On a 5/14 Global Foresight thread Wolfgang Spendel had said:
Phil,
I call it Capitalism Plus. The old rules don’t work anymore. Many of multiple persuasions are in denial about the lack of utlility for business as usual. Given the load on the planet and the desire for many to improve their standard of living we have to change how we do things. Change won’t be easy, since those that have made out well by the old rules will fight change. The problem becomes even more difficult because the new rules will be written as we go (pleasant or not).
Are we going through the beginning of birthing pains or death pains. I hope and will work for birthing. Pain there will be.
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Responding today,
Wolfgang,
Would you go for “Capitalism Plus Plus” may be?? The natural systems physics points clearly to how it really could work for birthing pains, IF people were to recognize that the end of compound growth is always the beginning of maturation to be followed by “the good life” for living things of all kinds in general. We’re really confusing the beginning of something big as the end, with our stupid ignorance of things. Check it for yourself, look at any system you consider to be “alive” and ask when it’s exponential growth ended!
Humans are so absorbed by their own little self-interests they’ve mostly lost track of “nature’s stories”, her stories of development . Once you begin to ask about it it’s a rather glaring omission. People pride themselves in representing everything in nature to themselves as some feeling, image or explanation in our minds, i.e. something cognitive and cultural, and quite ignoring what it is physically to itself. The sciences, for example (physics in particular), even define our information as being physical reality for us (Copenhagen convention, etc.).
So, the extra “Plus” is for dealing with the discovery that reality is real after all!!
We’d need new rules for money, driven by recognizing what is called for at our present stage in the physical development story… One of the amazing clues to this I’ve been staring at for a while is that the physical limits of growth for economies is for every part to run into each other, and come into direct conflict all at once. That’s not good.
Economic theory doesn’t tell you that because the theory represents economies with formulas, and equations of controlled variables can’t tell you when the physical world will depart from them! Physical systems are chock full of uncontrolled variables, since nature’s systems are composed of independently learning and evolving parts. Even odder is that the reason ecology also doesn’t tell you about that is that Ecology also makes the identical mistake. It represent complex systems actually composed of independently learning parts with equations too.
So, I think “Capitalism Plus Plus” needs to include recognizing that the physical reality of natural systems is not located in our minds… It’s fairly easy to recognize them, actually, and that’s a way to begin learning what to expect from our “new dance partners” and start being responsive. They’re complex things that act as a whole, that develop by growth and maturation, and react to their environments. The all start with growth and with accumulating surpluses going to making more piles of surpluses, as our investment practices do now. Then they at that key point where they switch from growth to maturation the surpluses go to making a start-up system sustainable, making “a whole switch” of physical system purposes.
Does that in any way suggest to you the real needed scale of system change?
Phil,
see also abv. “Everyone feels it in the making”