lnkd.in/hJm4mg Jessie Henshaw o Ferenc David - The examples of larger scales of systems like "a forest", that interact with other...	1 May, 2012
1239	http://lnkd.in/mk7vr5 Ferenc David - The examples of larger scales of systems like "a forest", that interact with other systems on their...	1 May, 2012
1238	http://lnkd.in/T4gGdr Jessie Henshaw o Jack - [note edit] I think that's a very good addition to what I was saying. It's not just a...	1 May, 2012
1237	http://lnkd.in/rdwHHf Jack - I think that's a very good addition to what I was saying. It's not just a problem of differences between...	1 May, 2012
1236	http://lnkd.in/Nsih4u What about the indefinable, but often evident, difference between natural physical relationships between things and...	30 Apr, 2012
1235	http://lnkd.in/eSfj82 Gene David - [note edits] I think the confusion the public experiences with either systems dynamics or systems...	30 Apr, 2012
1234	http://lnkd.in/wryiCV George Your ask "Is systems thinking almost a massage?" I'd say a lot of massaging seems to go on in human...	30 Apr, 2012
1233	http://lnkd.in/sV5PgV Gene David - I think the confusion the public experiences with either systems dynamics or systems thinking is...	30 Apr, 2012
1232	http://lnkd.in/Rrb_Wv Gene Peter - Yes, that is a very nice way to break it down, and come to the question "AND so what's the answer?"....	30 Apr, 2012
1231	http://lnkd.in/qxiZqe Ferenc - So I would agree and simplify it a bit, saying that we have a familiar syntax for language that we learned...	30 Apr, 2012
1230	http://lnkd.in/vf2ufA Ferenc - My last post responding to David says more about "self-defining" as a property of objects of nature, as...	29 Apr, 2012
1229	http://lnkd.in/xbQJFx David - I think of "system boundaries" in two ways. One is the "physical boundary" of a system. It's...	29 Apr, 2012
1228	http://lnkd.in/sZZdHr David - I keep trying to point directly to what I see as the "failures of foresight" that justify your "sense the...	29 Apr, 2012
1227	http://lnkd.in/DgNVaE David - What I described as a systemic problem, apparent in the tragedy at the Somerset Dam, does generally fit...	28 Apr, 2012
1226	http://lnkd.in/XSn8K3 Ferenc - I think in saying "In principle all search is a waste and is needed beacseu of a total disorderly state of...	28 Apr, 2012
1225	http://lnkd.in/-hCkXk T.A. - you may be right about Aristotle advancing case based learning, which would show a more practical bent than...	28 Apr, 2012
1224	http://lnkd.in/y7g2hf David - You certainly have a point about criticizing Aristotle, as his language and issues were so different that...	28 Apr, 2012
1223	http://lnkd.in/MwsMAJ Well... there's a simply tremendous amount of knowledge represented by the gaps in one's knowledge. It takes a...	28 Apr, 2012
1222	http://lnkd.in/vM6Ytr Ferenc - Well, the most common words that connect to nature are words that are defined by the self-defining object...	28 Apr, 2012
1221	http://lnkd.in/y8rQP3 David - In looking for books on Total Systems Intervention I found Robert L. Flood's books, and that he teaches at...	28 Apr, 2012
1220	http://lnkd.in/EdCjxq Darius - I was talking about behavioral knowledge, how we use highly sophisticated primitive emotional calculus for...	27 Apr, 2012
1219	http://lnkd.in/4YFN8q There seem to be a lot of off topic posts. Should this page be used to discuss need for transforming our use of...	27 Apr, 2012
1218	http://lnkd.in/z3r6pG Ferenc - Yes, there is a "great clutter" of purported forms of knowledge "knowledge representations basically...	27 Apr, 2012
1217	http://lnkd.in/fNf3mf Darius - You say "To find the common ground we have to go back in time to pre-human times. So far there has been a...	27 Apr, 2012
1216	http://lnkd.in/2b6F7z Ferenc - You seem to think of "search" as "random". That is indeed a big waste of energy for the results you get,...	27 Apr, 2012
1215	http://lnkd.in/GYheYQ David - I haven't had a chance yet to study Burns' work, but I would quite strongly agree with the need to...	27 Apr, 2012
1214	http://lnkd.in/Vw3YDr T.A. David - It seems Aristotle's use of "Phronesis, or practical wisdom, he contrasted with episteme (conceptual...	27 Apr, 2012
1213	http://lnkd.in/KSGRgq David You say "I would argue that an ecological narrative is much better. It shows how organisms start as members...	26 Apr, 2012
1212	http://lnkd.in/aXYCDZ Kamran - You say having different schools of systems thinking, with different perspectives, could be constructive,...	26 Apr, 2012
1211	http://lnkd.in/RD7_2B Jack - You asked "pls tell me the relatonship between your right foot and the concept, system, and I may be able to...	26 Apr, 2012
1210	http://lnkd.in/Wbhg5k karthikeyan and Lewis, What about using the natural language term "invasive" for describing systems that grow at...	26 Apr, 2012
1209	http://lnkd.in/y-qb3H Ferenc - I think what Helene and I are trying to do is offer a way to talk to people who usually think of their own...	26 Apr, 2012
1208	http://lnkd.in/vyMEtu Lewis - I think you're unusual in conceptualizing science as what it should be, using models to help us discuss the...	26 Apr, 2012
1207	http://lnkd.in/pgcvxp I'm surprised the difference between models, as sets of abstract of rules for numbers, and self-organizing physical...	26 Apr, 2012
1206	http://lnkd.in/hMavhb Helene, I just noticed your comment three days ago about systems having an inside and appearing as a sphere from...	26 Apr, 2012
1205	http://lnkd.in/sVYyqX Well, if models are so capable of representing open systems in nature, how come we have a world economic system...	25 Apr, 2012
1204	http://lnkd.in/BKq3TV Jack - So, when you say "it might be useful to remember that 'natural' systems are only human models of what's...	25 Apr, 2012
1203	http://lnkd.in/f7ffr9 Gene, One big thing models seem unable to do is duplicate the flowing "everywhere at once" process of continual...	25 Apr, 2012
1202	http://lnkd.in/VwBswf David - I don't understand the methods you refer to as well as some, but have done a lot of research on how to...	25 Apr, 2012
1201	http://lnkd.in/AgXYNk Helene, The more direct reason I seem to be on a campaign against efficiency is really for another reason than it...	25 Apr, 2012
1200	http://lnkd.in/mBFTtr To have much meaning, doesn't a "systems model" need to refer to, as by exemplifying, some individual or group of...	24 Apr, 2012
1199	http://lnkd.in/Qdnqsn Joe S. - I don't think you quite get my premise. I'm not saying that there is only one correct understanding of...	24 Apr, 2012
1198	http://lnkd.in/CSwcSy Over the years I've started looking more at the common omissions of the "great" thinkers, and finding that quite...	24 Apr, 2012
1197	http://lnkd.in/ApCwwS Well, for "root causes" I first look at two things, if I can trace the issue back to some origin, and then...	24 Apr, 2012
1196	http://lnkd.in/vFCT7z Lewis, it has always seemed to me that the easiest definitive way to state the length of a piece of string is 100%.	24 Apr, 2012
1195	http://lnkd.in/c-g5pr Well... Blodget does overlook that for our present circumstance Keynes actually would have called for something...	24 Apr, 2012
1194	http://lnkd.in/GuxYJ2 Sometimes considering both the "inside view" and the "outside view" of the same thing helps expose important...	24 Apr, 2012
1193	http://lnkd.in/7PaB9t John K., I'd agree that "growth is an emotive word" in how most people use it. In particular people often don't...	23 Apr, 2012
1192	http://lnkd.in/C563a8 Ferenc - You said to Helene, "Therefore I see humanity as the disease, but as we are successulf as parasites and...	23 Apr, 2012
1191	http://lnkd.in/w-r-Pp John K. - You say to Farenc "start with better questions" . I think that also requires starting with better...	23 Apr, 2012
1190	http://lnkd.in/gVrems William - Thanks so much for the support!! Still, that there might be "fundamental differences between how models...	22 Apr, 2012
1189	http://lnkd.in/9BfV8x John K. - You ask, "what are you going to monitor them with x or gamma rays?". I gather you're referring to...	22 Apr, 2012
1188	http://lnkd.in/MnMheG Helene - Yes, I do have a particular method behind what you liked, saying: "I like your idea of closely watching...	22 Apr, 2012
1187	http://lnkd.in/pWTtvs T.A. I like your quote from Sterman but question whether he quite read it himself sometimes! I've had a few...	21 Apr, 2012
1186	http://lnkd.in/MGh-pd Lewis, From what I understand about chaos theory it's about probabilities in a conceptual phase space, rather than...	20 Apr, 2012
1185	http://lnkd.in/PCmmFV John K. - Right, some models are miraculously accurate in predicting natural phenomena, but prediction still isn't...	20 Apr, 2012
1184	Like... is thinking it's OK to do evil to others so long as we profit ourselves a mark left by our domestication as slaves in ancient past?	20 Apr, 2012
1183	America would be great, if people weren't so totally misinformed. Our culture just doesn't teach us to learn by observation, just hearsay!	20 Apr, 2012
1182	http://lnkd.in/By2YG9 John K. - Why do you think systems in nature work by models? Clearly WE generally think of systems *as our...	19 Apr, 2012
1181	http://lnkd.in/U7WY8w Peter - I wish I knew how to respond more briefly, but you pose such interesting questions! I think the problem...	19 Apr, 2012
1180	http://lnkd.in/2h98U5 John - but.. is there any evidence that nature actually works by models, or is it just specially evolved...	19 Apr, 2012
1179	http://lnkd.in/zxqKnT John & Lewis - One of the added handicaps for computation as a model of nature is the natural lack of data for...	19 Apr, 2012
1178	http://lnkd.in/-qqpGt lewis The engaging question is on this thread, is the UN call for revolutionary thinking, to find an economic...	19 Apr, 2012
1177	http://lnkd.in/e4FC-w lewis Right, one of the more easily noticed differences between equations and nature is nature shows constantly...	18 Apr, 2012
1176	http://lnkd.in/uB4AYY Thorbjoern Sorry if I mixed up your view and that of the book you were reviewing... Oops! I think the moral...	18 Apr, 2012
1175	http://lnkd.in/PPg8c9 Lewis C. If what you're saying is that one's math is only as good as the question about the real world you're...	17 Apr, 2012
1174	http://lnkd.in/wqMg49 TA - For development processes you can physically change the sign of a growth rate with little physical strain,...	17 Apr, 2012
1173	http://lnkd.in/CxrWQ8 Thorbjoern You say the study consisted of "several runs based on different constellations of policy assumptions...	17 Apr, 2012
1172	http://lnkd.in/vbP-id T.A. Balasubraminian - I do like Bardi's take on it. My report on the 40th anniversary meeting (in DC on Mar 1)...	17 Apr, 2012
1171	http://lnkd.in/g38Abu Gene B - What Kuhn actually said was that learning of new paradigms occurs by new generations replacing old, rather...	17 Apr, 2012
1170	http://lnkd.in/TqRirv Peter B - Your concluding remark helps detail my view of co-existent "ways of thinking", saying: "Each approach, or...	17 Apr, 2012
1169	http://lnkd.in/w-zAb7 Barry L - But if you look at it objectively, your statement could be a candidate for the kind of socially defined...	17 Apr, 2012
1168	http://lnkd.in/3MtuTb Lewis not sure what your reference is when saying "nothing could be further from the truth" directly following my...	16 Apr, 2012
1167	http://lnkd.in/myBpm7 Gene, I proposed a systemic perspective in my above comment, that of a changing natural world with human society...	16 Apr, 2012
1166	http://lnkd.in/P3ctSN John, But we still live on the same planet, even if we see different realities. I think you realize what I'm...	16 Apr, 2012
1165	http://lnkd.in/Erq6aB To me "transcending paradigms" means somehow finding a way to violate T.S. Kuhn's observation that scientists just...	16 Apr, 2012
1164	http://lnkd.in/zed8uK Well, I understand economics too. I'm proposing that because of how we changed the planet it would be more...	16 Apr, 2012
1163	http://lnkd.in/p3yAJ7 Perhaps the "revolutionary thinking" needed would be a finite investment plan for society, rather than an ever...	16 Apr, 2012
1162	http://lnkd.in/VFfchS So I'll suggest to Aleks to look up your concept of "original systems" in you trilogy. I work from a theorem I...	16 Apr, 2012
1161	http://lnkd.in/fEZNaW So I'll suggest to Aleks to look up your concept of "original systems" in you trilogy. I work from a theorem I...	16 Apr, 2012
1160	http://lnkd.in/F3gRss Maybe you know my Slovenian friend Aleks Jackulin, a data miner and info theorist who has worked with me....	16 Apr, 2012
1159	@adolfzizek Maybe you know my Slovenian friend Aleks Jackulin, a data miner and info theorist who has worked with me.http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~jakulin/	16 Apr, 2012
1158	http://lnkd.in/G3KsEZ Well, a model help keep you from having to start from scratch all the time, like a template of good questions to...	15 Apr, 2012
1157	http://lnkd.in/yyegtY Really great that you see that. It leaves me at the perennial impasse, though, stuck in a scientific all but...	15 Apr, 2012
1156	http://lnkd.in/F_k3Jg More accurately, I studying the kinds of important things nature's systems do physically, that models (and model...	15 Apr, 2012
1155	http://lnkd.in/tishat Thanks. That's further than the great majority of theorists will go in recognizing the natural limits of theory....	15 Apr, 2012
1154	http://lnkd.in/DYreTh I'm just asking how you connect your conceptual models of relationships to the real ones in our world. I know Bohr...	13 Apr, 2012
1153	http://lnkd.in/r6GX62 Well, yes, sure. That defines your study as being one of models, and not one of the subjects of interest in...	13 Apr, 2012
1152	http://lnkd.in/fKMmDS That is... until you try to make it a mapping between a model and some subject of interest in the natural world,...	13 Apr, 2012
1151	@giyom It's in how savings are not used unless putting money in to take more out is promised, net returns vary but that drives the whole.	10 Apr, 2012
1150	Getting bigger ever faster... still the gold standard sustainability plan for post modern business, what the public wants...!	9 Apr, 2012
1149	@Adbusters - A new model of living sure to survive & enrich more than most is being a boundary spanning link between many social networks.	9 Apr, 2012
1148	Truly smashing Ausi records. In one place, the LOW recorded on day was higher than the existing RECORD HIGH for March!http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1057&message=41007115	8 Apr, 2012
1147	What to regulate and what not... an endless question.http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558748_10150658804081275_177486166274_9728204_1140150600_n.jpg	8 Apr, 2012
1146	Trees are at least a renewable resource... Computers may not be. A dependence on ever more efficient depletion of non-renewables has an end.	1 Apr, 2012
1145	Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H6bc2a	1 Apr, 2012
1144	Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H6b030	1 Apr, 2012
1143	Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/HbHwDF	1 Apr, 2012
1142	Commented on Getting a Read on the Supremes - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/H5A4Hs	1 Apr, 2012
1141	@Revkin @malekanoms - What's usually missing when people see one curve causing another is why the environment might do that now & not before	30 Mar, 2012
1140	http://lnkd.in/YidQZy There's a problem with the data collecting strategies for complex system models. None seem able to crack the...	26 Mar, 2012
1139	http://lnkd.in/Bk63qq Simple examples of self-organization like those really help. The common habit of explaining everything with...	25 Mar, 2012
1138	http://lnkd.in/kgTqxm To complement that, one should also be aware of important modeling issues not often discussed in the math texts...	23 Mar, 2012
1137	Commented on Going for Brokered? - Left, Right & Center on KCRW / Left, Right & Center - KCRW http://bit.ly/xFfLWo	18 Mar, 2012
1136	Those flurries of disruptions that seem to come from nowhere? All come from needing to rely on unreliable things we never needed to before.	13 Mar, 2012
1135	Somehow people don't get it, that its the cosmos that is on fire, and humans minds just dreaming, not the reverse.	13 Mar, 2012
1134	"No tomorrow"... a new high standard in "peak everything" films.http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theres-no-tomorrow/	13 Mar, 2012
1133	@rupertposner ..Perhaps not including all the out sourced energy used to make renewable energy and deliver out sourced goods and services..	13 Mar, 2012
1132	@Grist ...more secrets on shale gas and escalating energy price volatility http://grist.org/natural-gas/natural-born-drillers-why-shale-gas-wont-end-our-energy-woes/	12 Mar, 2012
1131	http://lnkd.in/BahcqD There's another way that rediscovering "orphaned ideas" can be seen as critical to economic recovery. There's a...	9 Mar, 2012
1130	http://lnkd.in/tqX-_3 There's another way that rediscovering "orphaned ideas" can be seen as critical to economic recovery. There's a...	9 Mar, 2012
1129	math intuitive thinkers can feel, and imagery mathematical thinkers can reason http://www.synapse9.com/signals/2012/03/08/with-endless-exploding-energy/	9 Mar, 2012
1128	@growthbusters Grantham points to resource loss to trump Buffet's denial, but wrong idea of how investors guide change.http://www.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInvestMoment-PH.pdf	2 Mar, 2012
1127	http://lnkd.in/cM25BY Dave and Domenico, As a senior architect I've found the creative challenge is discovering what the particular piece...	28 Feb, 2012
1126	http://lnkd.in/am-ZNr Yes, early insights are often lost. But moral logic aside, does any amount of "sympathy" or "empathy" remove the...	28 Feb, 2012
1125	Ethical Analysis of Disinformation Tactics: Reckless Disregard, Focus On Unknowns, Specious Claims, Front Groups. http://j.mp/ysuXtB	27 Feb, 2012
1124	Ethical Analysis of the Climate Change Disinformation Campaign: Introduction to A Series. http://j.mp/zZXagm	27 Feb, 2012
1123	http://lnkd.in/d4BEjB Well, the biggest hazard is making blind choices based on your theory, whatever it is, rather than choosing to be...	27 Feb, 2012
1122	http://lnkd.in/XHGNXm One of the troubles with innovation for finding new solutions for ones that have stopped working is how that...	26 Feb, 2012
1121	http://lnkd.in/D8dqdW Why people see growth as a magical process, as if only depending on blessings of some god or a sacred manifest or...	22 Feb, 2012

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1210	and... so, I think that seems to solve everything!	21 Feb 2012
1209	@Ethical_Corp @CapInstitute @postgrowth @shareabledesign The message is.. unethical profits multiply unethical influence, and we're silent.	21 Feb 2012
1208	We"aid" the banks, no message attached, who just use it to take ever more, multiplying our risks and their influence again. The message is?	21 Feb 2012
1207	@postgrowth @shareabledesign Ever wonder why profitable unethical behavior gains ever growing influence, and that of self-restraint doesn't? In reply to PostGrowth Institute	21 Feb 2012
1206	@postgrowth @beyondGreenUK Some day we'll find, prospering by taking control of ever more of everything else, is what others are doing too. In reply to PostGrowth Institute	20 Feb 2012
1205	lnkd.in/p_d9Am From reading the methodology it seems Tweets were linked by referring to links with the NY Times. That's possibly...	20 Feb 2012
1204	lnkd.in/vyTBX5 That graphic is great, and will help popularize this approach. It was originated by Barabasi, who I'm sure gets...	20 Feb 2012
1203	When investors just skim profits to multiply good bets, they're not investing in anything, but picking the pockets of a compliant world.	20 Feb 2012
1202	True investors don't take the world's profits to multiply their own, but spend their returns to support, not tax, what they care about.	20 Feb 2012
1201	It's confusing at first but then helps, how all "rules of life" and "laws of science" are made local, to the system of nature they're in.	20 Feb 2012
1200	Building things up is a solution till you get to where they fall over, when reality becomes as unstable as our information often is anyway.	20 Feb 2012
1199	@donmacca If it's not a lack of hard work, but increasing resistance from the earth, it's the greedy needing "Om" to find peace another way. In reply to Donnie Maclurcan	20 Feb 2012
1198	It's NOT a lack of hard work, by anyone. It's increasing resistance from the earth. More hard work doesn't solve, just makes worse.	20 Feb 2012
1197	So, is that how this works, everyone gets to live their own fantasy life while our world dies? Society is clearly fiddling while Rome burns.	19 Feb 2012
1196	What America truly wants is "Clean horsepower, that burns up the road". Is that scale of detachment the scale of loss ahead, 80% or so??	19 Feb 2012
1195	If we don't use our creativity to reinvent the idea of profit, it's as certain as gravity that what we've been building won't survive.	19 Feb 2012
1194	What nature actually likes is not our social values, but a growing process of building things that turns to preserving what was built.	19 Feb 2012
1193	That investor choice, to preserve the whole rather than enrich themselves, actually ends up being more profitable, why nature likes it.	19 Feb 2012
1192	Where growth doesn't end in tragedy it's using profit to look for growing profit that turns to preserving the whole, an investor choice.	19 Feb 2012
1191	On any planet, for any species, searching for profit that multiplies profit brings wealth to all with a high risk of impoverishing all.	19 Feb 2012
1190	@ecomagination The best way to waste good ideas is to multiply them till your environment fails. - mankind's most ancient misconception - In reply to ecomagination	19 Feb 2012
1189	@giyom Of course, growth to a tragic end isn't from all bets remaining positive, but people finding positive bets to multiply till all fail. In reply to Guillaume Lebleu	19 Feb 2012
1188	Exactly how we bet on the earth being infinite is investing for ever growing profits, a formula for cancers that ends in killing their host.	18 Feb 2012
1187	@Revkin The one tsunami the #AAASmtg doesn't explore, though, is our own ever growing wave of investment in the earth being infinite. In reply to Andy Revkin	18 Feb 2012
1186	@giyom What seems to break any trusted currency is giving people what they want, a guarantee of sure bets so their savings can multiply. In reply to Guillaume Lebleu	18 Feb 2012
1185	@thinkprogress Yes, stimulus worked again to restore our growing depletion of the earth, a 10,000 year track record of great success!! ;-) In reply to ThinkProgress	18 Feb 2012
1184	It's harder to find out what it is that allows our whole society to so peacefully sleep through our exhaustion of the earth.	18 Feb 2012
1183	Tragic, but it's being "innovative" that has us sustaining our increasing rate of resource depletion, thinking we're creating resources...	18 Feb 2012
1182	@nelderini @postcarbon What's new on "peak everything" is why the economy hits it as a whole, with internal conflict.synapse9.com/pub/ASustInves… In reply to Chris Nelder	18 Feb 2012
1181	The Greeks made mistakes but are being screwed, too. All lose bigger if bond holders don't spend their profits instead of taking ever more.	18 Feb 2012
1180	@thinkprogress Why investors were taxed less than labor was that multiplying investment in consuming the planet once seemed very productive. In reply to ThinkProgress	18 Feb 2012
1179	What to do if you just don't want to support the "plant your seed to multiply seed till our host dies" lifestyle, we use for prosperity?	18 Feb 2012
1178	@thetakeaway Why is it the Catholic church saying it can impose it's religious law, as if Sharia, on its employees? Are they confused?	17 Feb 2012
1177	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute Yes, exactly. The motive for "big money" is how profit taking to take more is itself becoming unprofitable. In reply to Helene Finidori	17 Feb 2012
1176	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute Most investors confuse it as taking profits from one thing, to then take ever more from something else...!	17 Feb 2012
1175	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute To be viable, everything needs to make a profit, but not to multiply, and so stress any environment.	17 Feb 2012
1174	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute To correct the scaling errors of capitalism, profits aren't used to grow profits, if the earth is stressed.	17 Feb 2012
1173	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute .. I think to "scale it up" as you want, you'd add to it what corrects the scaling errors of capitalism.	17 Feb 2012
1172	@HeleneFinidori @SavoryInstitute The rub is "how can this be scaled?" is what capitalism solves, with ever scaling benefits now the problem. In reply to Helene Finidori	17 Feb 2012
1171	Isn't it odd, how "the thing in our heads" creates a whole world of its own, not seeing the inside of ANYTHING else on earth to do it? :-)	17 Feb 2012
1170	@Revkin Our thinking STILL counts "no direct evidence" as "no evidence", though clear untraced effects are ENORMOUS.synapse9.com/SEA In reply to Andy Revkin	17 Feb 2012
1169	@InvasiveNotes ...And the "invasive species" to watch is "us". SO struck by the realities we observe, caring ONLY about our beliefs. In reply to John Peter Thompson	17 Feb 2012
1168	Anyone can see our mental reality isn't nature's, but telling how when we act on our thinking but BUT DON'T EVEN WATCH NATURE'S, is SO hard!	17 Feb 2012
1167	We seek SUCH valid dreams with SUCH invalid methods, SEEING reality but, but then CONFUSING it with magical ideas in our heads, WHEN ACTING.	17 Feb 2012
1166	So much good to do, harm to correct, friendship and learning to enjoy, but we consume everything useful on earth ever faster, to serve it???	17 Feb 2012
1165	Isn't it strange?? China is furiously trying to "CATCH UP" by rapidly building out a whole economy of quite outmoded high energy technology!	16 Feb 2012
1164	It seems that natural systems created by their own growth have no internal design or behavior, but it's only quite hidden from our view,	16 Feb 2012
1163	A GLIMMER OF HOPE when even big scientific journals start to talk about reality; how changing the earth changes us.ourfiniteworld.com/2012/02/12/thr…	16 Feb 2012
1162	What goes wrong when growth ends before its limits ?synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…	16 Feb 2012
1161	Words let you say such big things, knowing nothing about them. The older and larger language of life is in "doing", 99.9% lost to words.	16 Feb 2012
1160	Gender is also one of those subjects important to an information society, about which there is still much more to "do than say" reality.	16 Feb 2012
1159	Part of how self-managing systems work inside, is to respond naturally as their plan for growth becomes unmanageable, to stop following it.	15 Feb 2012
1158	How the design we chose for our economy is like a cancer is in it's design to grow as fast as possible till it kills its host, and itself.	15 Feb 2012
1157	Having essentially no information on how the self-managing systems of nature work, we inadvertently designed our economy like a cancer.	15 Feb 2012
1156	The real error is thinking our information tells us how the world works, entirely missing how self-managing systems are organized inside.	15 Feb 2012
1155	My having SO much fun finding the errors letting us destroy the earth, doesn't make up for the isolation of having to watch it happen.	15 Feb 2012
1154	Could technology be an ever entertaining game of learning about the planet instead of like now, an ever entertaining game of burning it up?	15 Feb 2012
1153	@Revkin The "reality math" of #KXL CO2 reveals one of many, all showing outsourced energy impacts ~x4 what's measured.synapse9.com/SEA In reply to Andy Revkin	14 Feb 2012
1152	lnkd.in/s6QEVF Well, it presses the credulity of intellectuals more than informal thinkers. There's a very interesting property...	14 Feb 2012
1151	@Ethical_Corp It's a BIG ethical challenge is resist addressing traceable harms and neglect growing ones that aren't.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0… In reply to Ethical Corporation	14 Feb 2012
1150	lnkd.in/EdfiBB Would you like a real discussion of how and why our economies became designed for a different kind of planet than...	14 Feb 2012
1149	@Revkin If nature listened to our values, we'd have a different world. There's no way she can speed things up for us to slow them down tho. In reply to Andy Revkin	13 Feb 2012
1148	@Revkin Maybe my problem is most everyone speaks as if nature is a social phenomenon, as if "nature is listening" and all we need is belief. In reply to Andy Revkin	13 Feb 2012
1147	@Revkin You don't see the "green faith" in speeding up the economy to slow its growing impacts as "lost opportunity"?synapse9.com/pub/EffMultipl… In reply to Andy Revkin	13 Feb 2012
1146	@ClimateReality Check the 4x "reality math" for facts. True CO2 footprints need all the outsourced fuel uses too.synapse9.com/signals In reply to Climate Reality	13 Feb 2012
1145	Expecting growth in a shrinking world makes sense only to the senseless. It asks nature, "Oh could we please have ever growing conflict?"	13 Feb 2012
1144	@johnmsmart Found 2008 blog post, of letter to you with no address - Multilevel selection in evolution – Devo-evo?synapse9.com/signals/2008/1…	13 Feb 2012
1143	All it causes... is missing so much of what's happening, saving the earth then positively accelerates our failures.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…	13 Feb 2012
1142	"Who would care" if there was a perfectly practical way to do it, from observing natural successions, and that theory is all in our heads.	13 Feb 2012
1141	Just not studying how real processes emerge seems so much simpler. Our mental models are too simplistic and missing most of the data too!	13 Feb 2012
1140	"Scientists unconcerned" by real systems too hidden to record and too evolving to model "Sure we see them, but just study theory instead"	13 Feb 2012
1139	One proof is in how OUR systems work, guided by self-interest, misled into destroying the earth, believing nature follows our theories.	12 Feb 2012
1138	SO MUCH IS HIDDEN inside systems that work by themselves, it's unscientific to treat nature as working by our theories.synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…	12 Feb 2012
1137	@InvasiveNotes @CBSNews Well... in that odd sense, that terrorism is really intended as "people power" and we usually don't like the people. In reply to John Peter Thompson	12 Feb 2012
1136	The "reality math" says the ONLY way these big financial bailouts actually work, is for bond holders to then SPEND their restored profits.	12 Feb 2012
1135	But if all around you are people who believe the world is a creation of their own consciousness, don't you have to just agree with them?	12 Feb 2012
1134	With every business needing ever growing shares of the earth, I guess we now all agree, the ultimate good &evil are one and the same thing.	12 Feb 2012
1133	@newscientist Ohi! The blame game goes in circles. Why the Earth Summit is doomed is because of us, expecting gov & biz to stabilize growth.	11 Feb 2012
1132	@Revkin Yea, why did we not design more secure software? Is it not possible, or just not imaginable for whole nations to be so dishonest! In reply to Andy Revkin	11 Feb 2012
1131	Still confused. Why does "religious freedom" relieve religious employers of the need to protect the religious freedom of their employees?	11 Feb 2012
1130	Isn't it odd, our world choice of ever bigger and more complex solutions for still faster growing problems as our path to peace & security?	11 Feb 2012
1129	Even today, 2012, a hundred years late, almost no one sees why the earth wouldn't as infinite as ideas, with our options visibly vanishing.	11 Feb 2012
1128	@Revkin - The rub.. is productivity has been exhausting resources faster than new productivity creates them, driving a loss of opportunity.	11 Feb 2012
1127	@Revkin Well, Andy, You sound so ignorant to dismiss both #KXLand why nature dismisses politics; our ever growing need for using things up. In reply to Andy Revkin	11 Feb 2012
1126	@AAASMeetings Could “reality math” help the AAAS?? #AAASmtg synapse9.com/signals/2012/0…	11 Feb 2012
1125	Why does "reality math" matter?? People see their information as their reality. This math corrects our misinformation on the impacts of $'s.	11 Feb 2012
1124	@InvasiveNotes Do you count the "reality math", of ~8000btu/$ ??synapse9.com/SEA In reply to John Peter Thompson	11 Feb 2012
1123	The "reality math" is: "Average" impacts per $ is far more accurate than "0". synapse9.com/SEA So unreported impacts get counted.	11 Feb 2012
1122	The "reality math" is embarrassing, OK, like exposing the Maldives' growing a high carbon economy, but WHAT deserves the embarrassment here?	11 Feb 2012
1121	Avoiding "reality math", REALLY doesn't promote sustainability. All money has much closer to average impacts than zero.synapse9.com/SEA	11 Feb 2012
1120	"Finding reality" takes two ways to explain things 1) for a reality in our minds we invent and 2) another for things nature invents, not us.	10 Feb 2012
1119	Piling up money till it collapses is piling up the future we're building till it collapses too. If "just numbers", it wouldn't collapse.	10 Feb 2012
1118	We could back off a bit, to see "piling up our dreams till they collapse" as "piling up our dreams till they collapse". It's only reality.	10 Feb 2012
1117	The solutions for saving the environment have given us multiplying problems to address, somehow. Is it our dodging the real questions?	10 Feb 2012
1116	A great thing about sacred beliefs, is how unquestionable they become. Would doubting our beliefs then, give us much more reliable ones??	10 Feb 2012
1115	so are we distracted from seeing "piling up stuff till it collapses" as "piling up stuff till it collapses", by "thinking with no thinking"?	9 Feb 2012
1114	@Adbusters Well, the violence of choice is "language violence", so enthralling even those you're attacking can't stop passing it around. In reply to Adbusters Magazine	9 Feb 2012
1113	lnkd.in/h8cs9b Yes I'd generally agree, though one's choice of pejoratives is generally a kind of personal thing. Our two "main...	9 Feb 2012
1112	You can see a fragility of birth in "the wilting of the Arab Spring", not following freedom with a period of calm, for making things work.	9 Feb 2012
1111	The fragility of birth, to cut all ties with your prior source of life, while still weak, is very dangerous, and even more dangerous not to.	9 Feb 2012
1110	Our growth guidance system, as a feeble shoot, still defines using up its seed resource faster as more profitable than putting down roots.	9 Feb 2012
1109	A seedling is most vulnerable as a feeble shoot, at its limits of growth using the seed's fossil fuel, before it has taken root. Us too.	9 Feb 2012
1108	lnkd.in/EAVA7h Clif, Well, the first thing seems for "mankind to see what game it's playing", before it can tell how we’re playing...	8 Feb 2012
1107	#enoughwhat A benefit of recognizing your own limits is the freedom and security you get from not losing control of events that matter more.	8 Feb 2012
1106	#enoughwhat Enough with thinking money has no impacts, though it's plain we use it to request physical services, and we just don't see how!	8 Feb 2012
1105	#enoughwhat Enough of thinking that on a shrinking planet, taking more and more for yourself doesn't rob someone else.	8 Feb 2012
1104	#enoughwhat Enough thinking we "know it all" just because how nature organizes things leaves most observers utterly "out of the loop".	8 Feb 2012
1103	#enoughwhat Enough thinking our globally shrinking resources are "unknown" and so maybe infinite... even as their prices go ever upward..	8 Feb 2012